eh ?

A head butt and a shove from one Hanz famwhores while they are stomping about is physical contact. They removed Eddie in Season 2 for drunkenly holding a knife to Krista's throat while they were up "flirting" one night. On the other hand they let Dick get away with all kinds things like pouring a drink over someone's head. Little miss slow witted Jordan chest bump another person
If all about being tough and taking on the language whey are they so afraid to broadcast it and have the House Guests challenged on it after they leave? Own if you're gonna go there.

ETC.

That had to of been said tongue in cheek? how much intention can we assume from these conversations. I simply can't believe these we're plans in the making and not idol chit chat. It sounds grotesque.

On the upside, watching the evening news right now, and Aaryn being fired for racist comments was mentioned. They didn't go into details of what she said, but it's being covered. The pity is they only mentioned her, not any of the others.

Apparently GIGI has now been fired.....that will be an awk interview!

Yep good news indeed. I wonder why BBUS has not implemented some basic rules of conduct which can result in removal for aggressive language. Is it maybe the Free Speech argument?

The disclaimer they issue every time something like this happens is the same one news programs use when airing an editorial - the opinions expressed here are not necessarily those of the station or broadcast company.

There is no law that would make anything they've said illegal - it might be immoral and reprehensible, but it is their legal right to say it. It is everyone else's legal right to fire them, tear them to shreds on social media and disown them when they leave the house. Beyond that, this is what they signed up for.

Right but don't BB, CBS or whoever is responsible for airing the program feel a responsibility to it's viewers to shield them from un-savoury language, or attitudes.

I keep hearing American Celebs coming on British Talk Shows and being shocked that we are allowed to say S**t on Prime time Tv. American Tv therefore is in some ways more censored than British Tv. Obviously not in the case of BBUS though.

The First Amendment does guarantee the right to free speech in the public square. However it does not guarantee one cannot be challenged on their speech. It simply means they cannot be prosecuted by the government for speech. However their exceptions including shouting fire in a crowded, uttering terrorist or death threats. If an employee starts shouting obscenities in the work place it is well within the rights of the employer to fire them. If an employee makes controversial statements on any form of media or in public their employer is not violating any laws should they chose to fire them. (see Paula Deen) Thus if BB chose to reprimand or remove those House Guests they wouldn't be violating any Constitutional rights or any laws.

So why don't they remove these hm's?. C5 would be under pressure by the Tv regulator Ofcom had these events taken place in BBuk not to mention the public's response. If they can legally remove them, but choose not to then they feel no responsibility for what they broadcast to the public. Or perhaps don't see it as such a big deal.

Because the FCC operates differently than Ofcom. If BB showed a boob or let an unbleeped swear during a prime time network broadcast air then there would be boycotts and outrage. See Janet Jackson at the Super Bowl or Bono at the Grammy's.
As the live feed isn't broadcast on the airwaves but rather through paid streaming the FCC wouldn't have any governance over it anyway.

These comments aren't made on tv, unless they happen to slip into bb After Dark (our equivalent of the BB Live that was cancelled last week). Even then, BBAD is never on a broadcast channel, only on a subscription cable channel, which means FCC exempt. Our live stream, aside from the 2 hrs of AD each night, is entirely online.

Apparently, it is all assumptions and exaggerations. And if I understood correctly, It is generally "they" who choose to self-identify as black.

I guess Flight815-23D mistakes the fact that bi-racial persons in the United States are allowed to choose their race when a census is called upon, as proof of their individual right to choose and thus, institutional racism not being in play.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but no U.S. court or legislator follows this self-identifier policy. Sure, since 1960, a biracial person can tick a box to determine their race, but when it comes down to your race been legally identified in court, It is all based on the " 1/4, 1/8, 1/32 rule" all the way down to the "one drop rule". There are no in-betweens, you are either white or black. Which was my whole point about been perplexed about this rigid and no in-between affair.

This is going to come as quite a shock to the Asian, Native American, Inuit and Hispanic communities... Have you told them, yet?

Mate, seriously, why are you moving goal post. The context of my initial comment and last comment is as clear as day.

Oh Wow, What can I even say here. After 14 seasons of BBUS there have been some controversial comments made, but NOTHING compared to the HM's of season 15. Many long time fans of BB, I have watched from BB1 forward, are really upset that CBS and affiliates are not at the very least showing the true side of many of these HM's on the extremely edited broadcast during prime time. Much less evicting them for their comments.

I have watched BBUK faithfully for the past 4 years. We saw recently Jemima get a warning on what is so "trivial" here in the US to say, but should not be. I just don't know anymore. This is a sad commentary for the US to be showing.

Many think these Arseholes were cast against "some" decent ones to bring drama. If so, that miserably failed as someone here posted all the comments that decent Americans would never make and media attention is growing. They are not representative of my circle of family and friends. I bought live feeds, I do every year, but after day 5 I just stopped watching them much and watch BBUK HL and BBOTS as I am embarrassed. First time in 15 SEASONS and I am not a prude. Okay, I did watch the HOH Comp tonight and then closed it. I admit to that.

All who are in this thread that are baffled by this continuing with no repercussions, please note that as Americans many of us feel the same way. We are not all like this as portrayed and feel disgustingly filthy that this group is showing by words and actions what they are.

To clear one comment up; a Fag Hag can be a term of endearment if a female is close to one or more then one Gay Man. I joke about being one as my best friend for 24 yrs is.

I appreciate your comments and was delighted to see 2 HM's today loose their jobs because of their comments and I do not take loosing livelihood's lightly, but if they are so disrespectful on a 24/7 feed that they are stupid enough to be so vile then they deserve it, period.


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And all of this because someone 6000 miles away decided that the woman being harassed with anti-black racist slurs isn't really black. I suppose, though, that all this rambling tangent is WAY more important, though

Want to talk about moving the goals? What's the point of justifying the comments in the house by suggesting the target doesn't count?

He leant his head slowly on his so it wasn't actually the head butt you make out. Even Joe admitted it was nothing later, though of course he made a big deal about it at the time. Not that I mind him being ejected he was struggling in there after being totally isolated and crappy coach Britney not being much help. You don't like all the Hantz family, I think that shows you are bringing some irrational hatred into this.


lol at you in a forum that is full of bigotry and prejudice which I hate but which is allowed unfortunately (as long as it isn't on racial or sexual lines obviously).

Justifying comments in the house? Who here is justifying any of those vile assertions.

On the topic of discussion, I think your finally getting there but purposely chosen to diddle in an effort to save face.


This is where my whole comments stems from. And as to why society at large and the courts automatically recognize people with; a white and black parent, 3 white grandparents and a black grandparent and in some few cases, a family tree full of white great grandparents but one black great grandparent as automatically black.

All I wanted to press upon, in regards to bi-racial persons is that, there are racist norms and laws which are still prevalent today and yet to change long after slavery and Jim Crow America.

fwiw, i still think conor was a racist and won't change my mind.


the bunch in question in this house seem to be at best base-level human waste. some truly awful stuff from some seemingly awful people.

it's good that their actions are already resulting in bad things on the outside though.


re freedom of speech; i've always thought of it like this - there are no banned words, so say what you want.

all i'd then say is that once you do, be prepared for others to take offence at what you've said and see you for what you really are.


sometimes it's better to let stupid people run their mouths. it's the silent bigots that you need to watch out for.

Most people on this forum think Jemima shouldn't have been warned, people also think that there have been instances on British BB were HMs have been ejected way too soon just because of the fear of the tabloids (ironic when you think of their bigotry, but there is plenty of hypocrisy in Britain). Of course someone like Dennis in BB8 was evicted correctly straight away.

And why would you expect primetime American TV to show the same things as on live stream, it won't happen as mainstream American TV is extemely conservative and will even blur someone's mouth if they utter a swear word. I think warnings and fines of what someone is paid to be on the show are better than evicting someone except in extreme circumstances, it is meant to be reality TV and we are meant to see all sides of people. The producers knew who they were putting into the house

Candice, the human being at the heart of this conversation, attended a HBC. She promotes herself as the first black woman to win the Miss Louisiana title, and will forever go down in history for that, something which is a HUGE step forward for civil rights there, even if it seems petty on the surface to those who deride pageants. She is an adoptee, raised by her adoptive white parents, but born to two black parents, and maintaining a relationship with both.

This woman is the source of all this whinging about people "not being black enough", right up to your ludicrous rant that everyone is either black or white, but shouldn't be.

She identifies herself as a black woman, and is proud of it. When she is faced with multiple racial slurs on a live broadcast, and likely will have no idea she is being subjected to them until months later, your reaction isn't to offer an opinion on the slurs, but rather to go on a lengthy diatribe about people not being black enough to be called black in your expert opinion.

Now examining all that, are you perhaps starting to clue in on why I don't take you seriously at all? It's like watching someone complain about vehicle tax at the scene of a gruesome car accident.

My point had little to do with people not "being black enough" or "white enough" to be classified as white or black.
If said person wants to identify themselves as black, white, or biracial, that's said person's prerogative to do so. And that's what we can all hope for.

But more to do with societal norm and Juridical norm in the United states to classify persons who might share a single traceable African ancestry as black.
There was an earlier comment by another forum member, who was as perplexed as I was about why somebody like Mariah Carey ,who shares an Irish mother, a mixed race black Latin father, is socially regarded as a black woman.

I might be quibbling over semantics to you, but make no mistake, the likes of Derek Jeter , Barack Obama and the Halle Berry's of this world been refereed to as black people is a form of institutionalized racism. Which has juridical merit and continue to do so, long after the 1/8 blood-fraction law in Virginia in 1705 or the absolute diabolical "One drop rule" in 1910 Tennessee.

I get your point of view, but however trivial you might find mine to be, let's just agree to disagree.

From this morning.

3:02 AM Kaitlin: "I'm going to kick Candice's black a**." NT

3:53 AM Aaryn: "GinaMarie doesn't even know that Nick is a queer".

I haven't been able to watch the US BB now I'm so angry at their casting. I will NOT watch it now. I will not give them ratings nor accept that these racists and homophobes should be allowed to stay in the house. If they didn't know who they were putting in they know who they are now. It's unacceptable. FULL STOP.