I'm sure the last few years the interviews have been in the final episode, looks like they have changed it round this year.
I thought the interviews were the last week
Originally Posted by dazza89:
“I'm sure the last few years the interviews have been in the final episode, looks like they have changed it round this year.”
“I'm sure the last few years the interviews have been in the final episode, looks like they have changed it round this year.”
They have put it back to the way it used to be
Apparently interviews will be penultimate with two selected to compete against each other in the final episode, presumably with all the fired contestants joining them. Not quite sure how that is supposed to work if the task winner has a business plan SirAl doesn't like; I presume the task will have to be a subjective rather than objective one so they can twist the result to favour the stronger business plan...
I prefer the interviews being the final episode. I often never saw the point of the final task as it never seemed to mean anything. Because if you win the task does'nt mean you will win the overall competition.
Originally Posted by neutralned:
“Apparently interviews will be penultimate with two selected to compete against each other in the final episode, presumably with all the fired contestants joining them. Not quite sure how that is supposed to work if the task winner has a business plan SirAl doesn't like; I presume the task will have to be a subjective rather than objective one so they can twist the result to favour the stronger business plan...”
“Apparently interviews will be penultimate with two selected to compete against each other in the final episode, presumably with all the fired contestants joining them. Not quite sure how that is supposed to work if the task winner has a business plan SirAl doesn't like; I presume the task will have to be a subjective rather than objective one so they can twist the result to favour the stronger business plan...”
They had this format in every year except the last two. The task doesn't decide the winner of the series, it just acts as a deciding factor. He takes everything into account.
Bear in mind also that the final task is generally not quanitifiable in terms of selling £X of goods or generating Y number of orders. It's generally decided in a subjective way - who did 'better'?. In other words, the final task can be cut and edited to support either finalist being the winner - as is widely known, they shoot both possible endings in the final boardroom to keep the result a secret from everyone until just before the final broadcast.
Originally Posted by slouchingthatch:
“Bear in mind also that the final task is generally not quanitifiable in terms of selling £X of goods or generating Y number of orders. It's generally decided in a subjective way - who did 'better'?. In other words, the final task can be cut and edited to support either finalist being the winner - as is widely known, they shoot both possible endings in the final boardroom to keep the result a secret from everyone until just before the final broadcast.”
“Bear in mind also that the final task is generally not quanitifiable in terms of selling £X of goods or generating Y number of orders. It's generally decided in a subjective way - who did 'better'?. In other words, the final task can be cut and edited to support either finalist being the winner - as is widely known, they shoot both possible endings in the final boardroom to keep the result a secret from everyone until just before the final broadcast.”
I find that the task has almost no effect on proceedings actually. That's one of the reasons I generally find the final to be my least favourite part of the series. Aside from the boardroom it's all irrelevant. Especially in the knowledge that it's decided after a different unseen process.
Besides, by the time interviews end, I find I've seen everything I need to in terms of making my mind up and getting to know the finalists. I don't think the final adds anything really.
Five is at least one too many for the interview round. It leaves insufficient time to see each candidate's business plan discussed, and (probably the bit that will be cut short) the interviewers' reports back to Lord Sugar.
Originally Posted by Dr. Linus:
“I find that the task has almost no effect on proceedings actually. That's one of the reasons I generally find the final to be my least favourite part of the series. Aside from the boardroom it's all irrelevant. Especially in the knowledge that it's decided after a different unseen process.
Besides, by the time interviews end, I find I've seen everything I need to in terms of making my mind up and getting to know the finalists. I don't think the final adds anything really.”
“I find that the task has almost no effect on proceedings actually. That's one of the reasons I generally find the final to be my least favourite part of the series. Aside from the boardroom it's all irrelevant. Especially in the knowledge that it's decided after a different unseen process.
Besides, by the time interviews end, I find I've seen everything I need to in terms of making my mind up and getting to know the finalists. I don't think the final adds anything really.”
That's basically what I was saying (and have always said). The final is there to give us a sense of closure, to make us feel that the battle between the final two really does depend on the final, and to support the rationale behind Sugar's final decision.
I think the most interesting final was Young Apprentice Series 2. Zara and James were pretty much on equal footing at that point, and it could go either way. Then Lord Sugar asked them what they'd do with the money; Zara had a very clear idea and James didn't, so Zara had to win. Interesting ending 
Originally Posted by george.millman:
“I think the most interesting final was Young Apprentice Series 2. Zara and James were pretty much on equal footing at that point, and it could go either way. Then Lord Sugar asked them what they'd do with the money; Zara had a very clear idea and James didn't, so Zara had to win. Interesting ending”
“I think the most interesting final was Young Apprentice Series 2. Zara and James were pretty much on equal footing at that point, and it could go either way. Then Lord Sugar asked them what they'd do with the money; Zara had a very clear idea and James didn't, so Zara had to win. Interesting ending
”
But he did though, he was going to use the money to help pay for his education - he literally shot himself in the foot. She had a business plan that would make Lord Sugar a return and James didn't that was the reason he lost.
Originally Posted by grizzlyvamp:
“But he did though, he was going to use the money to help pay for his education - he literally shot himself in the foot. She had a business plan that would make Lord Sugar a return and James didn't that was the reason he lost.”
“But he did though, he was going to use the money to help pay for his education - he literally shot himself in the foot. She had a business plan that would make Lord Sugar a return and James didn't that was the reason he lost.”
Well yes, I meant that he didn't have a clear idea of what business he was going to go into. If he was going to invest the money into University education and then knew exactly what he'd do when he left, things may have gone differently. But all we knew is that he wanted to go to Uni and then do business in... something. Whereas Zara had a definite plan to expand a successful business that she was already running.
Originally Posted by george.millman:
“Well yes, I meant that he didn't have a clear idea of what business he was going to go into. If he was going to invest the money into University education and then knew exactly what he'd do when he left, things may have gone differently. But all we knew is that he wanted to go to Uni and then do business in... something. Whereas Zara had a definite plan to expand a successful business that she was already running.”
“Well yes, I meant that he didn't have a clear idea of what business he was going to go into. If he was going to invest the money into University education and then knew exactly what he'd do when he left, things may have gone differently. But all we knew is that he wanted to go to Uni and then do business in... something. Whereas Zara had a definite plan to expand a successful business that she was already running.”
Ok yes I'll give you that but that was not what you said
Originally Posted by grizzlyvamp:
“Ok yes I'll give you that but that was not what you said”
“Ok yes I'll give you that but that was not what you said
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No, it wasn't... I thought it was obvious what I meant, clearly I was wrong.
Originally Posted by george.millman:
“No, it wasn't... I thought it was obvious what I meant, clearly I was wrong.”
“No, it wasn't... I thought it was obvious what I meant, clearly I was wrong.”
One thing you have to learn about me - I'm not exactly subtle I don't pick up things easily, especially online, I will take you fairly literally.
Originally Posted by grizzlyvamp:
“One thing you have to learn about me - I'm not exactly subtle I don't pick up things easily, especially online, I will take you fairly literally.”
“One thing you have to learn about me - I'm not exactly subtle I don't pick up things easily, especially online, I will take you fairly literally.
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It's fine. It's harder on a forum than in real life, there is no tone of voice or body language to fill in the gaps. Just words...
Originally Posted by george.millman:
“It's fine. It's harder on a forum than in real life, there is no tone of voice or body language to fill in the gaps. Just words...”
“It's fine. It's harder on a forum than in real life, there is no tone of voice or body language to fill in the gaps. Just words...”
Exactly
Thought the interviews were almost always the penultimate task before the final. One year[maybe series 4] the final which had 4 candidates in the final was a proper task, losing team got fired, otherwise the final is pointless as the finalists work for one of Lord Sugar's companies between the penultimate task & the final, & LS chooses the winner based on that, not on the final task.
Originally Posted by Wallasey Saint:
“Thought the interviews were almost always the penultimate task before the final. One year[maybe series 4] the final which had 4 candidates in the final was a proper task, losing team got fired, otherwise the final is pointless as the finalists work for one of Lord Sugar's companies between the penultimate task & the final, & LS chooses the winner based on that, not on the final task.”
“Thought the interviews were almost always the penultimate task before the final. One year[maybe series 4] the final which had 4 candidates in the final was a proper task, losing team got fired, otherwise the final is pointless as the finalists work for one of Lord Sugar's companies between the penultimate task & the final, & LS chooses the winner based on that, not on the final task.”
They were generally, but in Series 7 and 8 they have had ordinary tasks up to Week 11, and interviews as the final. They've changed it back this year, for some reason.
The four-person final task happened in two out of the three series of Young Apprentice as well.
