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That's a superb post.
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Given the aggressiveness of BT over the past 18 months I don't think we should be all that surprised that they went "hard" with the bid and we end up with the news today.
Obviously it is silly to moan about the loss of red button coverage etc at this stage - it is still 2 years until the deal comes into force which gives them plenty of time to work it out. I would be astonished if there isn't an equivalent service (if only because UEFA will surely have demanded it) Some difficult decisions for both BT when it comes to price - just how much more can BT charge non Broadband Customers & for those with Broadband how much more can they get? |
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When are the next CL Radio rights up for grabs, could we possibly see a Sky Radio bid for them?
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For BT this is effectively their first declaration of all out war on Sky's dominance of sport and to be honest, we've never seen Sky take such a huge blow to their sports portfolio and more importantly seen them on the back foot. This is a move that could seriously impact Sky's subscriber base come 2015 and especially if BT pull such another move in the next PL auction - that being said, it's going to be FAR more interesting to see how Sky retaliate as I don't think we've seen them in such a position before.
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It doesn't bother me either way who shows the CL, I have watched Sky and ITV over the years and will watch BT as I sub to that as well.
The only gripe I do have is that they get a multiroom deal as sometimes I get banished upstairs to watch the football in midweek as the women take over the TV in the living room. I don't have BT Broadband as the speeds they have are not comparable with the Virgin line i've got in. |
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When are the next CL Radio rights up for grabs, could we possibly see a Sky Radio bid for them?
Each home club owns the radio rights to their matches and sell to stations accordingly. The likes of talkSPORT and BBC Radio 5 Live will directly do deals with club for rights. |
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Not keeping up with the times seems BT charge £30 a month minimum, inclusive of that line rental you have to pay. £35 gets you ESPN and extra stuff like Discovery and Comedy central.
I'd thus suggest £40 will be the new minimum come 2015. A new financial regime may mean a change for Eurosport. So that may appear on BT too, far more unlikely is that it goes FTA on Freeview. |
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Not keeping up with the times seems BT charge £30 a month minimum, inclusive of that line rental you have to pay. £35 gets you ESPN and extra stuff like Discovery and Comedy central.
I'd thus suggest £40 will be the new minimum come 2015. A new financial regime may mean a change for Eurosport. So that may appear on BT too, far more unlikely is that it goes FTA on Freeview. Of course with Sky your getting this 'percieved' investment in terms of innovative apps, Sky Go, extensive HD on demand stuff that I don't see BT competing with in that sense. But then again how many of Sky's 'Sports' customers would pay for Sky Atlantic etc if they didn't have to have a basic package to get sports? |
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The only gripe I do have is that they get a multiroom deal as sometimes I get banished upstairs to watch the football in midweek as the women take over the TV in the living room.
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When is the Highlights deal going to be announced?
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Because more people are being priced out of watching football. Quite simple really.
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Indeed. I dare say those who are going on about how wonderful it is either have more money than they know what to do with, or more likely have Mummy and Daddy paying their subscription for them!
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How is that nail on head? It's a disaster for the viewer, how many people will be able to afford 2 subscriptions? The loss of FTA isn't good either. I can't think of a single good thing about this deal for the viewer.
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Indeed. I dare say those who are going on about how wonderful it is either have more money than they know what to do with, or more likely have Mummy and Daddy paying their subscription for them!
Or, that some of us use our money in a way that we see fit. Not everyone that has sports tv subscriptions are loaded or have mummy to pay for it and frankly, i find your comment rather rude! |
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Sorry if this has already been answered but...
Have BT got highlight rights as well or just live games? Could they show the hours goal round up that Sky currently do on both nights? |
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How is that nail on head? It's a disaster for the viewer, how many people will be able to afford 2 subscriptions? The loss of FTA isn't good either. I can't think of a single good thing about this deal for the viewer.
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To confirm what Dan Roan tweeted, BT must show games free to air in both competitions as part of this deal.
We'll find out later this morning how many, but I'd expect at least the same number of free to air games as under the current contracts. ![]() Quote:
" ITV is proud to have been the UK free to air broadcaster of the Champions League, since it launched in 1992, and of the Europa League, but we were not prepared to pay over the odds in the latest live rights round.
"Viewers will be able to continue to watch both competitions free on ITV through to 2015 and we remain the home of live England football." – An ITV spokesman comments on BT Sport's acquisition of UEFA rights. Quote:
At least BT have committed to showing some games FTA- if Sky had got the rights exclusively then I doubt they would have put anything FTA bar the final.
As has been mentioned earlier to appease the FTA audience BT could show a lesser game FTA every game week but I doubt that will happen. The majority of the group stage match days will have a FTA game with the knockout stages being pay only (bar the final). I fancy The Masters (all four days) will go to Sky as soon as the current deal is up. Anything that isn't on protected list and is FTA will likely be in Sky's sights now, the knock on connotations for all sports rights in the UK is massive after this announcement. I did read that Sky were prepared to make an offer to UEFA to sub-licence some games to ITV as part of the deal. Quote:
Im amazed at some of the OTT comments and reaction on this thread since last night!
One kicking off because BT doesn't have a red button service in place for a right cycle that doesn't come into effect for another TWO YEARS! Others saying its bad... How is it bad exactly? Its just dramatic comments for the sake of it in reality! Im glad ITV have lost rights, got sick of their ever increasingly poor coverage, poor presenters, commentary and ad-breaks every 4 minutes. Yes, BT is new to the game sorting its self out, ironing out some kinks, but given the choice of ITV or BT.. BT all day every day for me. Sky... Sorry, but they had it coming. They have been doing this to broadcasters for years, they're on the receiving end of it now and im sure they're tearing hair out because this, no matter how you dress it up, is a loss of epic proportion! UCL & UEL all in one place is a great move by UEFA. Oh dear. . . . Its not exactly top secret though so letting slip isn't really a bad thing I am fully aware that BT will show games FTA as part of this new deal. But position 3 (ITV) and position 57 (BT Sport Preview) in the EPG for Freeview are a country mile apart. That is the difference with this contract. There will be free games, but how many people will find and watch those free games remains to be seen. One thing that probably happen is that Sky will challenge the European Commission's decision to split the Premier League rights between a minimum of 2 broadcasters. I would expect they challenge it, so that when the next contract comes up, they can go for 100% of the rights and cut BT off. |
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Is Darke exclusively on BT now? Sky really should poach him back for the football and boxing which he is excellent at commentating on.
He is basically their lead commentator and has the FA Cup, decent prem games which could get better at the next rights, and off course will get to cover the champion's league and hopefully the final. He has landed on his feet with the new company and I wouldn't rule out Boxing being shown on BT soon as well. |
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https://twitter.com/rogermosey
Intrestingly former BBC Head of Sport Roger Mosey is tweeting regarding todays news, he is they guy who unsucessfully tried to bid for the CL highlights last time round, his tweets suggest that the BBC is unlikely to bid for the highlights. |
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I am fully aware that BT will show games FTA as part of this new deal. But position 3 (ITV) and position 57 (BT Sport Preview) in the EPG for Freeview are a country mile apart. That is the difference with this contract. There will be free games, but how many people will find and watch those free games remains to be seen.
One thing that probably happen is that Sky will challenge the European Commission's decision to split the Premier League rights between a minimum of 2 broadcasters. I would expect they challenge it, so that when the next contract comes up, they can go for 100% of the rights and cut BT off. If people want them, they will find them.. It doesn't stop other channels on all EPG's getting decent audiences. Regarding the PL rights split, that expired a few years ago. The PL does it its self now |
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Your average Freesat viewer would not use non-Freesat mode.
It would need to be on the EPG, but would BT splash out for a few matches per year? Non-freesat mode isn't exactly rocket science and I hope that Freesat viewers would have the intellectual wherewithall to be able to perform what is a relatively straightforward task. All BT have to do is put the relevant Astra 2F parameters on their website for all to see along with a note telling viewers to refer to their manual on how to add free to air channels. *I strongly suspect that we're going to see noticeably fewer free to air games when compared with the current ITV schedule and that neither benefits free TV nor Sky TV viewers so I think that some of the "BT Sport = good, Sky Sports = bad" sentiment that has been expressed in this thread is most definitely misplaced. Quote:
According to Owen Gibson of The Guardian on Twitter, Sky are rumoured to have offered £500m for exclusivity over the three years, while ITV are rumoured to have offered £188m to keep what they had. BT paid £897. Absolutely overpaying in my view. The competition isn't worth that much.
They'll have to start recouping this cash sooner rather than later at this rate, or it will end in tears for BT Retail. Also, let's stop it with the 'hopefully the end for Sky' nonsense. BT will only pick up where Sky leave off if the worst happens, and become a big pay-TV providr. Basically, it'll be 'BSkyB version 2'. Finally, it's worth stating that the rumours of Sky Sports' death are greatly exaggerated. |
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Finally, it's worth stating that the rumours of Sky Sports' death are greatly exaggerated.
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*I strongly suspect that we're going to see noticeably fewer free to air games when compared with the current ITV schedule
You won't be seeing your Man City-Bayerns and your Arsenal-Dortmunds on the BT Sport Freeview channel. |
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Just now on Sky News there were talking about the deal and Sky accusing BT of over inflating the price and Sky was not prepared to pay.
Total pot calling the kettle black, Sky have been doing it for 20 years to elimate competition. |
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I'm really interested now in finding out what quota of games BT have to release for FTA viewing, and at which stages of the comp they have agreed to release them. If it's merely group stages then it will have a massive impact. The group stages are fun but the comp really only properly kicks in when the knock-out stages start in February.
I would argue that this season so far there have been only 3 games involving English sides that would be considered 'big time' games. The Arsenal v Dortmund games and the Man City v Bayern game were big type games, but apart from that? Chelsea and Man United are in groups with no real big time games and I'm ignoring non-English games because there is no incentive for them to be FTA in the group stages because they wouldn't draw big audiences. It raises two questions. a. Are the rights really as valuable as BT think given that half of the comp involves relatively few big time games and the second half of the comp gives no guarantees of big games involving English sides? b. If the 'FTA' games are primarily the group games then will UEFA be happy with this given that the 'money' games will all be behind a paywall with small audiences and the resulting lack of 'watercooler' feel with the national population as a whole? |
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