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Old 02-07-2013, 19:34
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I notice there isn't much talk of the 'Live TV' part of the new Xbox. Mainly I assume it's part of why most don't like it as it markets the Xbox as an 'entertainment' console rather than a 'gaming' console.

Personally the 'All in One' aspect of the console is ideal for me and a few others I would assume. Basically it would allow me to to free up a few HDMI slots (Blu Ray and Sky box) as well as getting shot of a few remotes that clutter up the place (Can be sorted with a Logitech Universal remote but those are a pain to program. Well the one I had was.).

The Sky/Virgin potential DVR/On Demand issue. While the Xbox One revealed a demo of how easy it was to switch channels, multi task etc from your games, movies etc I can't think how you can access your Sky recordings etc from the Xbox itself unless they make good work of the IR blaster thing.

Also is it possible that Microsoft would give you the ability to play more types of video files from DLNA/External Hard Drives? MKV/FLV files are becoming more common with media centers etc it would be cool if we could play them through this.
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Old 02-07-2013, 19:53
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The reason we aren't talking much about live TV is because we know very little about it and if it will work properly outside the US. Personally myself I hardly ever watch TV as live so currently have no interest in Xbox TV. I do hope the one will play mkv at least.
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Old 02-07-2013, 20:00
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Personally myself I hardly ever watch TV as live so currently have no interest in Xbox TV..
I rarely do either but when I do I use Sky Go on the Xbox to watch the football or something (Switching HDMI cables to watch it on my actual Sky box is a pain as it's wall mounted.). Potentially with the HDMI input I can do similar on the new Xbox but would be in better quality as I assume it won't pixelate or cut off due to a bad wireless connection as my Sky Go would possibly do.
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Old 02-07-2013, 20:35
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The idea of having my digi box run through the Xone is a neat idea in practice, flipping between TV and games with a single command. Cool.

But the reality in order to do that will be having two separate devices running at the same time (digi box and Xone) to watch TV (instead of just my digi box)

I turn my 360 off when I'm not playing games and I turn my Digi box off when I'm playing my 360. But having two devices powered up to watch one of them, not sure I want to be wasting electricity like that as I watch TV more than I game.

Yes I wont have to have the Xone and my digi box linked up so that makes all those extra gizmos and Kinect a waste.

The more I think of it the more my finger twitches over the cancel pre order button.
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Old 02-07-2013, 20:52
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A five quid automatic hdmi switch is a good solution. Damn sight cheaper, too. I got one from Amazon as I only have 2 hdmi sockets on my telly, with the switch I now have four. And I can switch between games and telly just by changing channel. Miles more sense than this live tv gimmick on the One...
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Old 02-07-2013, 20:57
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A five quid automatic hdmi switch is a good solution. Damn sight cheaper, too. I got one from Amazon as I only have 2 hdmi sockets on my telly, with the switch I now have four. And I can switch between games and telly just by changing channel. Miles more sense than this live tv gimmick on the One...
Aye, have the same, does the job fine.

I turn one device off whilst using another. With Xone it would have to be on, all the time, in order to watch my linked through Digi Box. Makes no sense running an extra device to save pressing an AV/channel buttons on the remote.

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Old 03-07-2013, 13:50
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I'm wondering if this will ever show up outside of the UK. If it does, it'll probably only end up on either a cable service or Sky for the first release. Sounds to faffy in the long run.
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Old 03-07-2013, 20:42
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It's a pointless gimmick in my opinion.

1) There's no way I'm having 2 machines powered on all day just to change channel using voice controls.

2) I have 3 kids in the house. They are noisy. I have surround sound. Which is also noisy. Twice a day someone vacuums. Which is noisy. Is the Kinect, which is going to be placed 2 meters away from where I sit going to hear me over the assorted sounds of everyday life?

3) I live in a busy household, so I watch most of my TV at night after everybody else has gone to bed. I don't think they'll appreciate me barking at the TV when they are trying to sleep.

4) Sometimes I can't decide what to watch, so I channel surf. "Xbox, channel up, Xbox, channel up, Xbox channel up, Xbox, Channel up....." is going to get real tiresome real quickly when you're skipping dozens of channels.

It just seems like they are creating ingenious solutions to problems that didn't exist in the first place.

Microsoft call it a "feature" - I call it "their way of convincing you to keep Xbox One switched on for as much time as possible, in the hope that you spend some money or keep their advertising partners happy"
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Old 03-07-2013, 21:05
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I'm wondering if this will ever show up outside of the UK. If it does, it'll probably only end up on either a cable service or Sky for the first release. Sounds to faffy in the long run.
The live TV features they demo'd are only available in the US.
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Old 04-07-2013, 18:31
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It's a pointless gimmick in my opinion.

1) There's no way I'm having 2 machines powered on all day just to change channel using voice controls.

2) I have 3 kids in the house. They are noisy. I have surround sound. Which is also noisy. Twice a day someone vacuums. Which is noisy. Is the Kinect, which is going to be placed 2 meters away from where I sit going to hear me over the assorted sounds of everyday life?

3) I live in a busy household, so I watch most of my TV at night after everybody else has gone to bed. I don't think they'll appreciate me barking at the TV when they are trying to sleep.

4) Sometimes I can't decide what to watch, so I channel surf. "Xbox, channel up, Xbox, channel up, Xbox channel up, Xbox, Channel up....." is going to get real tiresome real quickly when you're skipping dozens of channels.

It just seems like they are creating ingenious solutions to problems that didn't exist in the first place.

Microsoft call it a "feature" - I call it "their way of convincing you to keep Xbox One switched on for as much time as possible, in the hope that you spend some money or keep their advertising partners happy"
I see all your points.

Personally myself I would watch TV through it (Certainly not by Kinect as I plan to make sure that that's covered to make sure it can't hear nor see me when I don't want it to) so I wouldn't be using the voice control thing too. However an Xbox remote (Much like the one they have now) I think would be ideal in my case to control the channel switching via the Xbox.

Right enough keeping two boxes powered on to watch TV does seem power wasting and all that but my Sky box is on anyway.
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Old 04-07-2013, 18:36
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If I were interested in the XB1 I wouldn't be in the TV crap.

I don't watch live TV for a start, and secondly if you have a Sky+ box or Sky+HD box then you need to use that to set up recordings and watch them anyway. Pointless.
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Old 04-07-2013, 18:47
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If I were interested in the XB1 I wouldn't be in the TV crap.

I don't watch live TV for a start, and secondly if you have a Sky+ box or Sky+HD box then you need to use that to set up recordings and watch them anyway. Pointless.
Can you imagine trying to watch something that was on your Sky+HD box's planner using voice commands? It would be a nightmare..

Realistically, you will be able to say -

Xbox, watch Sky One HD
Xbox, pause
Xbox channel up
Xbox channel down
Xbox rewind

That's about it, I think. You will still need to have your Sky remote to hand at all times, making the whole system largely pointless

My Sky remote does pretty much everything. It controls the Sky box, the TV and my aurround sound system.

In 5 years time, when every single channel is available via IPTV, and all the functions are integrated into the Xbox One firmware, and I can put a HDD bigger than 500GB in, then it might be useful. Until then, forget it.
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Old 04-07-2013, 20:35
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Right enough keeping two boxes powered on to watch TV does seem power wasting and all that but my Sky box is on anyway.
Erm, eh? So your Sky box is on anyway so why not have another power hungry device switched on just to watch stuff that you can already watch? Makes very little sense to me...
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Old 04-07-2013, 20:51
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Erm, eh? So your Sky box is on anyway so why not have another power hungry device switched on just to watch stuff that you can already watch? Makes very little sense to me...
Well it's a pain to get my Sky HDMI cable into my TV now because my TV is on the wall bracket recently and I should have clarified better that by 'always on' Sky box it's on Standby mostly. Basically the Xbox One with the HDMI input would help a bit with this and it's not gonna harm me watching maybe two or three hours TV on the Xbox if I'm honest. Basically when I take a break for gaming I can switch easy and tune into SSN for a bit.
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Old 05-07-2013, 13:17
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If the TV tuner was built into the XBOX and I could ditch my TV box then it might have been worth a punt just to have it all in one box; but to daisy chain it just to get a voice remote and a picture in picture with a web broswer or skype isn't a feature I have ever desired to have in my life, not even now it's available.
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Old 05-07-2013, 13:57
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Well it's a pain to get my Sky HDMI cable into my TV now because my TV is on the wall bracket recently and I should have clarified better that by 'always on' Sky box it's on Standby mostly. Basically the Xbox One with the HDMI input would help a bit with this and it's not gonna harm me watching maybe two or three hours TV on the Xbox if I'm honest. Basically when I take a break for gaming I can switch easy and tune into SSN for a bit.
I'm not 100% sure of your set-up but I just got one of these when I maxed out my HDMI sockets: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Duronic-HDS3...ds=hdmi+switch
Works an absolute charm and less than a tenner. Done.
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Old 05-07-2013, 19:25
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Saving a few seconds going from game to TV...wow...one still needs all the payments etc from any service you would normally have if you didn't have an Xbone.

Microsoft still seem to think that having functions to let us watch TV through the XBone on our...TVs is something special...it isn't...it is what we have been doing for about 20years with game consoles.

It might save a few seconds but people still just want to know how good the games are going to be...but it seems, from the launch, the gaming part of the XBone is less than secondary.
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Old 12-07-2013, 21:42
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I'm wondering if this will ever show up outside of the UK. If it does, it'll probably only end up on either a cable service or Sky for the first release. Sounds to faffy in the long run.
I imagine the difficulty would be getting EPG data, and that that would be easier with FreeView. I'm with Virgin Media, and I can't see them wanting Microsoft as an intermediary between them and their customers.

1) There's no way I'm having 2 machines powered on all day just to change channel using voice controls.
I already keep my TV in stand-by so I can wake it with the remote control, and TiVo (my cable box) is on and recording all the time anyway. So I don't see this as a big deal. XBox One has a stand-by mode where it just listens for one key phrase, and presumably that doesn't take much power.

2) I have 3 kids in the house. They are noisy. I have surround sound. Which is also noisy. Twice a day someone vacuums. Which is noisy. Is the Kinect, which is going to be placed 2 meters away from where I sit going to hear me over the assorted sounds of everyday life?
Why are you trying to watch TV when someone is using the vacuum cleaner?

3) I live in a busy household, so I watch most of my TV at night after everybody else has gone to bed. I don't think they'll appreciate me barking at the TV when they are trying to sleep.
Doesn't the TV itself annoy them?

4) Sometimes I can't decide what to watch, so I channel surf. "Xbox, channel up, Xbox, channel up, Xbox channel up, Xbox, Channel up....." is going to get real tiresome real quickly when you're skipping dozens of channels.
We'll have to see how well it works. Remember it's not just voice control. The gesture control could conceivably work out OK for many channel changes. (Or you could just say, "XBox, watch porn" and let it find what you want to watch. )
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Old 16-07-2013, 09:06
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I'm with Virgin Media, and I can't see them wanting Microsoft as an intermediary between them and their customers.

According to these posts (see link below) on the Virgin media forum (one of them being from me!!), Virgin won't be supporting the Xbox One with its 'pass through' feature - so looks like if you're with Virgin - you're out of luck.........!!


TiVo/Xbox One Compatibility
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Old 16-07-2013, 10:41
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(A)I already keep my TV in stand-by so I can wake it with the remote control, and TiVo (my cable box) is on and recording all the time anyway. So I don't see this as a big deal. XBox One has a stand-by mode where it just listens for one key phrase, and presumably that doesn't take much power.

(B)Why are you trying to watch TV when someone is using the vacuum cleaner?

(C)Doesn't the TV itself annoy them?

(D)We'll have to see how well it works. Remember it's not just voice control. The gesture control could conceivably work out OK for many channel changes. (Or you could just say, "XBox, watch porn" and let it find what you want to watch. )
(A) In my house the TV can easily be on for up to 17 hours a day, as is the Sky box. In order to use these features, the Xbox One would need to be fully powered on for 17 hours as well.

(B) I'm not trying to watch TV when somebody in vacuuming, but inevitably someone will vacuum while somebody else is watching TV.

(C) No. There is a big difference between constant low level background noise and sudden noises.

(D) I'm not convinced by gesture controls yet. Will you be sitting there scared to scratch your head or swat a fly in fear of changing the channel?
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Old 16-07-2013, 19:25
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Why so much vacuuming in your house?
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Old 16-07-2013, 19:28
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According to these posts (see link below) on the Virgin media forum (one of them being from me!!), Virgin won't be supporting the Xbox One with its 'pass through' feature - so looks like if you're with Virgin - you're out of luck.........!!


TiVo/Xbox One Compatibility
It won't be possible for the Xbox One to use HDMI CEC to change channels on the TiVo, as the TiVo doesn't support that.

That doesn't necessarily mean though that the basic pass-through won't work... The Xbox One could use an IR blaster thing, or possibly even have an Xbox One version of the Virgin app that lets mobile devices control the box?
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Old 16-07-2013, 19:42
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Why so much vacuuming in your house?
3 children all under tha age of 6 kinda makes it necessary.
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Old 16-07-2013, 19:47
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I don't mind the TV integration, I think they will be useful for some people but it's not really applicable to me. I'll be plugging my 360 into the back of it instead, not entirely sure of what perks that will offer aside from an additional overlay guide but it would be real nice if it could use the TwitchTV and DVR features.
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Old 17-07-2013, 09:08
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Personally - I don't see the point of plugging your cable box into the Xbox One just to get an overlay so that it can control your tv

As others have posted - why have 2 machines powered on (the Xbox One AND the cable box) just to watch tv, when I can get more functionality through the cable box alone?

The thing that I really don't get is this - sure, you'll get an overlay to control your tv viewing HOWEVER, I can pretty much 100% guarantee that using the Xbox One tv overlay will NOT provide a function whereby you can access your recordings from your cable box meaning if you do want to watch a recording - you'll have to turn the Xbox One off to get rid of the overlay, and use just the cable box instead.

Sort of defeats the object of having the overlay in the first place.......!!!!
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