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UEFA Champions League on TV
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Gazza1982
03-10-2013
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“While that's true, it wouldn't surprise me if the "bigger" nations' broadcasters can have a say - in which case, ITV would always want England on Saturday and Tuesday.

But even if that's not the case, England are still more likely to play on Tuesday than Wednesday (i.e. not at all for the latter), and midweek friendlies will still always be Tuesday, so I can see ITV still preferring it.”

Will they though? England's recent friendly matches have pretty much all been on Wednesday's. I think due to there generally being a full set of fixtures on the weekend before as clubs don't have to release players well in advance. So clubs are still playing Premier League matches on Sunday afternoons which means friendly matches get played on Tuesday's. I know there is no getting away from this but i've always found it strange as one of the reasons we were told why ITV didn't bid for Wednesday Champions League games was because they didn't want to disrupt their normal schedule. Yet they are prepared to disrupt it for mickey mouse friendly games which frankly makes no sense and shows their decision making up for what it really is, ie total rubbish and again shows their contempt towards viewers by feeding us with a pack of lies.
Steve Williams
03-10-2013
Originally Posted by Gazza1982:
“I know there is no getting away from this but i've always found it strange as one of the reasons we were told why ITV didn't bid for Wednesday Champions League games was because they didn't want to disrupt their normal schedule. Yet they are prepared to disrupt it for mickey mouse friendly games which frankly makes no sense and shows their decision making up for what it really is, ie total rubbish and again shows their contempt towards viewers by feeding us with a pack of lies.”

But there are only two or three friendly matches a season, and in addition they can have some say over the kick-off times so they can have them kicking off at 8.05 so they can still show Corrie. They don't have control over the kick-off times for the Champions League, and they show far more of them.
realwales
03-10-2013
Originally Posted by Steve Williams:
“But there are only two or three friendly matches a season, and in addition they can have some say over the kick-off times so they can have them kicking off at 8.05 so they can still show Corrie. They don't have control over the kick-off times for the Champions League, and they show far more of them.”

The days of ITV, or anyone, coming on air just five minutes before an international match are over.

With regards to the wider debate, I'd hope one Champions League match per season stays FTA. I'd advise ITV to play hard-ball if they have to. I'd say that if they're not allowed one live match per week, say they're not interested in showing just the final.

Losing the Champions League would be a massive hit to ITV's live football coverage, but they shouldn't pay massively over the odds for it.

I hope UEFA see sense over this and keep their long association with ITV. I know loyalty doesn't count for much these days but ITV did a huge amount to help build up the competition after a shaky start in the early-mid 1990s.
realwales
03-10-2013
I should also make it clear I don't understand all the hatred for ITV. More often than not, their coverage is top notch. There have been occasional mistakes, including one or two howlers, but both the BBC and Sky have made plenty of those over the years. Does anyone remember the time the BBC nearly missed a goal at the FA Cup final?
popeye13
03-10-2013
Originally Posted by realwales:
“The days of ITV, or anyone, coming on air just five minutes before an international match are over.

With regards to the wider debate, I'd hope one Champions League match per season stays FTA. I'd advise ITV to play hard-ball if they have to. I'd say that if they're not allowed one live match per week, say they're not interested in showing just the final.

Losing the Champions League would be a massive hit to ITV's live football coverage, but they shouldn't pay massively over the odds for it.

I hope UEFA see sense over this and keep their long association with ITV. I know loyalty doesn't count for much these days but ITV did a huge amount to help build up the competition after a shaky start in the early-mid 1990s.”

How does playing hardball get a good result for ITV?
There would be interest from others to screen the final on a FTA basis, Channel 5 being one.
The ad revenue & viewing figures around that alone would pay for it, so its not like ITV acting a dick would get them anything other than a closed door into their face.

And lets not forget that Sky have also done alot for the UCL in terms of its UK image too, but when it comes to a tender process, all of that is ignored, rightly so aswell.

ITV's coverage has been pisspoor for years, not talking about the mistakes, im talking in general.
Presentation, going to ad breaks just as the teams come out and cutting off a great atmosphere to a game (celtic v Barcelona just recently!)
Poor picture quality, poor commentators & pundits... Gabriel Clarke is the only good thing for ITV Football right now, he is wasted there big time!
Steve Williams
03-10-2013
Originally Posted by popeye13:
“Presentation, going to ad breaks just as the teams come out and cutting off a great atmosphere to a game (celtic v Barcelona just recently!)
Poor picture quality, poor commentators & pundits... Gabriel Clarke is the only good thing for ITV Football right now, he is wasted there big time!”

What, like Sky and BT do?
david16
03-10-2013
Originally Posted by popeye13:
“How does playing hardball get a good result for ITV?
There would be interest from others to screen the final on a FTA basis, Channel 5 being one.
The ad revenue & viewing figures around that alone would pay for it, so its not like ITV acting a dick would get them anything other than a closed door into their face.

And lets not forget that Sky have also done alot for the UCL in terms of its UK image too, but when it comes to a tender process, all of that is ignored, rightly so aswell.

ITV's coverage has been pisspoor for years, not talking about the mistakes, im talking in general.
Presentation, going to ad breaks just as the teams come out and cutting off a great atmosphere to a game (celtic v Barcelona just recently!)
Poor picture quality, poor commentators & pundits... Gabriel Clarke is the only good thing for ITV Football right now, he is wasted there big time!”

The BBC can't do the final as they would totally fail the competition's sponsorship and commercial test.
mikey1980
03-10-2013
Originally Posted by popeye13:
“How does playing hardball get a good result for ITV?
There would be interest from others to screen the final on a FTA basis, Channel 5 being one.
The ad revenue & viewing figures around that alone would pay for it, so its not like ITV acting a dick would get them anything other than a closed door into their face.

And lets not forget that Sky have also done alot for the UCL in terms of its UK image too, but when it comes to a tender process, all of that is ignored, rightly so aswell.

ITV's coverage has been pisspoor for years, not talking about the mistakes, im talking in general.
Presentation, going to ad breaks just as the teams come out and cutting off a great atmosphere to a game (celtic v Barcelona just recently!)
Poor picture quality, poor commentators & pundits... Gabriel Clarke is the only good thing for ITV Football right now, he is wasted there big time!”

Commentators and pundits - totally subjective, a matter of opinion.

Picture quality - ITV HD looks fine on my TV, what's the problem on yours?

Ad breaks - ITV are commercially funded, of course they go to ad breaks! But who cares about the ad breaks before and after the game? Yes, we may miss the teams walking out, but is that such a big deal?

ITV's coverage is more than par for the course, it's slick and professional.
wolvesdavid
03-10-2013
Originally Posted by popeye13:
“Broadcasters have zero say. UEFA are somewhat very controlling and giving away say to tv is something UEFA would rather die than allow.
ITV are frankly are morons, they knew the package structures for the UCL yet still opted for Tuesday, knowing they would have no rights for the Wed highlights untill Friday's, which for me, and most people with brains, know that move is stupid.
If the goons at ITV Sport have any brains, it will be Wednesday, but looking at the state of ITV Sport, its going to be the same Tuesday bid.
But as i have said, i hope ITV get nothing, their coverage is beyond a joke and losing the UCL might be a wakeup they have been ignoring.”

:yawn::yawn::yawn:

Its still UEFAs fault for not selling a Wednesday night highlights package as an option that ITV could bid for.
wolvesdavid
03-10-2013
Originally Posted by Gazza1982:
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I know there is no getting away from this but i've always found it strange as one of the reasons we were told why ITV didn't bid for Wednesday Champions League games was because they didn't want to disrupt their normal schedule. Yet they are prepared to disrupt it for mickey mouse friendly games which frankly makes no sense and shows their decision making up for what it really is, ie total rubbish and again shows their contempt towards viewers by feeding us with a pack of lies.”

Those "mickey mouse" friendly games are international friendlies. Besides that its not as if ITV have had a choice over when the international friendlies have been played.
wolvesdavid
03-10-2013
Originally Posted by popeye13:
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Presentation, going to ad breaks just as the teams come out and cutting off a great atmosphere to a game (celtic v Barcelona just recently!)
Poor picture quality, poor commentators & pundits... Gabriel Clarke is the only good thing for ITV Football right now, he is wasted there big time!”

Individual pundits and commentators are subjective to opinion. I think Clive Tyldesley is a good commentator.

Sky usually cut to adverts, before the match starts. Tyler normally shouts: "and its LIVE" just as they do it.

How else would ITV fund their coverage of the champions league?
ariusuk
04-10-2013
Originally Posted by popeye13:
“ITV are frankly are morons, they knew the package structures for the UCL yet still opted for Tuesday, knowing they would have no rights for the Wed highlights untill Friday's, which for me, and most people with brains, know that move is stupid.
If the goons at ITV Sport have any brains, it will be Wednesday, but looking at the state of ITV Sport, its going to be the same Tuesday bid.”

Actually if ITV had bid for Wednesday first picks rather than Tuesday, they would have had to wait until Friday to show Tuesday's games.
Readingfan
04-10-2013
Originally Posted by ariusuk:
“Actually if ITV had bid for Wednesday first picks rather than Tuesday, they would have had to wait until Friday to show Tuesday's games.”

I was going to say, I thought highlights were for the night you had a live game(s). So ITV wouldn't have been in a better position if they'd gone for Wednesday - indeed it would be worse because they'd much rather have the Tuesday games I suspect!
popeye13
04-10-2013
Originally Posted by mikey1980:
“Commentators and pundits - totally subjective, a matter of opinion.

Picture quality - ITV HD looks fine on my TV, what's the problem on yours?

Ad breaks - ITV are commercially funded, of course they go to ad breaks! But who cares about the ad breaks before and after the game? Yes, we may miss the teams walking out, but is that such a big deal?

ITV's coverage is more than par for the course, it's slick and professional.”

If they didn't babble on and on, they could perhaps have the ad break in that?!! Or that too difficult to do?
And yes, its important.

ITV HD uses CBR, so as soon as the camera moves, the picture becomes a blocky mess

And no, just no, ITV's coverage is nothing close to slick or professional. Its dire.
THOMO
04-10-2013
Originally Posted by popeye13:
“If they didn't babble on and on, they could perhaps have the ad break in that?!! Or that too difficult to do?
And yes, its important.

ITV HD uses CBR, so as soon as the camera moves, the picture becomes a blocky mess

And no, just no, ITV's coverage is nothing close to slick or professional. Its dire.”

I do agree with you ITV's coverage is dire and it's a shame that the BBC probably won't get any coverage, but hopefully Sky's excellent coverage will continue as it is now at present.
Ian.
popeye13
04-10-2013
Originally Posted by THOMO:
“I do agree with you ITV's coverage is dire and it's a shame that the BBC probably won't get any coverage, but hopefully Sky's excellent coverage will continue as it is now at present.
Ian.”

I used to enjoy ITV football, but i just don't anymore.
I hate when a game i want to see is on ITV because it makes me want to stream it somewhere else rather than watch ITV.

Sky's coverage is the total polar opposite and yes, others will disagree and feel the opposite to me, but alot feel the same way i do about ITV football coverage.
wolvesdavid
04-10-2013
Originally Posted by popeye13:
“If they didn't babble on and on, they could perhaps have the ad break in that?!! Or that too difficult to do?
And yes, its important.
”

A lot of people don't think its important, as they can still see the match.

They are always going to take an advert break as the teams come out, before the match starts. Thats the best time to take an advert break as the teams come out before the match. (Excluding obviously the adverts at half time.)
hendero
04-10-2013
Originally Posted by popeye13:
“I used to enjoy ITV football, but i just don't anymore.
I hate when a game i want to see is on ITV because it makes me want to stream it somewhere else rather than watch ITV.
”

Really, you'd prefer to watch a dodgy download, quite possibly with non-English commentary, on a computer, rather than a match on ITV in HD?

I agree that the ITV half-time and post match punditry isn't the greatest. For me there's one too many "experts", Roy Keane is a work in progress (some decent insights, he's toned his act down a little, but still comes across as a bully), I don't really see what Southgate adds, Lee Dixon is the best of the bunch. Adrian Chiles is a conundrum - seems like a decent chap, but his presenting style is a bit too much "bloke in the pub" for my liking. Although he's not perfect, Lineker is a far more credible host. Jeff Stelling is nearly there, still a little too jokey, which makes him perfect for Saturday afternoons.

Andy Townsend isn't great either. But for me the most important dynamic in the coverage, given the TV pictures are all usually pretty good, unless it's coming from somewhere like Albania, or you have the occasional eccentric European director who wants to focus on lingering crowd reactions or the fourth replay of an incident and misses live action, is the commentator. And ITV's are for the most part top notch.
Judio
04-10-2013
Surely a company as big as ITV could afford to give us a different commentator or co commentator

Having the same voices EVERY time is tedious
Dansky+HD
04-10-2013
Pick TV anyone (and a change of name)
If it had 99.9% coverage across UK

sky effectively having ALL champions Lge may even put a Wednesday game on FTA
arunan22
04-10-2013
Whilst I have Sky and am not ITV's biggest fan - it is important to have FTA coverage of the CL with at least 1 game a week and ITV is really the only place for it given the BBC's commercial restrictions.

ITV does have issues - but they really arent as poor as some people make out on this thread. The fact ITV is available in every home across the UK means mistakes are magnified 10x vs Sky or BT.

They just need to fix their match build up slightly (perhaps 1 less ad break) or give it more than 15 mins build up. Everything else is fine.
Ginger Daddy
04-10-2013
Originally Posted by Dansky+HD:
“Pick TV anyone (and a change of name)
If it had 99.9% coverage across UK

sky effectively having ALL champions Lge may even put a Wednesday game on FTA”

**PICK TV KLAXON**
pakokelso93
04-10-2013
Originally Posted by Dansky+HD:
“Pick TV anyone (and a change of name)
If it had 99.9% coverage across UK

sky effectively having ALL champions Lge may even put a Wednesday game on FTA”

NO!!!!!!
Ginger Daddy
04-10-2013
I will never, never, never, never, never understand the obsession people have on this forum with Sky putting premium content on Pick TV, its never going to happen on a regular basis like people go on and on about. Get over it, for God's sake.
coventrywooo
04-10-2013
Originally Posted by Ginger Daddy:
“I will never, never, never, never, never understand the obsession people have on this forum with Sky putting premium content on Pick TV, its never going to happen on a regular basis like people go on and on about. Get over it, for God's sake.”

i think we should ban people who keep saying pick tv....
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