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Sirius C
09-09-2016
Originally Posted by brundlebud:
“Not sure that this is relevant - subscribers aren't only subscribing to see their own team. Historically, TV football has been watched by supporters of all sorts of teams, not just those in action.”

There will be elements of both I'm sure. However, with some teams now being on well over 20 times the package is much more appealing.

Similarly, even "armchair fans" have preferences for some teams which is supported by certain teams rating far better than others. Again, more games = more opportunities for these teams to feature.
mlt11
09-09-2016
Originally Posted by Sirius C:
“I've read this post a few times now as it's near the top of the page, but do the stats not argue against the point you are trying to make?

As the number of games on Sky Sports has rose from 60 (in that period) to 126 at present so has the number of subscribers. Sky, in 1996, was relatively expensive to only see your team 3 or 4 times per season and against strong coverage of European football (where there was UK interest) and FA Cup, England internationals on terrestrial television.

As more football has gone behind a paywall the number of subscribers has steadily rose. While Sky now have competition from other broadcasters, they have always been in a position to say there's more football than ever before on Sky Sports, at least until they lost the Champions League.”

Not sure you registered my point about FA Cup and England - my point was that back in 1997 Sky had all 1st pick FA Cup games and England internationals - whereas they don't now.

Yes, I agree with your point that Sky obviously has more PL games now - 126 vs 66 back in 1997.

But how key has the increase in PL games been to driving more subs?

We can't prove it either way but my view is that the extra games haven't been that significant - yes they will have driven some extra subs but Sky has gone from 3m to 10m subs - my view is that the extra PL games would only have taken them to say 4m, or maybe 4.5m.

The reason I think that is as follows:

On one side of the coin they have the extra PL games. But we know that the average Sky subscriber only watches 30 games per season and I don't think that figure has changed much - putting on more live games hasn't grown the number of games each subscriber watches - at least not much. Although I would agree that people are being served better by being more able to watch the games they most want to see (ie your point that the team you personally support is on more).

Now look at what is on the other side of the coin:

1) Sky now has a competitor offering a reasonable helping of PL games at much lower cost. No competitor existed in 1997.

2) Sky has lost the 1st pick FA Cup and England games it had in 1997. So back in 1997 Sky had literally every one of the biggest games across all of PL, FA Cup and England - now they have say 75% of PL, but no FA Cup and no England.

My own view (and I accept it can't be proved either way) is that the reason they have made such a transformational change in size from 3m to 10m subs is much more because of:

- Other sports rights acquisitions - making their sports offer much broader - most importantly adding cricket and F1 but also numerous other additional sports content

- A much broader entertainment offering - Sky Atlantic etc

- Launching broadband and phone and bundling with TV

- Various technological developments

Indeed Sky got out of that late 1990s stagnant phase with the launch of Sky Digital - which immediately led to the number of Sky TV subs growing very rapidly - when the number of live PL games they had was flat.

I also think that the % of Sky homes taking Sky Sports is lower now than back in 1997 - though Sky hasn't published these figures since (from memory) 2007 - I don't have any such figures for the late 1990s but my general impression is quite strong that the figure (ie the % not the absolute number) would have been higher in the late 1990s.
mlt11
09-09-2016
Just coming back to the CL changes:

1) The consensus on the Bert Kassies website - from people who look like they really do know what they're talking about - is that country rankings remain based on 5 years only - ie the ranking which determines the number of CL places you have or where you join (so key for Scotland).

It's only club rankings that move to 10 years.

2) Money changes - market pool goes down - so impact of own country TV deal less - so English clubs lose as they get less share of the English TV rights - as more goes into prize money performance pool.

Today's Times is also reporting that some money will be distributed based on club coefficient - ie a money pot separate from the performance pool and the market pool. This obviously helps clubs with high coefficients (which remember will be based on 10 years plus historic titles) - good for Man Utd and Liverpool (if they can qualify!), bad for Man City.
mightymillie
09-09-2016
Originally Posted by mlt11:
“Not sure you registered my point about FA Cup and England - my point was that back in 1997 Sky had all 1st pick FA Cup games and England internationals - whereas they don't now.

Yes, I agree with your point that Sky obviously has more PL games now - 126 vs 66 back in 1997.

But how key has the increase in PL games been to driving more subs?”

The increase in PL games didn't really need to drive new subs beyond a certain point. By about 2001 anyone who was going to subscribe to pay TV for football would be subscribing to pay TV.

The importance of increasing the number of games is to persuade those people that they are getting better value for money than they had last season, even if the price increases.
Judio
13-09-2016
Just noticed you cañ record the games on red button tonight on Sky

It's like Football First
Press record on BT Sport 2 and the options come up
gomezz
13-09-2016
BT Sports Goals Show still not sorted out the problem with not showing the team colours in the scoreline graphic when there is a goal or a penalty etc.
Jason C
13-09-2016
Perhaps BT could make the added time display the same size as the normal clock display as it's much too small.

It doesn't matter about lining it up, just let the number of added minutes display spill over to the right.
DUNDEEBOY
13-09-2016
When did ally Mccoist join BT
Steve Williams
13-09-2016
Originally Posted by DUNDEEBOY:
“When did ally Mccoist join BT”

He hasn't, he was on ITV last week. He works for whoever pays him, whether that's BT, ITV or Ladbrokes.
pakokelso93
13-09-2016
To answer the BT question - he did UCL commentaries last season too - did McCoist.
FusionFury
13-09-2016
BT Sport really make it seem amateurish.. where as Sky always felt like it had a "big game" feel.. like the whole of Britain was watching.

BT don't have the same buzz/hype.
Jamesp84
13-09-2016
Originally Posted by Steve Williams:
“He hasn't, he was on ITV last week. He works for whoever pays him, whether that's BT, ITV or Ladbrokes.”

He was on 5Live last night at Sunderland too.
JSemple3
13-09-2016
Wrong thread. Ignore
wal28
14-09-2016
Originally Posted by Judio:
“Just noticed you cañ record the games on red button tonight on Sky

It's like Football First
Press record on BT Sport 2 and the options come up”

Yes this has been the case since the play off round last month and a great development for BT subs via the Sky platform...

Unfortunately yesterday Simon Brotherton on Kiev-Napoli all the other scores so gave the game away for me watching PSG-Arsenal. Fortunately I switched the order of the games round as Darren Fletcher wasn't doing likewise during his match.

Also annoyingly the recording for Kiev-Napoli cut off at 21.30 so I missed the last 3 mins and injury time.

Planning to watch Legia-Dortmund and Juve-Sevilla tonight but if all the comms are updating scores verbally and via the scorebar I might have to appraise my plans for tonight
DanManF1
14-09-2016
Originally Posted by gomezz:
“BT Sports Goals Show still not sorted out the problem with not showing the team colours in the scoreline graphic when there is a goal or a penalty etc. ”

The graphics may be even more squashy for the Goals Show tonight now that they'll have the Man City game, too.
Steve Williams
14-09-2016
Originally Posted by pakokelso93:
“To answer the BT question - he did UCL commentaries last season too - did McCoist.”

Yes, and it's clearly all gone wrong for him because ten years ago he was punditing on the first choice match for ITV, now he's co-commentating on the eighth choice match.
samburrows
14-09-2016
Originally Posted by FusionFury:
“BT don't have the same buzz/hype.”

A lot of football fans - myself included - would say this is a good thing. Football has enough hyperbole as it is without another broadcaster laying it on. Let the matches speak for themselves.
Marti S
14-09-2016
I see that still no chance of seeing the showcase matches on Sky, someone earlier in this thread had said they would be available this season on Sky but seems they were wrong.
jlp95bwfc
14-09-2016
I read that it would be free for Sky & Virgin viewers. What's going on? .
PhilH36
14-09-2016
It's not just me then as I'm sure I read or heard somewhere that the matches on Showcase would also be unencrypted for Sky viewers but it hasn't cleared. Thought I'd imagined it for a moment!

Originally Posted by Marti S:
“I see that still no chance of seeing the showcase matches on Sky, someone earlier in this thread had said they would be available this season on Sky but seems they were wrong.”

Ah, it was Judio:

Originally Posted by Judio:
“and in a change for this season, both Sky and Virgin Media viewers will also be able to watch BT Sport’s live free-to-view broadcasts.”

Source, please?
Glob_blob
14-09-2016
Weird how yesterday for PSG vs arsenal how BT used 'par' instead of PSG on scoreboard
jlp95bwfc
14-09-2016
Is there a web link for showcase?
gomezz
14-09-2016
Originally Posted by Glob_blob:
“Weird how yesterday for PSG vs arsenal how BT used 'par' instead of PSG on scoreboard”

I thought that odd too. Was looking across the score-bar when they started talking about the first goal and was confused I couldn't see PSG.
sparry
14-09-2016
To be fair, BT's own website said the Leicester game would be available free on Sky, but that appears not to be the case
LostFool
14-09-2016
Until I came to this thread a few minutes ago I had no idea it was free on BT "Showcase" on Virgin. You'd think that either Virgin or BT would advertise the fact to drive more subscriptions.

BT's viewing figures must be shocking.
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