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Old 01-07-2013, 10:30
Mustafa_Safeer
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In the show Doctor Who people have told me that the 10th Doctor is basically the most loneliest doctor out of his 11 incarnations. The thing is why would he be lonely now i ask this because the Doctor before this also lost his people in the Time War and all of that but was still fun. (9th Doctor) especially in the episode 'Water of Mars' he really did become like the Valeyard is said to be. Why is this? why would he be so lonely and then the most recent thing that i just can understand is why is the 11th incarnation always happy after all they are the same people?
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Old 01-07-2013, 11:39
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I think it's because he lost so many companions in such a short period of time and that affected him in some way, even if none of them actually died.
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Old 01-07-2013, 15:50
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Because the writers liked beating him with the Angst Hammer every finale, holiday special, and most episodes inbetween.

Seriously though, I felt that was an aspect they played with too much, the solitude and sadness of the Doctor. Every time he felt good about something, the writers felt like they needed to take it away and rub his face in the dirt. Like a parent who buys thier kid an icecream cone, only to smack it out of thier hand after a few licks, and make them watch as it's stomped into the ground.

By the end of his run, I felt I could no longer feel sorry for him because of how often he would feel sorry for himself. I have nothing against Doctor-angst, but again I feel they used this for Ten too much, or at least made it too central of a theme to the point is where I remember Ten as "that soppy one".
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Old 01-07-2013, 17:14
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Because the show was written by emo drama queens?
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Old 01-07-2013, 17:26
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11 had it worse he was best freinds with amy and rory for 10 years. Plus he is now the widower of their daughter a woman he loved but couldnt protect or save.
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Old 01-07-2013, 17:51
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Because the writers liked beating him with the Angst Hammer every finale, holiday special, and most episodes inbetween.

Seriously though, I felt that was an aspect they played with too much, the solitude and sadness of the Doctor. Every time he felt good about something, the writers felt like they needed to take it away and rub his face in the dirt. Like a parent who buys thier kid an icecream cone, only to smack it out of thier hand after a few licks, and make them watch as it's stomped into the ground.

By the end of his run, I felt I could no longer feel sorry for him because of how often he would feel sorry for himself. I have nothing against Doctor-angst, but again I feel they used this for Ten too much, or at least made it too central of a theme to the point is where I remember Ten as "that soppy one".
Agreed. I liked where this had taken him in 'The Waters of Mars', but felt it really hampered 'The End of Time'.
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Old 01-07-2013, 20:06
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Because he lost Rose
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Old 01-07-2013, 20:20
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Because the writers liked beating him with the Angst Hammer every finale, holiday special, and most episodes inbetween.
Very unfortunate
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Old 01-07-2013, 22:54
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I don't think that Ten was ever the loneliest incarnation of the Doctor, but that the Doctor as a whole has - in the rebooted series particularly - been described as lonely, and this was commented on most often during Ten's tenure.

The Doctor has never had a constant companion, no matter how much they mean to him, they come and go. He never settles down, never stays in the one place for more than a few days, is always hitting the road. As Clara said recently, he can zap from the birth of a person to their death in seconds. Every person is a ghost to him.
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Old 02-07-2013, 00:56
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Well the thing is when did you last see the Doctor have a real good bath? I mean I ask you all that running around and being scared, he has to sweat a bit. Not to mention how little he changes his clothes. Also when did he last give the Tardis a good clean and vac?

Think the doctor needs to wash more and use deodorant at least! and have you ever seen him with more than one set of socks?
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Old 02-07-2013, 01:03
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Agreed. I liked where this had taken him in 'The Waters of Mars', but felt it really hampered 'The End of Time'.
I agree with this statement so much
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Old 02-07-2013, 01:28
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Now that I've given it some thought, I think Big Finish handled Doctor-Angst with Eight the best as far as I know (I think Eight's own series for BFA did a lot of the things RTD tried better than he did).

"To the Death" is not kind to Eight; the Earth is taken over by the Daleks and is left in a worse state than the original invasion, he's stopped from preventing it by the Monk by several years, and Tamsin, Alex and Lucie are all killed. At the of the story he's deeply affected by these, to the point where I was startled by how outwardly angry he'd been; I was actually worried he was going to strangle the Monk. If Susan hadn't been there, I don't even know if Monk's very life was safe...

In "Dark Eyes" it's made much more clear how he's been affected; It opens up with him trying to go to the end of time, to the end of everything, just so he can see if at the end off all the horrible things that have happened, something good will have come out of it. Then when Straxus shows up and turns off the TARDIS, he is hostile towards him, and by an extension the Time Lords in general, and even believes that Susan sold him out the Time Lords. At this point, he is a desperate man trying to find any shred of hope in a universe that would allow evil like the Daleks to exist, and rampant amorality like the Monk to run free. The only reason he takes the Time Lords' mission is because he's looking for that last bit of hope.

His interactions with the Daleks also do a good job at showing his hopelessness; At one point he raves on about how the Daleks kill everything; the good, the bad, the bystanders, the indifferent, and had he not been dragged back into the TARDIS by Molly, I think he would have let him kill him on the spot. Then later, they come across what seems to be a future in which the Daleks have seen the errors of their ways; they've stopped being machines of war, they've managed to heal Skaro so it's no longer an acidic wasteland by a shining city, and they've even managed to turn start turning Dalek mutants back into Kaled children.

He can't accept this though, and thinks there's something behind it meant to trick him. Yes, in the end he's right, but I can't help but think that if this had been One through Seven, or even before "To the Death" would he have thought that maybe this was a future that could be?

But the thing is, the reason why I like how Eight's troubles better dealt with than Ten's, is because there's a bit of hope in the darkness. After the encounter with the Daleks where he almost let himself get killed, he takes Molly to a beach on a planet where the water just floats in the air. The scene is so far removed from the story because of how well they're enjoying themselves; all the worries of the universe for that moment don't exist, and it's just two friends at the beach. Then at the end of the series, he's still hurting from Lucie's death, but he's more than happy to have a friend to travel with in Molly. Sure, she ends up leaving, but there's still the sense that things may get better for the Doctor.

That's the thing I didn't like about Ten's sorrow; there was never any real hope to balance things out. Every bad thing was very pronounced, every good thing was just there to be ripped away in the most painful way possible. From "Doomsday" on every personal tragedy, every loss, every negative thing in his life, hung over the Doctor like he was wearing a whale as a hat to the point where his entire personality had to be rewritten just so he could move on with his life.

I like it when things are tragic; it can be emotional, and powerful, and meaningful just as much as joy can be, but I feel there was to be a balance to things. At the end of all the terrible things, there has to be something there to make you smile, something to bring even the smallest amount of happiness. In the end, despite Eight still suffering from his losses, it still seems that he's ready to see the good life can offer him. From "Doomsday" to "The End of Time" everything about Ten's life was there for the point of making him the most miserable man in existence, who I felt focused too much on the things he lost in the past, that he really couldn't consider the things he could gain in the future.
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Old 02-07-2013, 03:01
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9 was far more "lonely" than 10 - Rose helped drag him out of his funk.

10 was extremely positive at first - he became sulky after Rose "left" but perked up again when he was with Donna (probably the most "fun" period of all the Doctor's for a very long time). His final series was very introspective but the whole of that series - basically a few "specials" was one long set-up for his regeneration - it was an extended story-arc.

Staying entirely within the fictional DW universe though - you have to remember that there reallu is only ONE Doctor and he's been around for 1,000 years - so a few years of feeling blue is about the same as you having an off day.

In the real world - it's simply that the audience changed. When the original series were on air, no self-respecting DW viewer would ever have watched Coronation St or Crossroads - the only major soaps around. It's only when Eastenders and - more importantly - Neighbours came along that soaps became regarded as mainstream entertainment for kids and teens rather than something "heavy" or only for "old women". DW's target audience since 2005 has been weaned on a diet of TV "relationships" and "emotional crisis" to the extent that NOT incuding that kitchen-sick stuff would very likely have seen DW relegated to kids TV rather than prime-time, "family drama". (I mean - look at the last three Star Wars films - they were all about a couple falling out and having a custody battle for the kids - in space.)

In other words, it's probably best to say that it's not that 9 or 10 WERE more emotional in any way - simply that we were shown more of that element of the Doctor's life than we had seen previously.


(it's interesting to use Star Trek as a comparison - because various series were being made and aired over the period that DW was off-air. You can see those evolving into soaps over that time - and you see the rise of the "miserable" characters like Worf, Kira, O'Brien, Seven etc - who all had some sad backstory and all had nightmares etc etc - in the 60's series, there were no "sad" characters. In fact, you can even see the original characters having "sad bits" grafted on in the films during the 80's and 90's - McCoy's divorce and his father's death, Spock's half-brother, Kirk's unknown son etc. If DW had been on air throughout, we'd have seen that same gradual evolution and it wouldn't been quite so noticeable as it has been.)
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