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#101 |
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That would mean ITV not showing Chelsea at all before Christmas, which isn't going to happen.
ITV has already picked its first two games: Manchester Utd v Bayer Leverkusen Celtic v FC Barcelona I'd guess at Chelsea on MD3, City on MD4 and Arsenal on MD5, but those decisions won't be made until after MD2. And you'd pick City v CSKA over Sociedad v United? Thank God you don't make the picks. It's about having the best games for the biggest audience, not just picking teams so they don't feel left out. Arsenal v Borussia Dortmund in MD3 is a definite IMO. That is the best and most compelling game ITV have featuring an English side against a European heavyweight. Yes, they have Bayern v City on MD6 but I reckon both will have qualified by then. A game featuring an English side and a potential winner of the comp will not be overlooked. They may well not show Chelsea in the six rounds, but would anyone dump Celtic v Barca or Arsenal v Napoli in MD2 for Chelsea's game? Would anyone dump Arsenal v Dortmund for Chelsea's game on MD3? And if Arsenal (who are in the toughest and best looking group) still need points on MD5 (which they surely still will) who is going to justify picking Chelsea at Braga (with CFC probably already through after 4 games) instead of Arsenal v Marseille? Chelsea have the easiest and most uninspiring group, that's the way the cookie crumbles. There's no need to fit them in just to get them on TV at the expense of a potentially crucial Arsenal game which will draw a far higher audience and mean alot more. MD1 - United v Bayer MD2 - Celtic v Barca MD3 - Arsenal v Dortmund MD4 - Real Sociedad v United MD5 - Arsenal v Marseille or Braga v Chelsea MD6 - Bayern v City Not a bad set of games IMO. |
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#102 |
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It's about having the best games for the biggest audience, not just picking teams so they don't feel left out.
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With United in Group A, they play on Tuesdays and thus are available to ITV, right? Or do the groups swap every gameweek?
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I'd be happy to put a heavy bet on the Chelsea game getting picked for MD3 and Arsenal MD5 (Chelsea will qualify easily and Arsenal might not).
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With United in Group A, they play on Tuesdays and thus are available to ITV, right? Or do the groups swap every gameweek?
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If it were about getting the biggest audiences, you'd have three Man Utd games, and three Chelsea games.
Man City v Real Madrid – 4.7m Man Utd v Cluj – 3.7m Man Utd v Braga – 4.5m Man City v Ajax – 4.0m Juventus v Chelsea – 3.8m Olympiakos v Arsenal – 3.0m It seems pretty clear to me that the more attractive matches on paper attract higher ratings, as well as matches which turn out to be thrillers (Man Utd v Braga for example was 3-2). There is absolutely no chance that Schalke v Chelsea would rate higher than Arsenal v Dortmund and ITV would be foolish to pick Chelsea in this case. It is about ratings for ITV but picking Man Utd and Chelsea everytime would not guarantee ratings, especially if they qualify early (just look at the Arsenal rating above once they had already qualified). |
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With United in Group A, they play on Tuesdays and thus are available to ITV, right? Or do the groups swap every gameweek?
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#108 |
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If it were about getting the biggest audiences, you'd have three Man Utd games, and three Chelsea games.
Arsenal v Borussia Dortmund is a bigger looking game than Schalke v Chelsea, simple as that. |
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That would mean ITV not showing Chelsea at all before Christmas, which isn't going to happen.
ITV has already picked its first two games: Manchester Utd v Bayer Leverkusen Celtic v FC Barcelona I'd guess at Chelsea on MD3, City on MD4 and Arsenal on MD5, but those decisions won't be made until after MD2. My picks are/would've been; MD1 - Manchester United v Bayer Leverkusen MD2 - Celtic v FC Barcelona MD3 - Arsenal v Borussia Dortmund MD4 - Real Sociedad v Manchester United (or go completely outside the box and choose Juventus v Real Madrid) MD5 - Basel v Chelsea MD6 - Bayern Munich v Man City or Manchester United v Shakhtar Donetsk MD6 will be decided on who's qualification needs are greater, which I suspect may be Manchester United. If they've already qualified, and Man City have already qualified, I'd choose Bayern v Man City as it's the better of the two deadwood matches. If ITV don't choose Arsenal v Dortmund on MD3, I will be surprised. It'll probably the most exciting game at the Emirates of the group stage, and it would be stupid to let a good game go. For MD4, the fixtures aren't great but they could always go for Man City v CSKA Moscow (don't know why) or Juve v Real which looks very tasty indeed. It has to be said though that the draw was pretty kind yesterday (unless you're an Arsenal fan), and threw up some pretty nice groupings. Man Utd in a tricky but manageable group; Chelsea should win their group; Celtic will get knocked out and Man City should make it through. Possibility of 3 English teams making last 16 is good for the later rounds. |
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ITV has already picked its first two games:
Manchester Utd v Bayer Leverkusen Celtic v FC Barcelona |
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For MD4, the fixtures aren't great but they could always go for Man City v CSKA Moscow (don't know why) or Juve v Real which looks very tasty indeed.
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Quite surprised with the Celtic choice. Is this the first time since Rangers v Juventus was picked over Blackburn in 95/96 that a English team is not shown.
For ITV to have just gone militarily with Arsenal v Napoli or Steaueu Bucharest ahead of Celtic v Barcelona would have been a big mistake. Celtic v Barcelona will a gain a far bigger audience on ITV1 than Arsenal v Napoli or Steaueu Bucharest v Chelsea would do. |
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Originally Posted by Ginger Daddy;6*****01
ITV are not going to pick a match not involving a British side if a British side is playing. There is no argument there.
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Originally Posted by david16
Celtic v Barcelona will a gain a far bigger audience on ITV1 than Arsenal v Napoli Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
I'm pretty sure ITV are obligated to pick a British side if a British side is playing.
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It's not a straight case of 4 groups always play 1 day and the other 4 groups play the other day. Don't know if it swaps every matchday, but it does change.
But it's not entirely alternate. All 8 groups will play 2 Tuesday's in a row and 2 Wedbesday's in a row. I think they do it to avoid a situation where the same 2 opponents play each other for 2 Tuesdays or 2 Wednesday's so they won't both be shown live on Sky or both live on ITV1. |
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You're joking right?
. ITV hold the live rights to British teams games in the champions league. Not just English teams games. To suggest that Celtic v Barcelona deserves only the big match report at half time and full time on ITV1 and on radio five live similar AC Milan v Real Madrid or Bayern Munich v Inter Milan while Steauea Bucharest v Chelsea is live on ITV1 is ridiculous. |
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Whenever Barcelona are live on ITV1 in a champions league group game they usually attract a big audience.
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ITV hold the live rights to British teams games in the champions league. Not just English teams games. |
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I'm a bit busy this afternoon but someone might like to check the dates and then check BARB.
Last year Sky had this situation - ie 3 British games head to head all on Sky - ie Celtic v Barcelona + two other matches featuring English teams and I have a feeling the Celtic game did rate well vs the other two. However I suspect (but am not sure so I may be wrong) Celtic was the main game on SS2 so arguably it benefitted from "SS2 main game" premium. Anyway if anyone has a few mins check it out! |
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I'm a bit busy this afternoon but someone might like to check the dates and then check BARB.
Last year Sky had this situation - ie 3 British games head to head all on Sky - ie Celtic v Barcelona + two other matches featuring English teams and I have a feeling the Celtic game did rate well vs the other two. However I suspect (but am not sure so I may be wrong) Celtic was the main game on SS2 so arguably it benefitted from "SS2 main game" premium. Anyway if anyone has a few mins check it out! SS2 - Celtic v Barcelona - 475k SS3 - Chelsea v Shakthar - 478k SS4 - Braga v Man Utd - 662k So Celtic rated the WORST (even with it being on SS2) however put the same three matches against each other this year and it probably won't as people will watch it expecting a shock to happen again. Also the above was the average audience, would be interesting to see what the peak audience was for the last ten mins of each match. |
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To suggest that Celtic v Barcelona deserves only the big match report at half time and full time on ITV1 and on radio five live similar AC Milan v Real Madrid or Bayern Munich v Inter Milan while Steauea Bucharest v Chelsea is live on ITV1 is ridiculous. 2. I Specifically didn't quote Steauea v Chelsea from your previous post. (#112) Quote:
7th November 2012:
SS2 - Celtic v Barcelona - 475k SS3 - Chelsea v Shakthar - 478k SS4 - Braga v Man Utd - 662k So Celtic rated the WORST (even with it being on SS2) however put the same three matches against each other this year and it probably won as people will watch it expecting a shock to happen again. |
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And I believe Celtic play Barca on Matchday 2 again this year, however will be impossible to compare as ITV have it.
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7th November 2012:
SS2 - Celtic v Barcelona - 475k SS3 - Chelsea v Shakthar - 478k SS4 - Braga v Man Utd - 662k So Celtic rated the WORST (even with it being on SS2) however put the same three matches against each other this year and it probably won't as people will watch it expecting a shock to happen again. Also the above was the average audience, would be interesting to see what the peak audience was for the last ten mins of each match. HOWEVER in fact the Celtic game didn't rate the worst. - The Celtic rating is a programme average starting at 6pm - The Chelsea rating is a programme average starting at 7.30pm - The Man Utd rating is a programme average starting at 7.30pm So the Celtic rating is massively pulled down by the extra 90 mins intro. So the Celtic game in fact substantially outrated Chelsea and I think it was actually very close between Celtic and Man Utd. If anyone has time - track down the ratings thread and see if any peaks or match averages were reported. Of course the Celtic game was helped by being the SS2 main match but it is not as clear cut as it may appear. |
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Yeah never considered the extra 90 minutes, In that case then you can easily say more people watched it than the Chelsea game for sure. Would need to know the splits to see if it was better than the Man U one.
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The Celtic v Barcelona figures were not the result of the boost of people hearing that Celtic had taken the lead.
The figures weren't just boosted by the scoreline. The 475k will have seen Celtic scoring live v Barcelona. For people to suggest most of the 475k will not have seen a goal being scored live is ridiculous. |
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For people to suggest most of the 475k will not have seen a goal being scored live is ridiculous. |
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