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gs1
15-09-2015
Originally Posted by Super_Steve:
“As soon as figures start to drop in what is one of, if not THE biggest television market then sponsors will start to get itchy. A few million less pairs of eyes on a product every week is a big deal.”

Per" Mark.", "Nissan signed their deal with UEFA after the rights were awarded to BT"

Of the 8 sponsors (I don't have info for the others), Sony, Mastercard & Unicredit all renewed their Champions League sponsorships subsequent to the BT deal, and PepsiCo (Walkers, Pepsi MAX and Gatorade) became a sponsor after the BT deal.

More context in the discussion at: http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showt...=#post79413658 .
singhss1
15-09-2015
Are ITV allowed to show a match delayed in the early hours like they used to back in the days?
mogzyboy
15-09-2015
Originally Posted by Mr Newshound:
“You are answering a different question to the one actually asked.

I asked how you knew that James Richardson wouldn't be prominent.

The honest answer is that you don't.

The honest answer is that you were jumping to ill-formed conclusions before the BT deal was even announced.

The honest answer is that you were one of those taking issue with the Clare Balding audience clapping while David James made his "point".

What makes your latest assumptions any more credible?”

My assumption was that they'd use more or less the same team for the CL as they do the PL. That is, I think you'll find, an assumption that has turned out to be correct. That wouldn't be a problem if the PL team were a strong line-up of people. Clearly Lineker is good enough, but not many of the rest are.

I didn't say anything about The CB Show. I wasn't interested in it. I've never seen it, and won't be commenting on it or the audience's clapping.

I don't think JR fronting the goals show is a very prominent role at all. It's a show that's on BT's fourth channel, and the fact is viewers are more likely to watch Soccer Special on SSN anyway.
citytillidie
15-09-2015
Originally Posted by Cricketblade:
“Seems some people still think bt are chasing ratings. No. They are chasing people who will pay just to have the option of having the games not necessarily watching every week.”

I know I pay and will not be watching any games tonight might watch one tomorrow night but as a Liverpool fan i will be watching their game on Thursday
Mr Newshound
15-09-2015
Originally Posted by mogzyboy:
“I didn't say anything about The CB Show. I wasn't interested in it. I've never seen it, and won't be commenting on it or the audience's clapping.”

Oh yes, you really did.
Originally Posted by mogzyboy:
“Exactly that.”

mo.dilwar
15-09-2015
Originally Posted by All Of Me:
“You don't spend the amount of money BT Sport have spent for exclusive Champions League rights for let's say 600k ratings. If ratings for the English clubs don't reach 1 million you can be sure BT won't be jumping for joy it will be Sky.”

It's my understanding that BT have paid less per match for Champions League than they pay for Premier League matches.

So, if they got comparable ratings to their Premier League viewing figures, they'll be more than happy.

Meanwhile Sky are subscribing to BT Sports so that a couple of their Soccer Special guests can watch and report on the two Manchester club's matches.
mogzyboy
15-09-2015
Originally Posted by Mr Newshound:
“Oh yes, you really did.”

I think it's pretty obvious that I'm agreeing with Mark's overall point there - y'know, the one about BT not doing the competition justice.

It's a point that still stands today.
Mark.
15-09-2015
Originally Posted by Mr Newshound:
“Oh yes, you really did.”

In fairness, he was responding to a point I made.

At the time, that's exactly how BT presented their football coverage. Humphrey smirking away, trying to look "cool" while the pundits made a point. There was also a midweek match when Rio Ferdinand was interrupted by the Clare Balding audience applauding.

And to a certain extent, it's still how they present the Premier League, albeit without the risk of Clare Balding's audience applauding (they present at the ground now). And admittedly Humphrey has toned it down a bit.

But they seem to be going for something completely different with the Champions League. Signing up Lineker was the first indication of that. Only time will tell, though, if they do indeed have the required gravitas.
Glob_blob
15-09-2015
Originally Posted by mo.dilwar:
“I beg to differ.

5 main Sky Sports channels and a dedicated F1 channel is over kill.”

Rubbish it's not overkill if there were less channels then more content will be behind the red button so more people complaining it's not in HD
gs1
15-09-2015
Originally Posted by Cricketblade:
“Seems some people still think bt are chasing ratings. No. They are chasing people who will pay just to have the option of having the games not necessarily watching every week.”

Indeed, and the Champions League is the casual element of the equation for BT customers. The commitment is foremost, to taking telephone/broadband/fibre from BT, rather than another provider. At that point, the option of access to the Champions League games is the casual element of the equation- from £0 to £5 per month!
Glob_blob
15-09-2015
I have sky sports and subscribed to BT sport at start of August and have not watched anything on BT sport apart from 4PL games. Think I might cancel subscription for BT sport
samburrows
15-09-2015
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“gravitas.”

Probably the perfect adjective here.

Initially, the launch of BT Sport was accompanied by a distinct marketing line of being something different to Sky Sports. Less hyperbole, much more family friendly, using that cavernous studio in Stratford to present games very differently etc. I'd say Humphreys was signed for exactly this purpose, the clean cut "Newsround" style presenter who doesn't look like he's about to go out with the Soccer Saturday boys for "a bit of banter" after the programme. This also came around the time of the Keys & Gray video leaks which opened up a nice space for BT to try and pitch into using the above.

Things are different now. For whatever reason, especially since they announced the Champions League deal, the coverage has changed considerably towards that of a "serious sports broadcaster". I would agree that it isn't as polished or professional as Sky Sports but actually, it has remained distinct without ever becoming "Sky Lite" or too frivolous. The addition of Linekar completely underlines the change in direction, this is a sports broadcaster which wants to be taken seriously. Sky Sports in its current form would never employ someone like James Richardson because of his irreverence however he's a fantastic journalist who really adds to the BT coverage.

Now, if only they would get rid of Savage, Owen, Ferdinand and a few of the other ex-pros who really aren't in the same league!
casinoman13
15-09-2015
Originally Posted by mogzyboy:
“They certainly don't 'better' them. Rae, Champion, Darke and Brotherton are all very good, but the rest...

But, unfortunately, 3 of those 4 won't get anywhere near the main games, especially when the competition gets interesting from February.”

Really? well at least you agree that the line up is not inferior but I would still say Champion, Rae and Brotherton better than Hawthorne, Crocker and Leslie.

And sorry but as far as presenters goes, with the exception of Stelling, BT look far stronger.
FusionFury
15-09-2015
For some reason with no ITV big match build up on terrerstial TV, it doesn't feel like a Champion's League night to me.. my childhood is Clive, Ron Atkinson and Andy Towsend behind a back of a tactics truck.. oh those was the crazy glory days
singhss1
15-09-2015
Originally Posted by Glob_blob:
“I have sky sports and subscribed to BT sport at start of August and have not watched anything on BT sport apart from 4PL games. Think I might cancel subscription for BT sport”

Milan derby, Roma Juventus?
PaulLFC
15-09-2015
Originally Posted by mogzyboy:
“My assumption was that they'd use more or less the same team for the CL as they do the PL. That is, I think you'll find, an assumption that has turned out to be correct.”

No it isn't.

Retained from PL coverage
Humphrey
Owen
Savage
Darke
Fletcher
Stubbs

And now for additions and promotions...

Presenters
Lineker - New
Smith - New
Richardson - Goals show
Hipgrave - Europa League main presenter
Currie - Scottish football presenter

Pundits
Ferdinand - More prominent role in coverage
Scholes - More prominent role in coverage
Hargreaves - More prominent role in coverage
Gerrard - New
Hoddle - New since CL details announced
Redknapp - New since CL details announced

Laurens - Goals show
Honigstein - Goals show
Horncastle - Goals show
Brassell - possibly Goals show

Commentary
McManaman - Now on commentary instead of punditry
Bower
Brotherton
Drury
Summerton
Pearce
Rae

Co-commentary
Robson
Ekoku
Nevin
Hutchison
Mills

Reporters
Kelly - New this season, promoted from panel shows
Chowdhury - New this season, promoted from SportsHub
Barbour - Scottish football reporter


There's probably more I haven't listed.

Your statement that your assumption it would be mainly the PL team "has turned out to be correct" is plain wrong.
Ginger Daddy
15-09-2015
Originally Posted by mo.dilwar:
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Meanwhile Sky are subscribing to BT Sports so that a couple of their Soccer Special guests can watch and report on the two Manchester club's matches.”

Sky are the owners of the Sky platform, I doubt they have to subscribe to any channel on the Sky platform
casinoman13
15-09-2015
Originally Posted by PaulLFC:
“No it isn't.

Retained from PL coverage
Humphrey
Owen
Savage
Darke
Fletcher
Stubbs

And now for additions and promotions...

Presenters
Lineker - New
Smith - New
Richardson - Goals show
Hipgrave - Europa League main presenter
Currie - Scottish football presenter

Pundits
Ferdinand - More prominent role in coverage
Scholes - More prominent role in coverage
Hargreaves - More prominent role in coverage
Gerrard - New
Hoddle - New since CL details announced
Redknapp - New since CL details announced

Laurens - Goals show
Honigstein - Goals show
Horncastle - Goals show
Brassell - possibly Goals show

Commentary
McManaman - Now on commentary instead of punditry
Bower
Brotherton
Drury
Summerton
Pearce
Rae

Co-commentary
Robson
Ekoku
Nevin
Hutchison
Mills

Reporters
Kelly - New this season, promoted from panel shows
Chowdhury - New this season, promoted from SportsHub
Barbour - Scottish football reporter


There's probably more I haven't listed.

Your statement that your assumption it would be mainly the PL team "has turned out to be correct" is plain wrong.”

I rest my case on the line up being no way inferior to Sky and in certain circumstances are better.
LOSG
15-09-2015
Originally Posted by Jason C:
“I don't know; Super League, greyhound racing, anything that Sky Sports normally shows as live midweek filler.”

What would be the point of spending the money on a full OB when you know at least 90% of your potential audience would be watching another channel.

The same reason is why Sky (across Sky 1, Atlantic etc) don't show any premium first watch entertainment on a Saturday night, because everyone is watching BBC and ITV.
arunan22
15-09-2015
Originally Posted by casinoman13:
“I rest my case on the line up being no way inferior to Sky and in certain circumstances are better.”

All opinions of course. I certainly wouldn't say the line up is better in many places, but to be fair the only real weak point BT have in its coverage is co-comms. They have sorted out issues with commentators, graphics, presentation style and pundits - if they can get a few decent co-comms and 1 'big name' co-comm.

My main issue will come for the 'big games' - except for Linekar and Darke, BT don't really have the personnel to rise to the occasion. In my opinion, BT is still slightly a level below Sky, but with their recent additions, its less of an issue than it used to be.
Jason C
15-09-2015
Originally Posted by LOSG:
“What would be the point of spending the money on a full OB when you know at least 90% of your potential audience would be watching another channel. ”

Well, I'm not overly sure it would be as high as that - but even if it was, that would still leave some proportion of the audience available to watch Sky output.

The point is, though, that it would create a schedule which doesn't so blatantly scream "we know we can't compete against Champions League viewing so we're essentially shutting up shop during that time".

Even simulcasting At The Races output of live US horse racing - which wouldn't cost them a penny - would be an improvement on showing sports-related entertainment shows.
The Wanderer
15-09-2015
Originally Posted by Ginger Daddy:
“Sky are the owners of the Sky platform, I doubt they have to subscribe to any channel on the Sky platform ”

Sky's boxes I know at one point didn't have BT Sport activated, that might have changed. They do have an internal IPTV system though, which does have the BT channels
Judio
15-09-2015
No bitterness from Richard Keys !!!


Big night also for everybody @btsport. Hope it goes well for you guys. It needed shaking up.
d'@ve
15-09-2015
Originally Posted by Ginger Daddy:
“Sky are the owners of the Sky platform, I doubt they have to subscribe to any channel on the Sky platform ”

Of course they do, and at a full commercial (not domestic) rate as well. If they want to watch legally, they have to subscribe. Glad to see they are not trying to ignore the matches though, that would have been really stupid... though they only mention the Championship on their Soccer Special programme content banner!
Glob_blob
15-09-2015
Originally Posted by Judio:
“No bitterness from Richard Keys !!!


Big night also for everybody @btsport. Hope it goes well for you guys. It needed shaking up.”

keys is just a child and needs to grow up
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