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Old 06-10-2013, 20:23
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To be honest I think individual commentators and pundits will be the last thing UEFA think about when deciding who wins the rights to the champions league. Clive Tyldesley is used on the UEFA programmes, directly from ITVs commentry, so it would be in ITVs favour if they were thinking of it! But if I had to say it would be:

Mostly free to air exposure and the wider interest coverage of the sport.
Then the money involved in the bid.

BT and Sky will bid more money than ITV for the 1st pick, but not by emough to take the coverage from ITV. THe champions league is a successful competition partly because of the wider coverage it gets from been on free TV.

Although a loss leader, football especially the champions league, is used to get male audiences to watch the channel, and in that regard I guess ITV will be happy to keep what they have already got, and I expect they will.
Much like the football league was until Sky came along?
I don't for one minute think that you really believe it will remain FTA if BT or Sky put a bid in of almost double what ITV did?

I do agree with you UEFA do not care about presenters commentators etc or even ITV if it shows no football on English channels but I feel what they are concerned about is potential revenue and the safe guard of it's premier European tournament.

Don't get me wrong I want to see it remain on ITV but UEFA know with BT and the money they have it will push the price up to a stupid level.....then they make their choice.
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Old 06-10-2013, 20:34
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I'll just make one point about this critism of ITV. I generally don't get it. ITVs coverage is good, they do everything I think that can be expected of a free to air channel.

casinoman13 if it doubles than yes UEFA have a decision to make. But its that "big match occassion" that having it on free to air TV gives that is in ITVs favour, hopefully your know what I mean by that, and it is only 1 match per week. I suppose football is a big enough sport and there would still be plenty left if it all went pay. I just don't think you can under estimate that "big match occassion" thing.

I suppose the FA Cup is the one that will see some sort of coverage on free TV for a lot longer, although thats clearly a discussion for another thread.
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Old 06-10-2013, 20:36
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I'll just make one point about this critism of ITV. I generally don't get it. ITVs coverage is good, they do everything I think that can be expected of a free to air channel.

casinoman13 if it doubles than yes UEFA have a decision to make. But its that "big match occassion" that having it on free to air TV gives that is in ITVs favour, hopefully your know what I mean by that, and it is only 1 match per week. I suppose football is a big enough sport and there would still be plenty left if it all went pay. I just don't think you can under estimate that "big match occassion" thing.

I suppose the FA Cup is the one that will see some sort of coverage on free TV for a lot longer, although thats clearly a discussion for another thread.
Well it's happened in a few other country's where they've lost free air Champions League.
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Old 06-10-2013, 20:51
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The best ones i have watched were Al Jazeera & Sky Sport Italia. Yeah they're little nuts on Italian TV but thats better than Chiles and Al Jazeera offers it in English..
Canal+Sport isn't bad either
I struggle to see how Al Jazeera is much better than ITV - it uses a lot of pundits deemed not good enough for ITV/BBC/SKY
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Old 06-10-2013, 21:30
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Well it's happened in a few other country's where they've lost free air Champions League.
Ian.
It has and there is no reason why it will not happen here....if the price is right
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Old 06-10-2013, 21:31
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It has and there is no reason why it will not happen here....if the price is right
Yes it could very well happen.
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Old 06-10-2013, 22:07
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I think Ian Drake is the worst commentator on TV.
Is he any relation to Charlie?
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Old 06-10-2013, 23:02
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It has and there is no reason why it will not happen here....if the price is right
I'm confused by the smiley at the end. Is that something you would like to see happen?
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Old 06-10-2013, 23:04
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I'm confused by the smiley at the end. Is that something you would like to see happen?
Well I don't want to see it happen. But I fear it could very well do so.
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Old 08-10-2013, 17:30
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I know - I was agreeing with you! We've been in enough threads in the past for me to know your views, and totally respect them.
OK Steve, apologies and many thanks for your kind words.

(Just catching up with this thread after being away for several days).
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Old 08-10-2013, 17:44
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Not sure if I've missed it but I can't see this posted anywhere:

The tender for the UK rights to the CL for 2015/18 was issued on 3 October 2013. The deadline for submitting bids is 5 November 2013.

The tender for the UK rights to the EL for 2015/18 was also issued on 3 October 2013. The deadline for submitting bids is also 5 November 2013.

From memory I don't think the CL and EL tenders have always been done simultaneously in the past. Doing it this way prevents anyone bidding differently for the EL depending on what CL rights they get / don't get (if EL done second which I think is what happened before?).

http://www.uefa.org/MultimediaFiles/...0_DOWNLOAD.pdf

http://www.uefa.org/MultimediaFiles/...2_DOWNLOAD.pdf
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Old 08-10-2013, 19:08
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I'm confused by the smiley at the end. Is that something you would like to see happen?
Not at all, however in the eyes of BT, if the price is right then UEFA may say yes?
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Old 08-10-2013, 23:15
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Not at all, however in the eyes of BT, if the price is right then UEFA may say yes?
UEFA would be stupid to decline the added cash BT would put down.
FTA exposure doesn't make them any more money does it and the fact that of BT are determined to secure CL rights, they will bid big, as will Sky. Its why i think ITV's days are over
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Old 08-10-2013, 23:30
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It's a tricky one trying to fathom what UEFA's overriding motives will be in all this.

1. Is it purely about money? It may well be, and if so then ITV have virtually no chance if Sky and BT go all out for 1st picks on both nights.

2. Will UEFA treat ITV as a trusted partner given they have been a broadcaster of the comp since it's change to the CL 20 years ago? It's easy to be cynical and think UEFA put the highest bids before everything else, but if they value the commitment to the competition ITV have shown coupled with the massive audiences they generate for UEFA and it's sponsors (and of course the significant money they pay for the rights) then ITV will keep what they have.

The big games over the past few years like Arsenal v Barca, United v Real etc have topped 8 million viewers on ITV. They are huge figures for club games and dwarf what Sky can pull in and totally dwarf what BT can.

It can't be underestimated how much a good bid from a FTA broadcaster with 20 years backing for the competition can affect UEFA's thinking.

My personal prediction is that ITV will keep their 1 first pick game per round with a significantly improved bid. And I think the other games will go to 1 pay operator, which will mean Sky or BT missing out. Sky and BT will bid so much that UEFA will be able to go with the highest bidder and still give ITV what it wants.
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Old 08-10-2013, 23:35
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The big games over the past few years like Arsenal v Barca, United v Real etc have topped 8 million viewers on ITV. They are huge figures for club games and dwarf what Sky can pull in and totally dwarf what BT can.
But you cannot compare them,
ITV is FTA whereas Sky & BT are premium subscription sport channels.
So they will always have a huge difference in numbers.

And it won't be UEFA deciding anyway, it will be done by The Team Marketing agency.
Unless UEFA have final say. which then makes the need for a sales agent a bit daft..
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Old 08-10-2013, 23:58
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But you cannot compare them,
ITV is FTA whereas Sky & BT are premium subscription sport channels.
So they will always have a huge difference in numbers.

And it won't be UEFA deciding anyway, it will be done by The Team Marketing agency.
Unless UEFA have final say. which then makes the need for a sales agent a bit daft..
Effectively, TEAM is UEFA.
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Old 09-10-2013, 00:28
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Another example of how football is being taken away from the working man, the money involved in football these days is frightening and i guess if ITV don't lose it now then it's only a matter of time before they do.. money in football is killing it slowly.
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Old 09-10-2013, 15:45
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It's a tricky one trying to fathom what UEFA's overriding motives will be in all this.

1. Is it purely about money? It may well be, and if so then ITV have virtually no chance if Sky and BT go all out for 1st picks on both nights.

2. Will UEFA treat ITV as a trusted partner given they have been a broadcaster of the comp since it's change to the CL 20 years ago? It's easy to be cynical and think UEFA put the highest bids before everything else, but if they value the commitment to the competition ITV have shown coupled with the massive audiences they generate for UEFA and it's sponsors (and of course the significant money they pay for the rights) then ITV will keep what they have.

The big games over the past few years like Arsenal v Barca, United v Real etc have topped 8 million viewers on ITV. They are huge figures for club games and dwarf what Sky can pull in and totally dwarf what BT can.

It can't be underestimated how much a good bid from a FTA broadcaster with 20 years backing for the competition can affect UEFA's thinking.

My personal prediction is that ITV will keep their 1 first pick game per round with a significantly improved bid. And I think the other games will go to 1 pay operator, which will mean Sky or BT missing out. Sky and BT will bid so much that UEFA will be able to go with the highest bidder and still give ITV what it wants.
Good post.

One point not raised - a significant proportion of UK TV money goes back to the 4 English clubs (+ a little bit to the Scottish club if they are in it) through the country pool.

So potentially if the UK TV rights rocket way, way higher than the rest of Europe that will give English clubs a major cash uplift vs all other clubs in the CL.

Platini might not like that. Just a thought!
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Old 09-10-2013, 15:49
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Rough calculation - 1st pick packages only (all figures are per package):

2012/15:
ITV - £50m
Sky - £50m

2015/18 bids:
ITV - £65m
Sky - £100m
BT - £100m

So the choice is then £165m sticking with ITV or £200m if they go Pay only.

ie a 65% rise sticking with ITV or a 100% rise Pay only.

Platini may well settle for 65% given the point in my post above!
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Old 09-10-2013, 16:52
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The deadline for submitting bids is 5 November 2013 but when should we expect to hear announcements as to the outcome?
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Old 09-10-2013, 16:56
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The deadline for submitting bids is 5 November 2013 but when should we expect to hear announcements as to the outcome?
I believe last time round the deadline was April 12th with the announcement made April 27th.

So two weeks based off that, but it could be more or less this time.
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Old 09-10-2013, 17:41
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Interesting that after weeks of debating on here that most think it's ITV that will lose out, what astonishment their would be if Sky were to lose out and BT took their games?

They say anything is possible so why not? or at least some games.
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Old 09-10-2013, 17:56
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Interesting that after weeks of debating on here that most think it's ITV that will lose out, what astonishment their would be if Sky were to lose out and BT took their games?

They say anything is possible so why not? or at least some games.
I think quite understandably there would be some astonishment.
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Old 09-10-2013, 18:27
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Does anyone know what actual packages are up for grabs and what's in each package for this bid process?
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Old 09-10-2013, 18:41
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Does anyone know what actual packages are up for grabs and what's in each package for this bid process?
Arius may have more info, but this was the structure for the last bidding process:

A - First pick Tue, Tue highlights, Final
B - First pick Wed, Wed highlights, Final
C - Second pick Tue
D - Second pick Wed
E - All other Tue games
F - All other Wed games

The packages this time round surely cannot vary much from this.
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