Shes hardly a doormatt anymore, i think shes hated on phil enough lol

For months she was going on about justice for Hev, when she had a chance she decided not to take it. However when she thought it was Andrew she was in his face calling him a murderer but with Ben she was washing off 'murderer' off the wall and lying for Phil.

Now she just pointless and does nothing but spout venom to everyone.

Like jay was in a state of shock when he saw Ben kill heather and then had Phil pressure him into keeping quiet - didn't stop Shirley blaming him did it?

Shirley wasn't still in shock 2 weeks after the event when she was measured enough to demand money from phil to stop her going to the Police was she? She could still have gone to the Police then, they'd have believed her then, be able to do something about it but she choose not to. That decision makes her 'hatred' of phil ring very hollow to me. If you are really disgusted by someone, hate them and they are gulity of a serious criminal offence, especially one involving your best friend, you tell the police and take revenge (not to mention moral justice) that way. Her not doing so let him off the hook as far as I'm concerned.

What does Shirley say to denny or sharon to make him kick her chair. He's been in nearly a year and never behaved like that, I'm thinking he is probably provoked in some way. Even if not, you don't turn on a child, someone else's child and hurl the abuse that is in the dialogue extracts at them, even if they did kick your chair. She's a bully, picking on those weaker thaan herself, jay, ian, Denny and in that sense she and phil are well matched.

Shirley would have to have proof Phil was involved and even if she provided proof she'd get done for perverting the course of justice. Without proof she could get done for wasting police time.

Kitkat if a child did that to me i would tell them to get lost lol it annoys the hell out of me

She was drunk and kat edged her on about the money

Shirley has her own mind, she didn't need to listen to Kat she obviously cared more about cash than the memory of her best friend. She's a horrible person and tonight showed how horrible she is, tormenting Jean and blaming Ian for Bens behaviour as if she played no part in it.

She was drunk lol but kat did edge her on.

I didnt like what she did to jean but then because of how good linda is i ended up with shirl about being on her own in a b&b

Let's wait and see what provocation shirley gives Dennis and then I'll decide if his behaviour is out of order or not.
Kids, by definition, do childish things like kick chair legs. It's not actually going to hurt the adult and the adult should, again by definition, be the adult and rise above it.

She was with her daughter/grandson but decided to return thats why she's on her own, though Linda a great actress and deserves better than the crap she's getting.

Shirley could regain my respect by doing one thing - telling the Police the truth about phil's confession re the cover up. Yes it is probably too late for them to get him as there is no proofm. Yes, she could get in trouble for not having come forward earlier. But the people that loved Heather, andrew, Dot, Patrick. George would finally know the truth and the Community at large might turn on Phil.

I agree with Priscilla - Shirley doesn't need to be on her own, living in a b+b. Carly offered her a chance of a different life but she has rejected it in favour of what, hanging round the Square, impotently trying to get revenge on Phil and spilling vitriol at the likes of Ian and Sharon in the meantime.

I've been saying for months that Shirley's bitterness comes from having lost her position as Phil's Consort and therefore Queen of the Square rather than losing Heather.

I know but it doesn't stop me to it espiciially cos i mostly blame phil

Probably not

But she did provide Phil with an alibi? She didn't have to prove that. So not only did she not go to the police she helped Phil get away with it by giving him an alibi!

How long did the community turn on Jay for his involvement? About a few episodes then it was forgotten about.

I would like to think (though am probably wrong) that they would deem an Adult, one that was supposed to be these boys Guardian, covering up the crime and bullying them into keeping quiet about it a lot more severely than a teenage boy panicking and trying to protect his foster brother.

Phil would get a custodial sentence. Jay admitted to his crime. Phil not only covered up but also got others to cover up for him like Shirley.

I've never liked Shirley. She claimed to be Heather's friend yet always put Phil first. Heather's true friends were Patrick and Dot. Though naturally shaken by what happened both forgave Jay in time (I know Shirley did too eventually but very late). Both Dot and Patrick moved on whereas Shirley is bitter, vindictive, stuck in the past and only staying in the square to get revenge on Phil. To be fair to Phil though he was in a difficult situation given that it was his son who committed the crime and parents are generally supposed to love their children unconditionally - Sharon was more understanding of Phil's actions because as Denny's mother, she understood. She said it was called being a parent. Blaming poor Ian was entirely uncalled for as it was hardly his fault. Phil pressured him into protecting Ben and the poor guy had a breakdown. Ben at least did the right thing in the end and turned himself in and what Shirley needs to do now is move on and get on with her life as Dot and Patrick are doing.

Sharon was more understanding cos she wasnt a victim. Heather was shirleys best friend and phil lied to her for months and used her to help the cover up

I'm pretty sure the police knew that Phil was involved in the cover up but knew that they couldn't prove it. Even if Shirley came forward now as his ex-lover she would hardly have credence. Both Jay and Ben would need to corroborate which I can't see happening. They would have to explain why they are now changing their statements.

I just don't see it happening.

So there really is no reason for phil to bother with her?

I would just tell them to stop!

Yet Shirley still decided to lie for him, and the excuses about being in a state of shock doesn't mean because she was in one that meant she had to lie, she basically she chose Phil over her best mate.

Yes if your in that state you wouldnt be thinking straight, her whole life had been destroyed