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Old 16-07-2013, 22:20
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The nature of Channel 4 means it can't take risks every day. But I think they still do their bit. Getting The Murder Trial onto TV must have been an incredible effort but they did it, it counted for a bit of PSB and they got decent ratings for it. The Plane Crash really paid off last year (ratings wise, financially who knows!) and was years and years in the working with multiple broadcasters trying to do it over the years. They're airing a French subtitled drama in the prime drama slot of the week!

Even Million Pound Drop - sure they've over exposed it. But it really did push the genre forward and did some interesting things. That's now a format developed with Channel 4 which has become a massive global hit.

I would even say that some of the date related programming recently has been what C4 should be doing. Both First Dates and Dates may have been crippled by dodgy scheduling more than anything.

The problem isn't a lack of risks, it's a lack of cash cows in primetime. Basically, they're having to do far too much commissioning. BBC1/ITV1 have massive resources and yet only really have one hour of primetime to worry about from Monday-Friday. Channel 5 have built up a good portfolio of US imports (22-24 hours rather than 6 hours for a UK series) and now Big Brother.

C4 used to have the US shows. They used to have 120+ hours of Big Brother. And they used to have Ramsay (and a few others on their talent roster) doing multiple shows all rating well.
C14E, are you by any chance Jay Hunt in disguise?

The problem with Channel 4's public service pieces is that they feel like public service pieces. A lot of the stuff the BBC do, especially on BBC2, don't come across as PSB programming. Gardeners World or Stargazing Live or The Tube don't feel like public service programming, but they do cater for a niche audience. Ironically, they often garner larger audiences than C4.

A lot of Channel 4's output suffers from the fact that it doesn't have an editorial 'spine'. Their factual output comes across as a big sloppy pile of facts and stories, not joined or bonded together in any way. Any good factual programme has a skeleton, supported by a strong backbone and is rich in content. C4's factual certainly has a long way to go.

Demographic Information for BBC1 and ITV for Monday 8th to Sunday 14th June: http://oi41.tinypic.com/2md53ed.jpg

Top programmes for the week among 18-49 year olds from that list (excludes soaps, news and repeats) were:

1. The Apprentice: 12.9
2. Nick & Margaret: We Pay Your Benefits: 6.8
3. Luther: 6.7
4. Andy Murray: The Man Behind The Racquet: 6.0
5. Long Lost Family: 5.2
6. Great British Budget Menu: 5.2
7. The Zoo: 4.9
8. Your Money, Their Tricks: 4.4
9. Your Face Sounds Familiar: 4.3
10. Casualty: 4.0

Note: Each number indicates the % of the UK 18-49 population. For e.g. 12.9% of 18-49 year olds living in the UK watched The Apprentice
Good week for factual programming. Nick & Margaret doing very well. Will be interesting to see if it holds up this week.
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Old 16-07-2013, 22:21
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BBC 1 viewers pay tax and get it back in their publicly funded salaries as pen pushers in schools, hospitals, council offices, etc
ambulance chasers too, apparently...

is the ITV HQ stationery cupboard fully stocked, George?

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Old 16-07-2013, 22:29
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The nature of Channel 4 means it can't take risks every day. But I think they still do their bit. Getting The Murder Trial onto TV must have been an incredible effort but they did it, it counted for a bit of PSB and they got decent ratings for it. The Plane Crash really paid off last year (ratings wise, financially who knows!) and was years and years in the working with multiple broadcasters trying to do it over the years. They're airing a French subtitled drama in the prime drama slot of the week!

Even Million Pound Drop - sure they've over exposed it. But it really did push the genre forward and did some interesting things. That's now a format developed with Channel 4 which has become a massive global hit.

I would even say that some of the date related programming recently has been what C4 should be doing. Both First Dates and Dates may have been crippled by dodgy scheduling more than anything.

The problem isn't a lack of risks, it's a lack of cash cows in primetime. Basically, they're having to do far too much commissioning. BBC1/ITV1 have massive resources and yet only really have one hour of primetime to worry about from Monday-Friday. Channel 5 have built up a good portfolio of US imports (22-24 hours rather than 6 hours for a UK series) and now Big Brother.

C4 used to have the US shows. They used to have 120+ hours of Big Brother. And they used to have Ramsay (and a few others on their talent roster) doing multiple shows all rating well.
Excellent post. The fact is, C4 needs a stronger backbone to its schedule in primetime because more often that it, it just falls apart in primetime. And it needs to try and recover some audience share in daytime but that will be difficult with Pointless and The Chase ruling the 5pm slot. Daytime used to be one of C4's strengths with Countdown, 15 to 1, Deal or No Deal and various gameshows - I know they've been trying new gameshows in daytime but they're pants. The formats for new gameshows need to be more innovative and imaginative from C4.
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Old 16-07-2013, 22:30
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The Apprentice has a very young audience, despite the ages of the "panel" and I'd imagine they just carried some of that audience to this show.
The isn't their first programme, the last Nick and Margaret programme barely broke 3m iirc. Last weeks topic around the benefit culture is hugely relevant at the moment.
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Old 16-07-2013, 22:41
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The isn't their first programme, the last Nick and Margaret programme barely broke 3m iirc. Last weeks topic around the benefit culture is hugely relevant at the moment.
It certainly is. Although I seem to recall when C5 commissioned their take on the issue Super Scroungers it was dismissed in here as "Daily Express TV."

The numbers for Nick and Margaret's show prove just how much interest there is in this subject right now. It will be revisited again and again.
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Old 16-07-2013, 22:59
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BB has added competition tonight with Geordie shore which gets about 300k of their target audience. BB will get about 1.5 tonight. Bots will do well with Daley being interviewed, 1million + depending on how BB rates.
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Old 16-07-2013, 23:04
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Coronation Street: 7.82m (39.8%)
Coronation Street: 7.69m (36.4%)
Eastenders: 6.22m (31.1%)
Emmerdale: 6.05m (34.8%)

So without +1 ... Eastenders was just 0.17m viewers ahead. Hardly a clear victory considering Corrie is 1.6m ahead despite straddling EastEnders either side and with no clashing to speak of...

And Emmerdale beat it in share.

Honestly, glossing over these issues will do EastEnders no good. You can't turn a blind eye to this performance, unless you want it to be axed?
The overnight ratings for the soaps are not as accurate as the official ratings. A previous post shows that there is a clear difference in viewing figures once timeshifting viewers are included and in the BARB top ten a consolidated position for all three soaps. The overnights are guide to the performance on the soaps but not an accurate one.

Not any of these figures will stay the same by next Monday.

Luther is a good example of timeshifting in the ratings chart last week.
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Old 16-07-2013, 23:10
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BB has added competition tonight with Geordie shore which gets about 300k of their target audience. BB will get about 1.5 tonight. Bots will do well with Daley being interviewed, 1million + depending on how BB rates.
From a ratings point of view they'd hold back that interview to later in the show - maybe not the last part as viewers might decide not to stick around, but certainly part 2 or 3. Part 1 just encourages a switch off during the first break.
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Old 16-07-2013, 23:14
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From a ratings point of view they'd hold back that interview to later in the show - maybe not the last part as viewers might decide not to stick around, but certainly part 2 or 3. Part 1 just encourages a switch off during the first break.
Daley's girlfriend was interviewed in part 2, same with most guest (non panelist) interviews. I'd imagine the same will be the case here.
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Old 16-07-2013, 23:32
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The FA Cup to be shown live on BBC TV and BT Sport from next year: http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...#ixzz2ZFain285
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Old 17-07-2013, 00:31
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The FA Cup to be shown live on BBC TV and BT Sport from next year: http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...#ixzz2ZFain285
Interesting should do well for the beeb surprised itv let it go
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Old 17-07-2013, 00:34
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Interesting should do well for the beeb surprised itv let it go
I don't think itv did let it go. I think it was more to do with the fact that they did such a crap job with it they lost it.
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Old 17-07-2013, 00:44
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I don't think itv did let it go. I think it was more to do with the fact that they did such a crap job with it they lost it.
I've always felt football belongs more on the bbc than itv it just looks out of place if u ask me
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Old 17-07-2013, 02:00
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I don't think itv did let it go. I think it was more to do with the fact that they did such a crap job with it they lost it.
ITV did fine with it (tic tac moment aside); it's just the nation seems to require mass promotion from the BBC to get interested in it now.
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Old 17-07-2013, 06:44
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Bit of a question mark over the future of Adrian Chiles ?
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Old 17-07-2013, 07:57
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Bit of a question mark over the future of Adrian Chiles ?
Hardly. ITV would still have loads of football - Champions League, England competitive games, Europa League. Plenty to be getting on with.

Very surprised If the BBC has indeed managed to get some FA Cup rights back - it would be a big boost, but I guess we'll have to wait and see exactly what they got.
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Old 17-07-2013, 08:09
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I don't think itv did let it go. I think it was more to do with the fact that they did such a crap job with it they lost it.
Greg Dyke joining the FA may have helped.

Shame that England games aren't coming home too.
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Old 17-07-2013, 08:20
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The FA Cup to be shown live on BBC TV and BT Sport from next year: http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...#ixzz2ZFain285
Absolutely fantastic news! Looking forward to more details later.
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Old 17-07-2013, 09:42
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Absolutely fantastic news! Looking forward to more details later.
itv to keep England friendlies, bbc to play junior parter to bt. more sport moves away from FTA - fantastic? Matter of opinion. Wont bother those with subs to the sports channels but clear that the bbc still sees making deals with pay operators as preferable to doing so with other FTA operators. That will ultimately be their death.
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Old 17-07-2013, 09:49
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itv to keep England friendlies, bbc to play junior parter to bt. more sport moves away from FTA - fantastic? Matter of opinion. Wont bother those with subs to the sports channels but clear that the bbc still sees making deals with pay operators as preferable to doing so with other FTA operators. That will ultimately be their death.
erm no it won't
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I don't ITV's football coverage is as bad as people like to make out, but once the idea is formed it sticks

Shame that ITV and BBC sports departments can only work together for summer football tournament, but I suppose it's unlikely the two of them could afford to see off pay tv companies.

It will be interesting to know if BBC get preferential picks for the FA cups, which ITV rarely did with it's deal. The FA do like to suck up to anyone that isn't ITV (and yet still take their money).

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Kantar Media have informed us that there will be a delay in delivery of today's BARB data files.

At this stage, they are unable to provide any timings for the delivery of the data.

We will send the reports as soon as data becomes available or an update if the situation changes.
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Old 17-07-2013, 09:51
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Ratings delayed via uktvratings
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Old 17-07-2013, 09:56
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Clearly the ratings machine has melted in the hot weather...
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Old 17-07-2013, 10:02
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It will be interesting to know if BBC get preferential picks for the FA cups, which ITV rarely did with it's deal. .
This statement is baffling? itv had 1st and 4th picks under the current deal. What do you mean - some sort of rigged draw?
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Old 17-07-2013, 10:03
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itv to keep England friendlies, bbc to play junior parter to bt. more sport moves away from FTA - fantastic? Matter of opinion. Wont bother those with subs to the sports channels but clear that the bbc still sees making deals with pay operators as preferable to doing so with other FTA operators. That will ultimately be their death.
Do you know something we don't?

Let's wait and see.

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Old 17-07-2013, 10:03
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itv to keep England friendlies, bbc to play junior parter to bt. more sport moves away from FTA - fantastic? Matter of opinion. Wont bother those with subs to the sports channels but clear that the bbc still sees making deals with pay operators as preferable to doing so with other FTA operators. That will ultimately be their death.
You didn't seem to mind ITV sharing the rights with pay tv providers....
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