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popeye13
10-11-2013
Originally Posted by lundo:
“I reckon richardson is going to be too busy with serie a, bundesliga, ligue one, prem, champ league....nwhat's happened to marcotti?”

I don't get why folks like Marcotti... He talks utter tripe.
Plus, would be too expensive for Channel 4.
Gordie10
10-11-2013
I tell ya what - the trailer Sky Sports are running ahead of the forthcoming Ashes series takes on a whole new meaning given today's events.

"Everything you ever wanted, and ever feared, is out there. The hope, the expectation. If you don't fight hard enough, it will be ripped from you."
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEYp1z4GQWw
lundo
10-11-2013
Originally Posted by popeye13:
“I don't get why folks like Marcotti... He talks utter tripe.
Plus, would be too expensive for Channel 4.”

yeah true but he hasn't done a hand gesture a la ginola, so where has he gone?
RobSmithS
10-11-2013
Originally Posted by lundo:
“yeah true but he hasn't done a hand gesture a la ginola, so where has he gone?”

I thought I was witnessing the beginning of one of those at the 28 sec mark of the announcement reading (watch behind his left shoulder)!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=xMG1njElnYA
PatrickMcG
10-11-2013
Hang on a second, this nonsense about the BBC not being able to satisfy UEFA's sponsorship commitments is just folly.

The BBC broadcast the UEFA European championships. They broadcast the FIFA World Cup and successfully show Formula 1 - a sport that chases the sponsorship buck like no other. When you watch those events on BBC you see all the same logos and sponsors names as you would on ITV or Sky/BT. The programme/coverage just isn't sponsored obviously which is a GOOD thing.

Plus I think the £1b UEFA have just made from BT will cushion any blow from sponsorship commitments if the highlights go to BBC - but as I said already its a none issue as far as I'm concerned, especially when it comes to highlights.

So if the BBC win the highlights I wonder if they would package the games under MOTD banner or... perhaps even down the old Sports Night brand, got to love the theme tune!!

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NuzbQ5g...%3DNuzbQ5g94io
Gordie10
10-11-2013
Originally Posted by PatrickMcG:
“The programme/coverage just isn't sponsored obviously which is a GOOD thing.”

That's the key difference.

All Champions League programmes, across the whole of Europe, are heavily sponsored by UEFA's sponsors for the competition as a while. It also appears to be mandatory to show adverts for these companies during breaks.

With UEFA's European Championships, however, sponsorship on ITV is of their coverage of the tournament, not sponsorship of the tournament itself, so this must mean ITV obtain the sponsorship, not UEFA.

Different situations.
KarlHyde
10-11-2013
Originally Posted by Gordie10:
“All Champions League programmes, across the whole of Europe, are heavily sponsored by UEFA's sponsors for the competition as a while. It also appears to be mandatory to show adverts for these companies during breaks.”

In Germany, public channels ARD and ZDF aren't allowed to show ads (or sponsorship trailers) after 20:00 CET. Some people thought the Champions League would never be shown on public TV for that reason - but ZDF still managed to buy the rights.

They are, however, showing a 10-minute CL magazine at 19:25 CET on matchdays, to accomodate ads. The actual build-up for the live match doesn't start until 20:25.
polantic
10-11-2013
Originally Posted by Mr Newshound:
“http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/f...r-8930769.html”

Deary me. Michael Calvin is rarely off BT's Life's a Pitch and he may be offered permanent residency after this love letter.

I'd take his gossip with a pinch of salt.
stej86
10-11-2013
Jake Humphrey, Tim Lovejoy and Matt Dawson positively glowing at the fantastic news for BT Sport.

Tim Lovejoy "We do have an announcement to make, its a very exciting announcement, this is really good for us, i think your all like this. The announcement is BT wins all live UK TV rights to the UEFA Champions League and UEFA Europa League. Thats exclusive live rights, how amazing is that. - Jake Humphrey and Matt Dawson can then be heard in background gasping with glee

Matt Dawson "Get in there, thats fantastic"

Jake Humphrey " Its huge news, amazing!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMG1njElnYA
BigFoot87
10-11-2013
Originally Posted by gamez-fan:
“Must admit i'd prefer if the BBC got the highlights with no ad breaks surely the coverage would be longer for each game”

I can see it now:

Daily Wail: "BBC WASTE MONEY ON CHAMPIONS LEAGUE HIGHLIGHTS!!!"
Chris1964
10-11-2013
Originally Posted by BigFoot87:
“I can see it now:

Daily Wail: "BBC WASTE MONEY ON CHAMPIONS LEAGUE HIGHLIGHTS!!!" ”

True. Although DM would add just about anything on the end of a sentence which began "BBC WASTE MONEY ON.......

If the BBC do get the highlights they would be then following the story of all major domestic(from league 2) and international football with the exception of England qualifying games (not sure about Europa League). Quite an achievement.
adman50
10-11-2013
Another thought. The press release doesn't say the highlights package is Free to air. So how about british eurosport or even at a push the Sun Website, remember they have the premier league goals.

Finally it does say they have actually been awarded, but not to who. If it was ITV I think it would have been announce at the same time. AS in BT awarded the live rights, ITV to continue with highlights etc.
pixel_pixel
10-11-2013
So how many years are BT Sport going to have to wait for all the money they have spent on rights to turn a profit?
Hup_73
10-11-2013
Originally Posted by pixel_pixel:
“So how many years are BT Sport going to have to wait for all the money they have spent on rights to turn a profit?”

It's not about BT Sport making a profit, it's about BT Retail making a profit. BT's whole retail business model was under threat from Sky and Virgin, and if BT hadn't entered this market then 'doing nothing' could have had a serious impact on their profits.

Even small gains in broadband numbers could be seen as a success as it maintains their position as number 1 in the market.
hard_to_beat
10-11-2013
Originally Posted by Hup_73:
“It's not about BT Sport making a profit, it's about BT Retail making a profit. BT's whole retail business model was under threat from Sky and Virgin, and if BT hadn't entered this market then 'doing nothing' could have had a serious impact on their profits.

Even small gains in broadband numbers could be seen as a success as it maintains their position as number 1 in the market.”

But not at any price, surely? If they (BT) fail to gain the majority of PL rights next time, including all first picks, I'd be seriously worried about exactly what this means if I'm a BT shareholder - Sky aren't exactly famous for letting sleeping dogs lie.
NeilVW
10-11-2013
The boss of BT is said to be a football nut. I wonder if heart ruled head to some extent.
BigFoot87
10-11-2013
Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“The boss of BT is said to be a football nut. I wonder if heart ruled head to some extent.”

A significant number of Pay-TV customers are football nuts.
PaulLFC
10-11-2013
BT will be paying £279 million a year from 2015 (since they already paid the £60 million deposit), so this would be what they'd have to charge their customers extra, to cover the whole amount if:

- Every customer paid the extra charge
- They don't cover any of it with another income source
- They don't take a part loss on it to attract customers.

Basically, it has zero chance of happening, but here are the numbers anyway:

1 million paying customers - extra £23.25 per month per customer
1.5 million paying customers - extra £15.50 per month per customer
2 million paying customers - extra £11.63 per month per customer
2.5 million paying customers - extra £9.30 per month per customer
3 million paying customers - extra £7.75 per month per customer
3.5 million paying customers - extra £6.64 per month per customer
4 million paying customers - extra £5.81 per month per customer

If those numbers say anything to me it's that BT will have to find a way of covering part of the cost somehow, because while they do apparently have around 4 million customers already across all platforms that they could charge a fiver a month to and cover most of the cost, not everyone is going to pay it - so they'll need another source of revenue, or to take a loss.
Hup_73
10-11-2013
Originally Posted by PaulLFC:
“BT will be paying £279 million a year from 2015 (since they already paid the £60 million deposit), so this would be what they'd have to charge their customers extra, to cover the whole amount if:

- Every customer paid the extra charge
- They don't cover any of it with another income source
- They don't take a part loss on it to attract customers.


Basically, it has zero chance of happening, but here are the numbers anyway:

1 million paying customers - extra £23.25 per month per customer
1.5 million paying customers - extra £15.50 per month per customer
2 million paying customers - extra £11.63 per month per customer
2.5 million paying customers - extra £9.30 per month per customer
3 million paying customers - extra £7.75 per month per customer
3.5 million paying customers - extra £6.64 per month per customer
4 million paying customers - extra £5.81 per month per customer

If those numbers say anything to me it's that BT will have to find a way of covering part of the cost somehow, because while they do apparently have around 4 million customers already across all platforms that they could charge a fiver a month to and cover most of the cost, not everyone is going to pay it - so they'll need another source of revenue, or to take a loss.”

Yeah, the 2 points you've made (in bold) are key here. Firstly, they'll potentially use rises in some of their other products to cover some of the costs. Plus with a lot of their services (where the cost to BT is reducing) keeping the price the same actually makes BT more money.

Plus secondly, they may run this as a loss leader while they build a foothold in the market and build up subscriptions (Sky did this for years as they tried to establish themselves). If BT did this, they still come in with £billions in profit even if it was reduced!!!
BenFranklin
10-11-2013
I would imagine the next PL rights auction is going to be decisive in deciding BT's future business plan
RobSmithS
10-11-2013
Could Sky go back to some rights that they abandoned particularly some mild/relatively minor UK live sport they covered until fairly recently (and which they previously covered for multiple years) as an alternative venture to paying an unprofitable £1.1 billion to win the CL rights?

I have posted (a longer version!) of this query as post #17 here:
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showt...6#post69692006

(Didn't know which was the better thread to post it on as it is more on topic with What Will Sky Do Now? but didn't want all the posters on here to overlook it as a question)
DUNDEEBOY
10-11-2013
Originally Posted by BenFranklin:
“I would imagine the next PL rights auction is going to be decisive in deciding BT's future business plan”

Yes if bt get the bigger package sky are suddenly become the equivalent of espn
PaulLFC
10-11-2013
I have a feeling BT will chuck most of their resources at the Sunday 4pm package - but so will Sky. BT have more resources, its whether they value the package as highly as Sky does. If they manage to keep what they have now, and add Sunday 4pm, they're suddenly in a dominant position football-wise, as far as big matches go.

I know we keep saying "X auction will be interesting in seeing what it means for Sky/BT" but this really is the big one, I think.
F1Ken
10-11-2013
Now if I was ITV Sport, my number 1 priority would be to bloody well get these highlights, because otherwise they will have no regular presence what so ever, just England games and some other qualifiers.

I think the BBC need to focus on what they have got, because I expect their Sport's rights to be pecked away at.

Is it me or does this make ITV losing the FA cup seem even worse? That FA contract was always going to be the easier cheaper one to go for and they lost it to a financially restrained BBC that nobody gave a chance. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but they never had a chance here, it was always going to be BT.

As for sky, they have plenty left in the bag to keep going. They have a huge variety of Top sport all year around to fall back on. I don't think their subscriber numbers will be hit at all.

Ken
PaulLFC
10-11-2013
Originally Posted by F1Ken:
“Now if I was ITV Sport, my number 1 priority would be to bloody well get these highlights, because otherwise they will have no regular presence what so ever, just England games and some other qualifiers.

I think the BBC need to focus on what they have got, because I expect their Sport's rights to be pecked away at.

Is it me or does this make ITV losing the FA cup seem even worse? That FA contract was always going to be the easier cheaper one to go for and they lost it to a financially restrained BBC that nobody gave a chance. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but they never had a chance here, it was always going to be BT.

As for sky, they have plenty left in the bag to keep going. They have a huge variety of Top sport all year around to fall back on. I don't think their subscriber numbers will be hit at all.

Ken”

I doubt Sky will see much of a drop, if any. The next Premier League rights will be crucial though. If BT win more first picks, Sky will start worrying. Big if, though.
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