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AZZURRI 06
04-09-2013
Originally Posted by Dr2Pat:
“Good choice by ITV to pick Celtic v Barcelona over Arsenal v Napoli or Steaua Bucharest v Chelsea.

Ratings are important, but maybe ITV want to cover a game in a stadium that has an atmosphere and passion, unlike the Emirates, and Parkhead on a Champions League night is the best in the world, and has been said so last season by the likes of Lionel Messi, Andrea Pirlo, even ex-Rangers men like Graham Souness and Ray Wilkins.

And you never know, there may well be a repeat of last season, and Celtic provide a shock result and prove that just because the rest of Scottish football is poor, Celtic are not a pub team as some say and can be, and are competitive in Europe.

They got out a group last year that no one said they could and done better than English Champions Man City and European Champions Chelsea, who really should have got out their group, let's be honest.

Maybe it's just me, but it seems that there is a lot of wishful thinking by bitter English fans for Celtic not to do well, just so the English teams look better than what they actually are, as proved last season when Celtic done better than City and Chelsea and got knocked out at the same stage as Man U and Arsenal.

Sorry if i've had a bit of a rant, but I feel it needed to be said.
I'm just glad Celtic got picked by ITV over Chelsea and Arsenal, for once.”

Good points well made.
KarlHyde
05-09-2013
ZDF have confirmed their picks for matchdays 1 to 3 (free to air on 19.2E):

18/09 Napoli v Dortmund
02/10 Man City v Bayern
23/10 Bayern v Plzen

Possible live games on matchdays 4 to 6:
06/11 Dortmund v Arsenal or Chelsea v Schalke
27/11 CSKA v Bayern (5pm) or Leverkusen v Man Utd.
11/12 Schalke v Basel or Marseille v Dortmund

The fact that Bayern are shown twice on matchdays 2&3 makes it more likely that Leverkusen v Man Utd gets shown on MD5 (unless Leverkusen has nothing to play for by then).
mlt11
06-09-2013
"UEFA has awarded al-Jazeera the UEFA Champions League and UEFA Europa League media rights for the 2015–18 cycle in the Middle East and North Africa."

http://www.uefa.com/uefa/events/mark...d=1991112.html
PaulLFC
06-09-2013
Originally Posted by mlt11:
“"UEFA has awarded al-Jazeera the UEFA Champions League and UEFA Europa League media rights for the 2015–18 cycle in the Middle East and North Africa."

http://www.uefa.com/uefa/events/mark...d=1991112.html”

Does this mean the UK rights will also be decided around now, or does each deal get decided at a different time? It'll be interesting to see if BT decide to bid when the UK rights are up for grabs.
mlt11
07-09-2013
Originally Posted by PaulLFC:
“Does this mean the UK rights will also be decided around now, or does each deal get decided at a different time? It'll be interesting to see if BT decide to bid when the UK rights are up for grabs.”

UEFA stagger the tender process for different countries so they don't all happen at once.

However we already know that the UK tender is expected before the end of this year - per statement made by Jeremy Darroch (Sky MD).
The Wanderer
07-09-2013
Originally Posted by PaulLFC:
“Does this mean the UK rights will also be decided around now, or does each deal get decided at a different time? It'll be interesting to see if BT decide to bid when the UK rights are up for grabs.”

They get announced at different times. I can't remember hen it was last time but for the 2009-12 deal that was announced early 2008. (around March)
Igloo_Man
19-09-2013
Quote:
“Uefa, football’s European governing body, has invited bids for the media rights in Denmark, Norway and Sweden to the Uefa Champions League and Super Cup club football competitions.”

http://www.sportbusiness.com/tv-spor...es-scandinavia
coventrywooo
20-09-2013
highlights on sky sports 4 on a friday again, just 15 mins long for each match though, they used to be 30 mins....
mlt11
28-09-2013
Sale says UK tender for CL 2015/18 is being issued next week.

(Plus a bit of froth re ITV being worried re all rights being Pay in France but they've known that since the 2012/15 French rights were awarded).

Anyway the closing date is normally 4 weeks after the tender is issued so we could get a result within approx the next 6 weeks.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/art...ts-Agenda.html
popeye13
28-09-2013
Originally Posted by mlt11:
“Sale says UK tender for CL 2015/18 is being issued next week.

(Plus a bit of froth re ITV being worried re all rights being Pay in France but they've known that since the 2012/15 French rights were awarded).

Anyway the closing date is normally 4 weeks after the tender is issued so we could get a result within approx the next 6 weeks.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/art...ts-Agenda.html”

I guess now is the time to see if BT REALLY are going to go for the CL and if so, what they come away with.

Regarding ITV, i seriously hope they lose out, their coverage is nothing short of a sham BUT id like to see games FTA.
Not going to be Channel 5 or BBC and Channel 4 doesn't have the cash to spend on another big sports rights deal after the Paralympic Games.. Which leaves ITV
Although could we see Sky & BT as the winners... We'll see.
jda135
28-09-2013
Originally Posted by popeye13:
“I guess now is the time to see if BT REALLY are going to go for the CL and if so, what they come away with.

Regarding ITV, i seriously hope they lose out, their coverage is nothing short of a sham BUT id like to see games FTA.
Not going to be Channel 5 or BBC and Channel 4 doesn't have the cash to spend on another big sports rights deal after the Paralympic Games.. Which leaves ITV
Although could we see Sky & BT as the winners... We'll see.”

Bit harsh. Their coverage isn't great, but then again it's no worse than C4's Athletics coverage in 2011 and current Horse Racing coverage.

I think ITV do need to win it again, and to do so, they may need to play it smart. As some have mentioned, BT and the BBC seem to be getting quite friendly with each other over the past few months, so ITV might try and do the same with Sky to keep CL rights. Wouldn't be a bad thing for ITV.
loyalsince
28-09-2013
Its a long time in advance. Sky at the moment are heavily promoting the champs lge, i imagine this would stop if they lost the rights. Next year would be odd.
Judio
28-09-2013
An advert in the Paper for Football on Sky shows that ITV will have the following 2 matches

Matchday 3 Arsenal v Dortmund

Matchday 4 Sociedad v Man United
bluesdiamond
28-09-2013
Originally Posted by mlt11:
“Sale says UK tender for CL 2015/18 is being issued next week.

(Plus a bit of froth re ITV being worried re all rights being Pay in France but they've known that since the 2012/15 French rights were awarded).

Anyway the closing date is normally 4 weeks after the tender is issued so we could get a result within approx the next 6 weeks.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/art...ts-Agenda.html”

Is the Final still FTA in France?
Though money is important to UEFA a FTA blackout on the final would seem counter productive after all the fuss of moving finals from Wednesday to Saturday to increase audience and I assume sponsorship.
I assume to placate Sponsors of Champions League France still has FTA highlights of the rest of the competition?
Although IF they got the right revenues form Pay TV could Sponsors money become irrelevant in the future?
loyalsince
28-09-2013
Originally Posted by bluesdiamond:
“Is the Final still FTA in France?
Though money is important to UEFA a FTA blackout on the final would seem counter productive after all the fuss of moving finals from Wednesday to Saturday to increase audience and I assume sponsorship.
I assume to placate Sponsors of Champions League France still has FTA highlights of the rest of the competition?
Although IF they got the right revenues form Pay TV could Sponsors money become irrelevant in the future?”

I presume that there would be FTA highlights. It is a big gamble. I am too lazy (or more accuratly busy) to look into the revenue generated by sponsorship, but would imagine that the pay TV bid would have to be very, very big for CL to go pay only.

If terrestrial get one first pick FTA, then the other first pick is the only package worth alot. i.e. Sky/BT need first pick one night
bluesdiamond
28-09-2013
Originally Posted by loyalsince:
“I presume that there would be FTA highlights. It is a big gamble. I am too lazy (or more accuratly busy) to look into the revenue generated by sponsorship, but would imagine that the pay TV bid would have to be very, very big for CL to go pay only.

If terrestrial get one first pick FTA, then the other first pick is the only package worth alot. i.e. Sky/BT need first pick one night”

From what I can see over various articles.

sponsors revenue us about £320 million
total revenue with tv rights £1,600 million

so about 20% is Sponsors,
singhss1
28-09-2013
See Sky Sports advertising heavily this week, stating they are showing all four english clubs. Is this a first for them with ITV showing Celtic.
KarlHyde
28-09-2013
Originally Posted by bluesdiamond:
“Is the Final still FTA in France?”

Yes, it's on TF1.
BenFranklin
28-09-2013
My feeling is if BT decide they want CL, its there for them, UEFA might insist on the final being on FTA, but beyond that I doubt it means that much to them.
mogzyboy
28-09-2013
Will UEFA go for the higher bidders here? I know it sounds like a silly question, as the answer should be 'yes', but do they value a long-term broadcast partner more than, say, the PL or whatever.

Would they, for example, accept a lower bid from Sky to retain a Sky/ITV split, rather than a higher bid from BT for a BT/ITV split? Obviously, BT will be a couple of years older by the time the next rights cycle starts, but the tender proces is imminent, as that DM article suggests.
Ads
28-09-2013
Originally Posted by BenFranklin:
“My feeling is if BT decide they want CL, its there for them, UEFA might insist on the final being on FTA, but beyond that I doubt it means that much to them.”

It would be a shame if terrestrial tv lost its coverage, but that is what has recently happened in France. Also in the last UEFA championships, nearly all the non Spain games were shown on pay tv, rather than terrestrial. So there is evidence that UEFA tend to just follow the money rather than worry about those without pay tv subscriptions.
casinoman13
28-09-2013
Originally Posted by mogzyboy:
“Will UEFA go for the higher bidders here? I know it sounds like a silly question, as the answer should be 'yes', but do they value a long-term broadcast partner more than, say, the PL or whatever.

Would they, for example, accept a lower bid from Sky to retain a Sky/ITV split, rather than a higher bid from BT for a BT/ITV split? Obviously, BT will be a couple of years older by the time the next rights cycle starts, but the tender proces is imminent, as that DM article suggests.”

Why would they not go for the highest bidder?

In this day and age money talks and I have no doubt if BT came up with mega money UEFA will bite their hands off for it.

BT would perhaps love a joint bid with BBC, I know very little chance, but on this one I really can see the rights being given to Sky and BT even if Sky virtually keep what they have.

If Im right in saying ITV got their rights fairly cheaply in this day and age, so BT will no doubt put a vastly improved bid in and if talk is anything to go by then BT will bid big.
mogzyboy
28-09-2013
Originally Posted by casinoman13:
“Why would they not go for the highest bidder?

In this day and age money talks and I have no doubt if BT came up with mega money UEFA will bite their hands off for it.

BT would perhaps love a joint bid with BBC, I know very little chance, but on this one I really can see the rights being given to Sky and BT even if Sky virtually keep what they have.

If Im right in saying, ITV got their rights fairly cheaply, in this day and age, so BT will put a vastly improved bid in and if talk is anything to go by then BT will bid big.”

I suspect you're right. ITV have no terrestrial competiton for the rights. The BBC will never get the CL, as they can't show adverts, and I'm not sure C4/C5 can afford it.

BT would have to pull their finger out considerably if they want to cover CL. When I watch it, I expect serious analysis and excellent punditry for such a high profile competition, and BT don't sem to want to offer that currently, at least on the evidence of their PL overage so far. They seem to treat it as if it's a day out with the family. Anyway, that's for another thread...
casinoman13
28-09-2013
Originally Posted by mogzyboy:
“I suspect you're right. ITV have no terrestrial competiton for the rights. The BBC will never get the CL, as they can't show adverts, and I'm not sure C4/C5 can afford it.

BT would have to pull their finger out considerably if they want to cover CL. When I watch it, I expect serious analysis and excellent punditry for such a high profile competition, and BT don't sem to want to offer that currently, at least on the evidence of their PL overage so far. They seem to treat it as if it's a day out with the family. Anyway, that's for another thread...”

Agreed, apart from Ian Darke and Ray Stubbs they lack serious experience......but as you say...
mlt11
28-09-2013
It's impossible to predict what will happen but if forced to put money on it I think ITV will retain.

I think UEFA will put at least some value on keeping one game per matchday FTA.

One other little pointer could be the FA Cup. If ITV thought they were likely to lose the CL then I think they would have made more of an effort to retain the FA Cup. Whereas BBC actually got the FTA FA Cup rights pretty cheaply (as did BT the Pay rights).

OK, the FA Cup isn't a key property for ITV but I don't think they would want to lose the FA Cup and the CL. That would reduce their ITV(1) football to 8 England games per season (plus WC/EC finals) - plus possibly later stages of EL though of course that is going to auction as well.

Especially when ITV is doing so well financially at the moment. Although I guess it could be argued much of the improvement is due to cost cutting and running the business in a much more business like manner - which means not losing money on sports rights.

But at the same time losing the FA Cup and the CL would give ITV a very different feel.
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