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Old 01-07-2013, 18:51
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Hi have sony amp that has a power out on the back of but the socket is a weird shape can anybody help me find a plug that fits the socket please the amp in question is the sony STR-DN1030.

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Old 01-07-2013, 19:03
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Can you post a picture of the socket?, the downloaded manual doesn't show one.

But generally such sockets are standard IEC ones.
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Old 01-07-2013, 20:07
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It probably looks something like this <=>. Apologies for the awful attempt at the shape but it's the best I can achieve without the ability to insert an image. Basically it's a flattened out hexagon. Is that what you've got?
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Old 01-07-2013, 20:08
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Yes thats the one
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Old 01-07-2013, 20:29
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This is from the Sony UK website.

http://sp.sony-europe.com/da/984/294366.jpeg

So where exactly is this socket you are talking about because I can't see one?
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Old 01-07-2013, 20:35
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its is next to the power lead on mine
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Old 01-07-2013, 20:53
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its is next to the power lead on mine
Must be a foreigner then

But I have no idea where from. Can't find any image that looks any different to that link
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Old 01-07-2013, 21:33
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I have something like this on my Teac amplifier... the flattened hexagon <==> shape.

unfortunately, none of my other teac separates have the plug to fit in to it.
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Old 01-07-2013, 22:11
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Like this?

http://www.110220volts.com/CEE-7-16-plug.html

Type C electrical AC male.

There are male/female variants.
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Old 02-07-2013, 08:50
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As others have mentioned, it sounds like a non-UK model, and probably uses the EU plugs mentioned in post #9.

However, the service manual makes no mention of such a socket either, not for any country?.
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Old 02-07-2013, 09:16
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As others have mentioned, it sounds like a non-UK model, and probably uses the EU plugs mentioned in post #9.

However, the service manual makes no mention of such a socket either, not for any country?.
Knocking about in the far reaches of my brain is a thought that such sockets were banned by the EU (or it's equivalent back then) many years ago.

I bought a PC, must be 20 years or so ago, which had a power out socket on the PSU, (to power a monitor as was common back then), with a note in the box saying the socket must not be used due to some regulation or other.

Not entirely sure if it only applied to PCs - though you'd have to ask why is a power out socket more dangerous on a PC than any other device. But maybe that explains the lack of any such socket that anybody has been able to find?

Perhaps the OP's unit is second hand and has had an "aftermarket" mod done to it?
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Old 02-07-2013, 09:51
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Knocking about in the far reaches of my brain is a thought that such sockets were banned by the EU (or it's equivalent back then) many years ago.

I bought a PC, must be 20 years or so ago, which had a power out socket on the PSU, (to power a monitor as was common back then), with a note in the box saying the socket must not be used due to some regulation or other.

Not entirely sure if it only applied to PCs - though you'd have to ask why is a power out socket more dangerous on a PC than any other device. But maybe that explains the lack of any such socket that anybody has been able to find?

Perhaps the OP's unit is second hand and has had an "aftermarket" mod done to it?
You are correct, down to the non safety shuttered design. My Denon amp has such a socket but came fitted with a blanking plate over it. I did in fact remove this to connect a Denon DVD player
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Old 02-07-2013, 10:12
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You are correct, down to the non safety shuttered design. My Denon amp has such a socket but came fitted with a blanking plate over it. I did in fact remove this to connect a Denon DVD player
Thing is most of these sockets were IEC types. Where the design of the chassis socket very closely matches the cable socket.

So it begs the question, if a chassis socket is dangerous why is the near identical cable version not also dangerous? And equally, why is it perfectly OK to sell/use IEC socketed mains distribution units

Or does logic not come into it with EU regulations
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Old 02-07-2013, 10:47
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Thing is most of these sockets were IEC types. Where the design of the chassis socket very closely matches the cable socket.

So it begs the question, if a chassis socket is dangerous why is the near identical cable version not also dangerous? And equally, why is it perfectly OK to sell/use IEC socketed mains distribution units

Or does logic not come into it with EU regulations
No requirement to fit a shuttered design to a socket that is designed to input power. You would have to physically unplug the cord to deliberately gain access to the live conductor pin. A permanently live output female socket with open access to the live terminal is entirely different.

The input socket on my Denon is a IEC two pin design. The output is a two pin socket very like a shaver socket. The shape of the plug is rectangular with a triangle grafted on each end. At one time they were common. If you download the manual for a Denon AVR4306 the connector is clearly shown on the rear view. If you can't find one I can upload a picture.

EDIT found a picture

Right hand side just under the input socket

http://www.audioenz.co.nz/2006/denon_4306.shtml
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Old 02-07-2013, 10:48
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Thing is most of these sockets were IEC types.
As far as I'm aware there's no problem with the IEC types?, but those were relatively 'recent'

Common on old equipment was American style flat two pins sockets
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Old 02-07-2013, 11:14
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As far as I'm aware there's no problem with the IEC types?, but those were relatively 'recent'

Common on old equipment was American style flat two pins sockets
IEC types recent?

Aren't these more commonly known as kettle leads?

My just replaced Denon receiver, sub and active speakers all have IEC type connections, non of which are recent/current makes/models.

Doesn't the Sony STR DA5800 have switchable AC outlets which are flat two pin types?
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Old 02-07-2013, 11:40
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IEC types recent?

Aren't these more commonly known as kettle leads?

My just replaced Denon receiver, sub and active speakers all have IEC type connections, non of which are recent/current makes/models.

Doesn't the Sony STR DA5800 have switchable AC outlets which are flat two pin types?
Kettle leads are the 3 pin variants. AV kit normally have the 2 pin variety (double insulated). Were any of the sockets mains outputs ?. There's not an issue with input sockets as shown by the amount kit that uses figure of eight two pin connectors.

This shows the Sony does, but are they blanked off when bought from a non grey import source in the UK ?

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgur...9QEwAg&dur=225
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Old 02-07-2013, 11:41
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Perhaps you missed the 'relatively', the inverted commas, and the smiley

Relatively recent if you're old!


Aren't these more commonly known as kettle leads?
Yes, but incorrectly so, kettle leads are much higher current, and have an extra 'slot' to prevent you using a standard IEC lead by mistake. You can however use a kettle lead with a standard IEC socket.


My just replaced Denon receiver, sub and active speakers all have IEC type connections, non of which are recent/current makes/models.

Doesn't the Sony STR DA5800 have switchable AC outlets which are flat two pin types?
The instruction manual doesn't show any, just a two pin IEC mains inlet.
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Old 02-07-2013, 12:12
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This shows the Sony does, but are they blanked off when bought from a non grey import source in the UK ?

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgur...9QEwAg&dur=225
Those are flat pin connectors that I'd normally associate with 110V gear from the US and Canada.

The type of connection that is on Katfish's Sony amp will use round pin 2-pronged plugs. These are European style for 220/240V.

I can't comment whether Sony segregates by European country and by product range, but they appear have pan European warranties within the consumer electronics group. This would suggest to me that cross border sales within Europe are catered for. LINK [Note: link might take a while to download. Try Save As instead]
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Old 02-07-2013, 12:55
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You are correct, down to the non safety shuttered design.
But mains sockets in Europe don't have shutters (or switches) anyway. The only protection is them being recessed as in the Shulko design or sleeved pins as on type C plugs.

Seems silly to be different on the back of amplifiers.
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Old 02-07-2013, 13:30
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But mains sockets in Europe don't have shutters (or switches) anyway. The only protection is them being recessed as in the Shulko design or sleeved pins as on type C plugs.

Seems silly to be different on the back of amplifiers.
Not silly, you can't even legally sell a item in the UK that does not have a BS1363 plug fitted (or a approved adaptor).

Even Shaver Sockets have shutters despite having an isolation transformer.
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Old 02-07-2013, 13:46
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Not silly, you can't even legally sell a item in the UK that does not have a BS1363 plug fitted (or a approved adaptor).

Even Shaver Sockets have shutters despite having an isolation transformer.
But IEC sockets don't have shutters, yet are perfectly legal - for example the afore mentioned kettle leads and also figure 8 leads.

Presumably the shutter requirement only applies above a certain pin/hole size?.
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Old 02-07-2013, 14:58
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But IEC sockets don't have shutters, yet are perfectly legal - for example the afore mentioned kettle leads and also figure 8 leads.

Presumably the shutter requirement only applies above a certain pin/hole size?.
I was referring to a outlet socket not a connector on the end of a flexible connector, which can obviously be made safe by unplugging the remote end.

This is the connector for the socket that is fitted on my Denon. There must have been some reason for the socket itself to have a blanking plate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europlug

The Denon DVD player came with a suitable cable and also a cable with a BS1363 plug.
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Old 02-07-2013, 16:51
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So I have an illegal stereo?

Surely its only dangerous if you're stupid enough to push something metal into the actual socket while the stereo is switched on?!
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Old 02-07-2013, 16:56
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So I have an illegal stereo?
I wouldn't have thought so, it's only a 'guess' by Graham based on his Denon being blanked off.

Personally I would have assumed that it was blanked off because it was sold in the UK, and we don't use those plugs here. If it was 'illegal' it wouldn't have been blanked off so it could be easily removed, it would more likely have been removed instead.


Surely its only dangerous if you're stupid enough to push something metal into the actual socket while the stereo is switched on?!
Obviously.
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