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Cav is pretty small for a sprinter and I wonder if the bigger guys bully him and he has to push and shove and lean on people otherwise they'll swamp him
maybe that's why he crashes so often in the final....... Hopefully he has a few more stages in him, but zabel, Mcewan, cipollini, abdou etc, all used to be "the man" until someone else claimed the title. I think cav is just facing the same problem. |
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#2552 |
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The Tour De France website shows Sagan in white, with Coquard in Green which contradicts both my understanding of the situation and my previous comment.
http://www.letour.com/le-tour/2014/us/ |
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So will Sagan wear the green jersey or the white one tomorrow? Assume green.
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Sky won the team prize today.
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Is sagan still young enough for white? Surprised.
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Cav is pretty small for a sprinter and I wonder if the bigger guys bully him and he has to push and shove and lean on people otherwise they'll swamp him
maybe that's why he crashes so often in the final....... Wouldnt be surprised if he gets a penalty for causing a crash, as has happened before. It depends if they have a few seconds more of video, because the evidence from the shots so far look pretty damning for Cav. |
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45 Max depending on stage type.
http://www.procyclingstats.com/race/...ge_1_Harrogate |
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Thats rose tinted glasses. Unfortuately he has history for those sorts of incidents.
Also I do think that over the last year or two he has lost some speed and now finds it more difficult to get through gaps.........which means more leaning and shoving |
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Some stills of the crash, posted on the Cycling News forum. Looks pretty damning for Cav
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthr...=22540&page=62 |
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The Tour De France website shows Sagan in white, with Coquard in Green which contradicts both my understanding of the situation and my previous comment.
http://www.letour.com/le-tour/2014/us/ |
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http://www.letour.com/le-tour/2014/us/ which is the Standard number of points in a flat stage for a number of years. |
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He got dq'ed from a stage last year for a similar thing, didn't he? Leaning in on the finish, with a couple of head shoves.
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172 riders with the same +0'00 time. Not sure how the stragglers got so far behind at nearly 9 and 14 minutes down.
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It seems that if a rider is leading a jersey outright he wears that one. Peter Sagan is first in the white jersey comp so he gets that. So Coquard is next up as he is 3rd in points and 2nd in white.
![]() One thing I don't get is that Coquard is 4th in the pts comp, so why isn't Navardauskas (3rd overall) not in green tomorrow. 1. KITTEL M. GIA 45 pts 2. SAGAN P. CAN 35 pts 3. NAVARDAUSKAS R. GRS 30 pts 4. COQUARD B. EUC 26 pts |
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The official website has
1. GERKITTEL Marcel 101 TEAM GIANT-SHIMANO 45 pts 2. SVKSAGAN Peter 51 CANNONDALE 45 pts 3. FRACOQUARD Bryan 153 TEAM EUROPCAR 39 pts Not sure if that's right. There should be a points breakdown somewhere. |
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Here we are - sprint point at Newbiggin
1. GERVOIGT Jens 168 TREK FACTORY RACING 20 pts 2. FRAEDET Nicolas 172 COFIDIS, SOLUTIONS CREDITS 17 pts 3. FRAJARRIER Benoit 218 BRETAGNE - SECHE ENVIRONNEMENT 15 pts 4. FRACOQUARD Bryan 153 TEAM EUROPCAR 13 pts 5. GERGREIPEL André 135 LOTTO-BELISOL 11 pts 6. SVKSAGAN Peter 51 CANNONDALE 10 pts Finish sprint points at Harrogate 1. GERKITTEL Marcel 101 TEAM GIANT-SHIMANO 45 pts 2. SVKSAGAN Peter 51 CANNONDALE 35 pts 3. LTUNAVARDAUSKAS Ramunas 97 GARMIN - SHARP 30 pts 4. FRACOQUARD Bryan 153 TEAM EUROPCAR 26 pts |
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Some stills of the crash, posted on the Cycling News forum. Looks pretty damning for Cav
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthr...=22540&page=62 Cavendish was on Sagan's wheel with Gerran's line alongside. As the stage win was looking beyond him, it could look like he was taking out his frustration. Gerrans did dip in behind Sagan a few seconds earlier, but not possible to see if there was contact. OMQS were not at full strength as Terpstra was AWOL along with Petacchi. So why did they take it up so early? Dauphiné winner Talansky, the guy who Garmin are building there future around, and hoping to finish in the final Tour top ten, is 4mins down after the first stage. |
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172 riders with the same +0'00 time. Not sure how the stragglers got so far behind at nearly 9 and 14 minutes down.
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He got dq'ed from a stage last year for a similar thing, didn't he? Leaning in on the finish, with a couple of head shoves.
(I know people in here follow the Cycling Tour more than me, so I might be wrong) |
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Dauphiné winner Talansky, the guy who Garmin are building there future around, and hoping to finish in the final Tour top ten, is 4mins down after the first stage.
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I reckon a lot of the teams will be frantically revising their strategy for tomorrow. There's potential for big gaps.
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that's what I was saying..........because he's fairly small he has to push and shove the bigger guys to get his position
Also I do think that over the last year or two he has lost some speed and now finds it more difficult to get through gaps.........which means more leaning and shoving |
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Hmm, surprised at that. I didn't see the last day of the Dauphiné so I don't know how he nicked it off Alberto Contador but as grassmarket says, he must have got separated by the crowd choke points today.
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Vaughters has tweeted Talansky punctured in the last 3km so timing will be corrected and he will get same time as Kittel.
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