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kendoguk
10-11-2013
Ive just got home and heard the news l, have BT got all ten rights? If so how are they gonna show 8 live matches like sky do at the same time?
Glenn A
10-11-2013
Originally Posted by F1Ken:
“Now if I was ITV Sport, my number 1 priority would be to bloody well get these highlights, because otherwise they will have no regular presence what so ever, just England games and some other qualifiers.

I think the BBC need to focus on what they have got, because I expect their Sport's rights to be pecked away at.

Is it me or does this make ITV losing the FA cup seem even worse? That FA contract was always going to be the easier cheaper one to go for and they lost it to a financially restrained BBC that nobody gave a chance. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but they never had a chance here, it was always going to be BT.

As for sky, they have plenty left in the bag to keep going. They have a huge variety of Top sport all year around to fall back on. I don't think their subscriber numbers will be hit at all.

Ken”

ITV have placed too much importance on football, which means they now have little to show on their main channel sportswise after 2015( the IPL and the TT are too niche for ITV). They really should never have pulled out of boxing and athletics in the nineties.
Jokanovic
10-11-2013
Originally Posted by kendoguk:
“Ive just got home and heard the news l, have BT got all ten rights? If so how are they gonna show 8 live matches like sky do at the same time?”

It's been asked before. Its two years away. Plenty of planning time to sort it out.
Jokanovic
10-11-2013
Originally Posted by Glenn A:
“ITV have placed too much importance on football, which means they now have little to show on their main channel sportswise after 2015( the IPL and the TT are too niche for ITV). They really should never have pulled out of boxing and athletics in the nineties.”

I wonder if they would dare go for a PL live package next time around ?
derek500
10-11-2013
Originally Posted by Jokanovic:
“I wonder if they would dare go for a PL live package next time around ?”

At £6m a match (current prices) there wouldn't be enough ad revenue to cover it.
SouthCity
10-11-2013
Originally Posted by Jokanovic:
“I wonder if they would dare go for a PL live package next time around ?”

No - these are way out of reach financially for any FTA channel. Sky & BT will get the packages between them.

Crozier said they weren't interested in PL rights last time round because the ad revenue would never cover the cost of the rights.

Originally Posted by Glenn A:
“ITV have placed too much importance on football, which means they now have little to show on their main channel sportswise after 2015( the IPL and the TT are too niche for ITV). They really should never have pulled out of boxing and athletics in the nineties.”

The athletics meetings that ITV were showing in the 1980s wouldn't get much of an audience these days. Only the World Championships & the Olympics are worth bothering with for the main ITV channel and the BBC have both of these.

Pay TV has priced most of boxing out of reach of terrestrial TV, Sky Sports & Sky Box Office have all the big fights.
pixel_pixel
10-11-2013
Apart from the highest monetary bid for rights, are any other considerations taken into account? Such as quality of programme vehicle for particular sport.
tiger2000
10-11-2013
Originally Posted by pixel_pixel:
“Apart from the highest monetary bid for rights, are any other considerations taken into account? Such as quality of programme vehicle for particular sport.”



Lets face it, if Animal Planet had bid £1 more they would have got the rights, we have to keep the superstars up to their necks in Bentley's after all!
david16
10-11-2013
Originally Posted by SouthCity:
“No - these are way out of reach financially for any FTA channel. Sky & BT will get the packages between them.

Crozier said they weren't interested in PL rights last time round because the ad revenue would never cover the cost of the rights.



The athletics meetings that ITV were showing in the 1980s wouldn't get much of an audience these days. Only the World Championships & the Olympics are worth bothering with for the main ITV channel and the BBC have both of these.

Pay TV has priced most of boxing out of reach of terrestrial TV, Sky Sports & Sky Box Office have all the big fights.”

The live Friday night athletics in the 1980's started on ITV1 at 8pm and then came on channel 4 at 8.55pm I recall.
SouthCity
10-11-2013
Originally Posted by david16:
“The live Friday night athletics in the 1980's started on ITV1 at 8pm and then came on channel 4 at 8.55pm I recall..”

That's right - except for viewers in Wales who had to wait until nearly midnight for part 2 on S4C. It was a bit frustrating at 8.55pm when Jim Rosenthal was advising everyone to switch over to 4 for more great athletics.
square_eyes
10-11-2013
Originally Posted by F1Ken:
“Is it me or does this make ITV losing the FA cup seem even worse? That FA contract was always going to be the easier cheaper one to go for and they lost it to a financially restrained BBC that nobody gave a chance. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but they never had a chance here, it was always going to be BT.”

According to some posts on here, ITV were muscled out of the FA Cup bidding as BT would only share the rights with the BBC.

BT want exclusivity on their rights, and where they have to share (ie. FA Cup is on the protected list) they don't want it to be with another commercial broadcaster.

Sky don't seem to mind sharing their rights with other commercial broadcasters. And that's ITV's best hope of getting a foothold back into FA Cup if Sky become a competitive bidder again for that contract.

But I don't see any FTA broadcaster ever getting hold of European club football again, that battleground will now be between the pay TV big-boys.
THOMO
10-11-2013
Originally Posted by square_eyes:
“According to some posts on here, ITV were muscled out of the FA Cup bidding as BT would only share the rights with the BBC.

BT want exclusivity on their rights, and where they have to share (ie. FA Cup is on the protected list) they don't want it to be with another commercial broadcaster.

Sky don't seem to mind sharing their rights with other commercial broadcasters. And that's ITV's best hope of getting a foothold back into FA Cup if Sky become a competitive bidder again for that contract.

But I don't see any FTA broadcaster ever getting hold of European club football again, that battleground will now be between the pay TV big-boys.”

0nly the FA Cup Final is on the protected list, not the earlier rounds of that competition.
Ian.
d'@ve
10-11-2013
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adman50
10-11-2013
Originally Posted by square_eyes:
“According to some posts on here, ITV were muscled out of the FA Cup bidding as BT would only share the rights with the BBC.

BT want exclusivity on their rights, and where they have to share (ie. FA Cup is on the protected list) they don't want it to be with another commercial broadcaster.

Sky don't seem to mind sharing their rights with other commercial broadcasters. And that's ITV's best hope of getting a foothold back into FA Cup if Sky become a competitive bidder again for that contract.

But I don't see any FTA broadcaster ever getting hold of European club football again, that battleground will now be between the pay TV big-boys.”

Is that correct? At the time the FA stated that the BBC bid the most for the FTA, package. Itv were concentrating on england matches.
It is highly likly ITV were saving money for the champions league. It was not to unreasonable for them to assume that a CL FTA package would be available. They came a cropper because they didn't expect BT to bid so much.
BMR
10-11-2013
Originally Posted by allthingsuk:
“Channel 4 with James Richardson fronting coverage if there's going to be a BT Sport tie-up with the highlights. ”

According to the mail on Sunday today some games have to be shown live FTA as well. Not sure if that means on one of the big five or any FTA channel?
alanwarwic
10-11-2013
Originally Posted by BigFoot87:
“A significant number of Pay-TV customers are football nuts.”

The significant amount of moans about it tells us that many will now pay twice.

Obviously the majority who are not all that fussed can now choose a deal that better suits them.
Sky might even have to price its entertainment packages more realistically.

Again for those who are not so fussed they can be bad value.
jake lyle
10-11-2013
I wonder when the highlights announcement will be?
Zaphodski
10-11-2013
Originally Posted by FusionFury:
“I prefer the Champion's League so I might subscribe to BT sports and ditch Sky's £25 a month sub. BT still have PL games too. I can't imagine BT ever going to £25 a month.”

There's an easy way around all of this moaning about Sky / BT costing the football fan more. Pay per team. Now I accept that there are some football junkies who have all the time in the world and will watch any footy match. However there must be plenty who are like me and are only interested in one team. I currently have Sky Sports (on a six month half price promotion with Sky Movies) and BT Sports (as I'm a BT BB customer). Now when the Sky sub ends so does Sports and Movies and if BT start charging for sports so will that. As a semi casual sports fan I'm just not interested in enough to make it worth the money. Cricket and golf send me to sleep. However if there was a reasonably priced season ticket to watch my team then that would entice me to sign up. So would many others. This could be widened to cover the whole of a particular sport. For example, pay the cricket sub if that's all you are interested in. Pay the Liverpool sub if that's all you are interested in. All that needs to happen is linking viewing card to channel to date on an individual program basis. The technology exists. The trick is getting the business model right.
Chris1964
10-11-2013
Originally Posted by SouthCity:
“No - these are way out of reach financially for any FTA channel. Sky & BT will get the packages between them.

Crozier said they weren't interested in PL rights last time round because the ad revenue would never cover the cost of the rights.



The athletics meetings that ITV were showing in the 1980s wouldn't get much of an audience these days. Only the World Championships & the Olympics are worth bothering with for the main ITV channel and the BBC have both of these.

Pay TV has priced most of boxing out of reach of terrestrial TV, Sky Sports & Sky Box Office have all the big fights.”

....and taken much of the casual national interest with it.
mogzyboy
10-11-2013
Have the Irish CL/EL rights been awarded yet? Could Sky not bid for exclusivity on those? They currently broadcast their coverage to the Republic through their UK rights yes? So, is it completely beyond the realms of possibility that they could do the reverse with Irish rights?

My initial thought would obviously be no, but thought it was worth posing the question.
Chris1964
10-11-2013
Originally Posted by Glenn A:
“ITV have placed too much importance on football, which means they now have little to show on their main channel sportswise after 2015( the IPL and the TT are too niche for ITV). They really should never have pulled out of boxing and athletics in the nineties.”

They wanted to reposition themselves as the home of terrestrial live football. Thus F1 was jettisoned and the FA Cup and Europa League were acquired. Overall an impressive number of live games, but its all unravelled in a few months and they now face a lean period bar England games. So will they want to be involved in the future? I don't think BT will be in any mood to lose FA Cup in five years time and that may help the BBC-assuming the government hasn't destroyed it by then. There may not be any easy routes back in as BT wont be giving up the ECL in any hurry.
redandwhiterob
10-11-2013
Originally Posted by mogzyboy:
“Have the Irish CL/EL rights been awarded yet? Could Sky not bid for exclusivity on those? They currently broadcast their coverage to the Republic through their UK rights yes? So, is it completely beyond the realms of possibility that they could do the reverse with Irish rights?

My initial thought would obviously be no, but thought it was worth posing the question.”

I am sure the BT contract is water tight
SouthCity
10-11-2013
Originally Posted by Chris1964:
“They wanted to reposition themselves as the home of terrestrial live football. Thus F1 was jettisoned and the FA Cup and Europa League were acquired. Overall an impressive number of live games, but its all unravelled in a few months and they now face a lean period bar England games. So will they want to be involved in the future? I don't think BT will be in any mood to lose FA Cup in five years time and that may help the BBC-assuming the government hasn't destroyed it by then. There may not be any easy routes back in as BT wont be giving up the ECL in any hurry.”

The FA Cup rights were acquired before F1 was jettisoned. According to various posts on here the Europa League was relatively cheap for ITV.

No terrestrial channel is going to outbid Sky for the F1 rights. Sky is paying £25 million per year for these rights and even if the BBC licence fee was increased Sky would just up its bid to retain the rights it currently holds.

The days of all F1 races being shown live on terrestrial TV are over.
square_eyes
10-11-2013
Originally Posted by SouthCity:
“The days of all F1 races being shown live on terrestrial TV are over.”

I expect BT will come in big for those rights as well (assuming they are still in business by then ), and they'll want exclusivity. I think the days of any F1 on terrestrial will soon be numbered.

These 2 pay TV giants are going to hoover up all the non-protected rights in an ongoing ding dong, leaving the FTA broadcasters with a few scraps.
Glenn A
10-11-2013
Originally Posted by derek500:
“At £6m a match (current prices) there wouldn't be enough ad revenue to cover it.”

Also would they really antagonise the eight million Corrie fans for a million who would want to sit through a 0-0 draw on a January night?
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