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Old 30-08-2013, 10:18
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That would mean ITV not showing Chelsea at all before Christmas, which isn't going to happen.

ITV has already picked its first two games:
Manchester Utd v Bayer Leverkusen
Celtic v FC Barcelona

I'd guess at Chelsea on MD3, City on MD4 and Arsenal on MD5, but those decisions won't be made until after MD2.
You'd pick Schalke v Chelsea over Arsenal v Dortmund?
And you'd pick City v CSKA over Sociedad v United?

Thank God you don't make the picks. It's about having the best games for the biggest audience, not just picking teams so they don't feel left out.

Arsenal v Borussia Dortmund in MD3 is a definite IMO. That is the best and most compelling game ITV have featuring an English side against a European heavyweight. Yes, they have Bayern v City on MD6 but I reckon both will have qualified by then. A game featuring an English side and a potential winner of the comp will not be overlooked.

They may well not show Chelsea in the six rounds, but would anyone dump Celtic v Barca or Arsenal v Napoli in MD2 for Chelsea's game? Would anyone dump Arsenal v Dortmund for Chelsea's game on MD3? And if Arsenal (who are in the toughest and best looking group) still need points on MD5 (which they surely still will) who is going to justify picking Chelsea at Braga (with CFC probably already through after 4 games) instead of Arsenal v Marseille? Chelsea have the easiest and most uninspiring group, that's the way the cookie crumbles. There's no need to fit them in just to get them on TV at the expense of a potentially crucial Arsenal game which will draw a far higher audience and mean alot more.

MD1 - United v Bayer
MD2 - Celtic v Barca
MD3 - Arsenal v Dortmund
MD4 - Real Sociedad v United
MD5 - Arsenal v Marseille or Braga v Chelsea
MD6 - Bayern v City

Not a bad set of games IMO.
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Old 30-08-2013, 13:16
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It's about having the best games for the biggest audience, not just picking teams so they don't feel left out.
If it were about getting the biggest audiences, you'd have three Man Utd games, and three Chelsea games.
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Old 30-08-2013, 13:27
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With United in Group A, they play on Tuesdays and thus are available to ITV, right? Or do the groups swap every gameweek?
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Old 30-08-2013, 13:37
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I'd be happy to put a heavy bet on the Chelsea game getting picked for MD3 and Arsenal MD5 (Chelsea will qualify easily and Arsenal might not).
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Old 30-08-2013, 13:49
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With United in Group A, they play on Tuesdays and thus are available to ITV, right? Or do the groups swap every gameweek?
It's not a straight case of 4 groups always play 1 day and the other 4 groups play the other day. Don't know if it swaps every matchday, but it does change.
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Old 30-08-2013, 13:53
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If it were about getting the biggest audiences, you'd have three Man Utd games, and three Chelsea games.
Actually, looking at the ratings for last years group stage matches on ITV, there is no clear pattern which suggests that Man Utd and Chelsea games will rate higher than other English sides (in fact 2 of the 3 highest rating games involved Man City)

Man City v Real Madrid – 4.7m
Man Utd v Cluj – 3.7m
Man Utd v Braga – 4.5m
Man City v Ajax – 4.0m
Juventus v Chelsea – 3.8m
Olympiakos v Arsenal – 3.0m

It seems pretty clear to me that the more attractive matches on paper attract higher ratings, as well as matches which turn out to be thrillers (Man Utd v Braga for example was 3-2). There is absolutely no chance that Schalke v Chelsea would rate higher than Arsenal v Dortmund and ITV would be foolish to pick Chelsea in this case.

It is about ratings for ITV but picking Man Utd and Chelsea everytime would not guarantee ratings, especially if they qualify early (just look at the Arsenal rating above once they had already qualified).
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Old 30-08-2013, 13:58
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With United in Group A, they play on Tuesdays and thus are available to ITV, right? Or do the groups swap every gameweek?
If United play Sociedad away on the Tuesday, they will play them at home on the Wednesday. And so on.
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Old 30-08-2013, 14:03
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If it were about getting the biggest audiences, you'd have three Man Utd games, and three Chelsea games.
'The best games for the biggest audience' is what I said, not simply the biggest audience.

Arsenal v Borussia Dortmund is a bigger looking game than Schalke v Chelsea, simple as that.
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Old 30-08-2013, 14:27
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That would mean ITV not showing Chelsea at all before Christmas, which isn't going to happen.

ITV has already picked its first two games:
Manchester Utd v Bayer Leverkusen
Celtic v FC Barcelona

I'd guess at Chelsea on MD3, City on MD4 and Arsenal on MD5, but those decisions won't be made until after MD2.
Good to see ITV have learnt from their mistakes by picking Celtic v Barca this season.

My picks are/would've been;

MD1 - Manchester United v Bayer Leverkusen
MD2 - Celtic v FC Barcelona
MD3 - Arsenal v Borussia Dortmund
MD4 - Real Sociedad v Manchester United (or go completely outside the box and choose Juventus v Real Madrid)
MD5 - Basel v Chelsea
MD6 - Bayern Munich v Man City or Manchester United v Shakhtar Donetsk

MD6 will be decided on who's qualification needs are greater, which I suspect may be Manchester United. If they've already qualified, and Man City have already qualified, I'd choose Bayern v Man City as it's the better of the two deadwood matches.

If ITV don't choose Arsenal v Dortmund on MD3, I will be surprised. It'll probably the most exciting game at the Emirates of the group stage, and it would be stupid to let a good game go. For MD4, the fixtures aren't great but they could always go for Man City v CSKA Moscow (don't know why) or Juve v Real which looks very tasty indeed.

It has to be said though that the draw was pretty kind yesterday (unless you're an Arsenal fan), and threw up some pretty nice groupings. Man Utd in a tricky but manageable group; Chelsea should win their group; Celtic will get knocked out and Man City should make it through. Possibility of 3 English teams making last 16 is good for the later rounds.
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Old 30-08-2013, 14:34
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ITV has already picked its first two games:
Manchester Utd v Bayer Leverkusen
Celtic v FC Barcelona
Quite surprised with the Celtic choice. Is this the first time since Rangers v Juventus was picked over Blackburn in 95/96 that a English team is not shown.
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Old 30-08-2013, 14:51
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For MD4, the fixtures aren't great but they could always go for Man City v CSKA Moscow (don't know why) or Juve v Real which looks very tasty indeed.
ITV are not going to pick a match not involving a British side if a British side is playing. There is no argument there.
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Old 30-08-2013, 14:51
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Quite surprised with the Celtic choice. Is this the first time since Rangers v Juventus was picked over Blackburn in 95/96 that a English team is not shown.
ITV are broadcasting to the whole of the uk and Celtic are based in the UK so ITV have every right to show the Celtic v Barcelona match.

For ITV to have just gone militarily with Arsenal v Napoli or Steaueu Bucharest ahead of Celtic v Barcelona would have been a big mistake.

Celtic v Barcelona will a gain a far bigger audience on ITV1 than Arsenal v Napoli or Steaueu Bucharest v Chelsea would do.
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Old 30-08-2013, 14:55
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Originally Posted by Ginger Daddy;6*****01
ITV are not going to pick a match not involving a British side if a British side is playing. There is no argument there.
I'm pretty sure ITV are obligated to pick a British side if a British side is playing.
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Old 30-08-2013, 15:07
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Originally Posted by david16

Celtic v Barcelona will a gain a far bigger audience on ITV1 than Arsenal v Napoli
You're joking right?

Originally Posted by Mark
I'm pretty sure ITV are obligated to pick a British side if a British side is playing.
They are.
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Old 30-08-2013, 15:13
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It's not a straight case of 4 groups always play 1 day and the other 4 groups play the other day. Don't know if it swaps every matchday, but it does change.
Every group has 3 matches on a Tuesday and 3 on a Wednesday.

But it's not entirely alternate. All 8 groups will play 2 Tuesday's in a row and 2 Wedbesday's in a row.

I think they do it to avoid a situation where the same 2 opponents play each other for 2 Tuesdays or 2 Wednesday's so they won't both be shown live on Sky or both live on ITV1.
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Old 30-08-2013, 15:18
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You're joking right?

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Whenever Barcelona are live on ITV1 in a champions league group game they usually attract a big audience.

ITV hold the live rights to British teams games in the champions league. Not just English teams games.

To suggest that Celtic v Barcelona deserves only the big match report at half time and full time on ITV1 and on radio five live similar AC Milan v Real Madrid or Bayern Munich v Inter Milan while Steauea Bucharest v Chelsea is live on ITV1 is ridiculous.
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Old 30-08-2013, 15:21
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Whenever Barcelona are live on ITV1 in a champions league group game they usually attract a big audience.
Not when 2 well supported English teams are playing at the same time on different channels they don't.


ITV hold the live rights to British teams games in the champions league. Not just English teams games.
Irrelevant to the point you made.
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Old 30-08-2013, 15:26
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I'm a bit busy this afternoon but someone might like to check the dates and then check BARB.

Last year Sky had this situation - ie 3 British games head to head all on Sky - ie Celtic v Barcelona + two other matches featuring English teams and I have a feeling the Celtic game did rate well vs the other two.

However I suspect (but am not sure so I may be wrong) Celtic was the main game on SS2 so arguably it benefitted from "SS2 main game" premium.

Anyway if anyone has a few mins check it out!
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Old 30-08-2013, 15:39
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I'm a bit busy this afternoon but someone might like to check the dates and then check BARB.

Last year Sky had this situation - ie 3 British games head to head all on Sky - ie Celtic v Barcelona + two other matches featuring English teams and I have a feeling the Celtic game did rate well vs the other two.

However I suspect (but am not sure so I may be wrong) Celtic was the main game on SS2 so arguably it benefitted from "SS2 main game" premium.

Anyway if anyone has a few mins check it out!
7th November 2012:

SS2 - Celtic v Barcelona - 475k
SS3 - Chelsea v Shakthar - 478k
SS4 - Braga v Man Utd - 662k

So Celtic rated the WORST (even with it being on SS2) however put the same three matches against each other this year and it probably won't as people will watch it expecting a shock to happen again.

Also the above was the average audience, would be interesting to see what the peak audience was for the last ten mins of each match.
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Old 30-08-2013, 15:45
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To suggest that Celtic v Barcelona deserves only the big match report at half time and full time on ITV1 and on radio five live similar AC Milan v Real Madrid or Bayern Munich v Inter Milan while Steauea Bucharest v Chelsea is live on ITV1 is ridiculous.
1. Please don't edit your post after I've quoted it.
2. I Specifically didn't quote Steauea v Chelsea from your previous post. (#112)

7th November 2012:

SS2 - Celtic v Barcelona - 475k
SS3 - Chelsea v Shakthar - 478k
SS4 - Braga v Man Utd - 662k

So Celtic rated the WORST (even with it being on SS2) however put the same three matches against each other this year and it probably won as people will watch it expecting a shock to happen again.
Yes and this was MD4 with Man Utd already coasting their group. The split would have been more if it was MD2. (And also if Man Utd were playing a bigger name than Braga...Say...Napoli..)
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Old 30-08-2013, 15:47
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And I believe Celtic play Barca on Matchday 2 again this year, however will be impossible to compare as ITV have it.
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Old 30-08-2013, 16:04
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7th November 2012:

SS2 - Celtic v Barcelona - 475k
SS3 - Chelsea v Shakthar - 478k
SS4 - Braga v Man Utd - 662k

So Celtic rated the WORST (even with it being on SS2) however put the same three matches against each other this year and it probably won't as people will watch it expecting a shock to happen again.

Also the above was the average audience, would be interesting to see what the peak audience was for the last ten mins of each match.
Many thanks for checking it out.

HOWEVER in fact the Celtic game didn't rate the worst.

- The Celtic rating is a programme average starting at 6pm
- The Chelsea rating is a programme average starting at 7.30pm
- The Man Utd rating is a programme average starting at 7.30pm

So the Celtic rating is massively pulled down by the extra 90 mins intro.

So the Celtic game in fact substantially outrated Chelsea and I think it was actually very close between Celtic and Man Utd.

If anyone has time - track down the ratings thread and see if any peaks or match averages were reported.

Of course the Celtic game was helped by being the SS2 main match but it is not as clear cut as it may appear.
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Old 30-08-2013, 16:16
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Yeah never considered the extra 90 minutes, In that case then you can easily say more people watched it than the Chelsea game for sure. Would need to know the splits to see if it was better than the Man U one.
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Old 30-08-2013, 16:23
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The Celtic v Barcelona figures were not the result of the boost of people hearing that Celtic had taken the lead.

The figures weren't just boosted by the scoreline.

The 475k will have seen Celtic scoring live v Barcelona.

For people to suggest most of the 475k will not have seen a goal being scored live is ridiculous.
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Old 30-08-2013, 16:28
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For people to suggest most of the 475k will not have seen a goal being scored live is ridiculous.
Err, who is suggesting that?
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