Irrelevant; EE was "supposed" to be a realistic soap drama..., sometimes you stretch credibility. It was worth trying to stretch the bounds of realism forden's return because he was one of soap's greatest ever characters - it's not worth stretching it for a two bit Mitchell. ESPECIALLY when the soap is already in the dumps.

I can understand a producer who is overseeing a popular period, stretching realism like this and bring her back for some drama; but what is she being brought back for - to kill of what little credibility EE still has?

It's also just rational: rationally people will know someone convicted of an offense against a minor cannot live near said minor - it just screams daily mail headline.

That is very true. The whole Max thing was nasty from the start, she deliberately set out to seduce a married man with a young family because his son hadn't been keen on her having a baby and then dumped her somewhat harshly. No, that wasn't nice but it didn't justify hurting so many other people as part of her revenge. I know Max didn't have to sleep with her, he had his own mind but what about Tanya and the kids? And yet we were supposed to root for her and see her as the injured party. Then, as you say, they realised how offensive it would be to suggest that Archie's murder was a result of her bi-polar and so were at pains to point out that she was on her meds and sane at the time. In which case, it was just cold blooded murder,. Had it happened whilst he was raping her or even in the immediate (I'm talking hours) aftermath that might be different, also if she had walked in on him threatening someone else but she didn't. She just killed a man on his knees, from behind, because he had screwed up her life. But again, we are supposed to sympathise. And don't even get me started on her starting an affair with Ryan, another married man and it being 'okay' because his wife is a cow.

Those are very good points re Ronnie not being able to return to the same place as Tommy. I know it wasn't a mental institution but I'm still hoping that she would have received some help, if only Counselling, whilst inside.

I don't think Ronnie can or should return. Perhaps a couple of scenes with Roxy and Jack visiting her but that's about it.
I could never go back to somewhere after doing what she done. I guess Kat and Alfie are not in her feelings

It's unbearable. To think the Square is now just a bunch of amateurs with Shenice gone.

I think her return can only work if it's not permanent. That's what I was thinking after her exit. Plus her restraining order could be only for a certain period of time as well. She has no-one to turn to besides Roxy and maybe Jack, so it makes sense storyline wise for her to return.

I couldn't believe they went there with that storyline. And so soon after the supposed love of her life Bradley had basically commited suicide (I'm still not sure if he jumped or fell) so she could stay out of prison. What does she do? Have another affair with a married man!

It's the Slater way to have affairs upon affairs . Well, Kat and Stacey's way anyway . Both also got impregnated by men that weren't their husbands .

From what I can see that's just the world in 2013.

Hmmm, true.

Haha fair point .

It wasn't worth stretching it for any reason with Den, it was clearly an attempt to pull viewers in as Corrie was beating it constantly in the ratings following all the Richard Hillman stuff, EE seen the return as more of a last gasp attempt, yes you can state it was a of rebuilding the Watts, but it was clearly to bring back the viewers. Which it did at first until people grew aware of what was happening and that the return was silly.

Besides Den could've returned the year before around October/November when EE was still doing well and was at the tail end of its last - IMO - Golden period, when the return could instead be seen as a transistion from Slaters dominating with the big SLs to Watts being back to the main family.


Just so you know I'm against the return, more so after you've stated the inconsistencies when it comes to the law an her return.

Well Kat was encouraging her every step of the way with Ryan - the thing that made me really dislike her virtually as soon as she returned in 2010.

Maybe I live in a particularly chaste environment (though I'm pretty sure I don't) but all of my friends that have been married or is serious relationships at the time their children were conceived, do know that their husband/partner is the father.

Yeah, the same with me.

I think Dan was referring to the Jeremy Kyle chavs that you have running loose in inner-city areas . A lot of them do seem to get impregnated by men that aren't their partners .

I am just on about in general. You just have to read the headlines on some papers to get the idea of things.

Yep and usually so they don't have to work but get a house and benefits

They all had good exits imo, but Pat's for me, because I did actually cry, and I don't cry at soaps, only if a doggy dies, like Wellard.

Stacey had the most dramatic exit, but Pat's was the most powerful. I both love and hate it. It was really emotional and I'm glad they managed to get both Wicks brothers back to pay tribute. But at the same time it was so horrid to see this legend who was full of life die in such a downbeat, distressing fashion. I hated that her last words were 'I don't want to die'. With that in mind I personally wouldn't have minded all the other above listed ladies dying and Pat surviving.

Indeed. And made worse by Derek taunting her at her bedside. I don't understand why they had to put that in.
And then Pat's funeral episode became about Derek and David's feud rather than saying goodbye to Pat. They sidelined Pat in her own funeral episode .

I see where both Dan and TK are coming from but I still loved Pat's exit. Yes it was harrowingly sad but death is and it was nice to not see it made noble, heroic or pretty for a change and I adored the end of her penultimate episode, he sitting in the Vic surveying all. Knowing she was near the end as 'Good Life' played in the background. Compared to the indignity of Pauline's death, accidentally mudered, dying alone, in the snow and mourned by no-one except perhaps Dot and Ian.

I do agree that Derek (and indeed Max and Tanya's) presence in her final episode was misplaced but I guess they were trying to cement him as the new villain to beat all villains and character wise. It did make sense that he would do something so nasty.

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I just felt like Derek wasn't an important enough character in Pat's history to be given such a presence in the episode.

They don't care about history in EE 2.0.

I'm not sure I'd agree with that - Derek was an incredibly important part of Pat's back story as the person that chased David out of town and was a major cause of a 15 year estrangement. I think that they were also trying to establish the new guard which is a fairly standard soap procedure.

It was horrible though.