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Digital Spy Apprentice: Task Three Boardroom
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Strictly_Irish
05-07-2013
Originally Posted by Tyjet:
“Honestly, I have no idea why the over 60s holiday got so few orders. Perhaps Alex just felt that Harmonia's was so much better that he felt we shouldn't have received more? It's hard to tell why the buyers went the way they did without any kind of feedback from them.”

There is feedback and I am getting to it. I was just curious to see if your team would realise the flaws before they were pointed out.
george.millman
05-07-2013
Originally Posted by Strictly_Irish:
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There is feedback and I am getting to it. I was just curious to see if your team would realise the flaws before they were pointed out.
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Maybe there just aren't many things to attract that age category in Ecuador? Although I have no idea as I didn't work on that package, I was on the student one; so that's a blind guess.
Carlisle156
05-07-2013
I would say that there'd be questions raised over the expense of the Over 60s trip. Although cheaper than the Family trip, the disposable income that comes in, most likely from pensions, would be significantly less.

I would also argue that looking at current trends for Over 60s, they prefer simple holidays such as caravanning around the South of France, or across Europe. Close enough to home and a lot more 'personal' perhaps.
Tyjet
05-07-2013
Originally Posted by Carlisle156:
“I would say that there'd be questions raised over the expense of the Over 60s trip. Although cheaper than the Family trip, the disposable income that comes in, most likely from pensions, would be significantly less.”

This isn't strictly true. 55-64 is actually the age bracket with the most disposable income.
Strictly_Irish
05-07-2013
Alex felt that the price was way out of the comfort zone of the travelers, as well as the fact that when it's compared to other bargain packages this one wouldn't be very appealing.

There were also concerns raised that your advertising plan for the over-60s wasn't very sensible as, while there are older people that use the internet, it shouldn't be the main source of advertising.
Carlisle156
05-07-2013
Originally Posted by Tyjet:
“This isn't strictly true. 55-64 is actually the age bracket with the most disposable income.”

I'm not an expert on pensions, but going off what my Grandparents earn. In hindsight, they wouldn't be able to afford a holiday to Ecuador.
Strictly_Irish
05-07-2013
On the family holiday side of things, the price was the main concern. However, Bethany felt a few of the activities, the Darwin tour in particular, wasn't suitable for children.
george.millman
05-07-2013
Originally Posted by Strictly_Irish:
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Alex felt that the price was way out of the comfort zone of the travelers, as well as the fact that when it's compared to other bargain packages this one wouldn't be very appealing.
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You say 'compared to other bargain packages'... was this actually a bargain package? Because our student one wasn't. There was no deal involved with it; everything we offered cost the same amount as it would if someone had organised all of those things independently. I would say that these were not bargain packages (assuming they all had the same pricing structure).
Tyjet
05-07-2013
Originally Posted by Strictly_Irish:
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There were also concerns raised that your advertising plan for the over-60s wasn't very sensible as, while there are older people that use the internet, it shouldn't be the main source of advertising.
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Should advertising really have been our problem, though? We were selling the package to him so that he could then go off and sell it to customers. Selling it to the consumers should have been his job, not ours.

That's like a movie distributor asking the production company to deal with advertising after they've bought the rights.
Strictly_Irish
05-07-2013
The most disappointing thing is that no one seems to know much about anyone elses pitch. You may have been pitching separately but this was a team task. And that goes for both teams.

Tyjet, who will you be bringing back and why?
Tyjet
05-07-2013
Because their pitch yielded the fewest orders (& also because one of them has done nothing), I'm going to be bringing back Justin & Jason.
Carlisle156
05-07-2013
Originally Posted by Strictly_Irish:
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The most disappointing thing is that no one seems to know much about anyone elses pitch. You may have been pitching separately but this was a team task. And that goes for both teams.

Tyjet, who will you be bringing back and why?
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I would argue that communication could be seen to be a major flaw.

I had no idea how pricey the others were so I feel like that maybe made me a bit of a black sheep when it came to doing my own pricing.
Strictly_Irish
05-07-2013
Originally Posted by Tyjet:
“Because their pitch yielded the fewest orders (& also because one of them has done nothing), I'm going to be bringing back Justin & Jason.”

Thanks Tyjet. The rest of you may leave.
george.millman
05-07-2013
Originally Posted by Strictly_Irish:
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Thanks Tyjet. The rest of you may leave.
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Thank you, Lady Sugar. Good luck, guys.
Carlisle156
05-07-2013
I'd also like to quickly mention before I leave the boardroom... I touched upon it on my evaluation form but...

I do feel like Tyjet made a lot of decisions and wouldn't change his mind, even if it was better for the team. I expressed feeling uncomfortable having to pitch to somebody who openly hates me and whilst I don't doubt Anactoria would be professional enough to not take personal opinions into account, as seems to be true with her orders for the package deal. I do feel like it may have harmed my pitch as I did feel pretty uncomfortable, like I was potentially walking on eggshells and I was worried the interrogation was going to be really intensive. (Which, it was, but I feel like all the questions were actually appropriate.)


Good luck, team!
Strictly_Irish
05-07-2013
I'm fairly certain Justin and Jason aren't here. Tyjet, who do you feel deserves to be fired out of these two and why don't you deserve to be fired?
Tyjet
05-07-2013
@ Carlisle: you make it sound like you begged me to change my mind. You didn't. You expressed discomfort & after I assured you that she'd put her personal feelings for you aside, you dropped it. If it was that much of an issue then you shouldn't have rolled over so easily. And as it happens, it wasn't an issue at all because she ended up ordering more than Alex & Aliyah.

Originally Posted by Strictly_Irish:
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I'm fairly certain Justin and Jason aren't here. Tyjet, who do you feel deserves to be fired out of these two and why don't you deserve to be fired?
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Jason. He contributed nothing to this task at all. He turned up for about 10 minutes or so on the first night & that was it. And during the first two tasks, he was a bit of a coaster. He did what he was told, but he did it behind the scenes & didn't contribute much at all to any discussions.

As for why I don't deserve to be fired, I think I'm easily one of the strongest people in this competition. This was not my strongest task (& I'll be the first to admit that), but I was far from bad. I'm a very intelligent individual and I know how to do DSA and do it well. I also know that if I had a more respondent and present team then this task would have gone much better for us across the board, and then perhaps the pricing would have been less confusing.
jag02010
05-07-2013
Hi, I just got back. What questions do you have for me?
Satanel
05-07-2013
LAS has had to leave, I will be taking over.

Well, since LAS has left. I will finish this rather quickly.

Tyjet, I do believe you're a strong candidate. However, we believe the fact you already knows this hinders the amount of effort you put into each task. I, personally, haven't seen enough of you as of yet.

Jason, your lack of contribution to this task is very worrying. I question whether you have any interest in this process at all. However, you have performed well on recent tasks - do we risk keeping you in this competition?

Justin. It would appear, despite your pitch having the lowest number of orders overall, that you have performed very well on this task. You're safe this week.

Tyjet and Jason...
jag02010
05-07-2013
Thank you, Zak and Louise. I look forward to the next task, and I'm sorry I let the team down.

ETA: How's that for not following Zak's advice, Katie? Looks like I performed pretty well I wouldn't talk about how our team functioned if you weren't here for it.
Satanel
05-07-2013
Well, it is to Tyjet's benefit that I, nor LAS, are willing to take a risk this week.

Jason, you're fired.

Congratulations Tyjet, you may leave the boardroom.
Tyjet
05-07-2013
Ok, thank you! *leaves*
xKatieLx
05-07-2013
Originally Posted by jag02010:
“Thank you, Zak and Louise. I look forward to the next task, and I'm sorry I let the team down.

ETA: How's that for not following Zak's advice, Katie? Looks like I performed pretty well I wouldn't talk about how our team functioned if you weren't here for it.”

Well considering the amount of bitching you've did about the other team's work on the two tasks I've worked with you I just wanted to say I felt the 2 David's and George did a good job cause I think they did.

The reason I said I thought you should've been fired was because on two tasks your ideas have been bad from my point of view (I don't really think Ecuador was suitable for elderly and judging by the number of units you sold it wasn't). As for Zak's advice I just think you sounded a little rude to Jason and you were pulled up on it before that's all. It's Louise's choice and sadly I see why she fired Jason.

Also don't these two statements in bold kinda contradict each other?
jag02010
05-07-2013
Originally Posted by xKatieLx:
“Well considering the amount of bitching you've did about the other team's work on the two tasks I've worked with you I just wanted to say I felt the 2 David's and George did a good job cause I think they did.

The reason I said I thought you should've been fired was because on two tasks your ideas have been bad from my point of view (I don't really think Ecuador was suitable for elderly and judging by the number of units you sold it wasn't). As for Zak's advice I just think you sounded a little rude to Jason and you were pulled up on it before that's all. It's Louise's choice and sadly I see why she fired Jason.

Also don't these two statements in bold kinda contradict each other?”

Katie, it's obvious that you don't like me, something that I'm totally fine with. I think that discrediting me for the sole purpose of statements I've made other weeks about other products that I didn't believe in as much as the one I had a hand in making is completely fair. You don't know how our team functioned, you don't know how ideas were thrown around, and, most certainly, you don't know who performed well and who didn't. Don't pretend to understand me, or anyone else on my team, when you don't work with us.

I understand that Ecuador wasn't your first choice of travel ideas for this week, but if I have an idea, I'm not one to sit back and not mention it. I merely suggested the idea, and Carlisle fell in LOVE with the concept, and together we advocated for it. I was hardly pushing my idea down anyone's throat or anything like that. Also, where was I rude to Jason? I don't think I so much as mentioned his name anywhere in the boardroom. I also spoke well about him elsewhere on the forum today, so I have to think that the issue runs a bit deeper than that, Katie.

Before I go, I just want to remind you of something. After sending me a very viciously worded message about "making you look stupid," we both agreed, privately, that we were going to put bad blood behind us for tasks moving forward, a statement which you, quite frankly, lied about yourself. Since, apparently, you're not able or willing to do that, and since you're so good at hyperanalyzing every last line of text, I'd love to hear how you read this:

Please don't let your views of my personality or my work ethic distract from the fact that I'm serious about this competition. I don't spend every ten seconds saying you should get fired because I don't like you - which, believe me, I don't - and even went as far as to commend your work on the first task I worked with you, and still didn't think you should have been fired on the second task I worked with you on because there were more deserving people.

Did I contradict myself anywhere here?
jackel1234
05-07-2013
oooh drama
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