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The Pro Cycling Thread (Part 2)
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culttvfan
14-07-2016
Originally Posted by Marti S:
“Nothing yet, will post if I find anything out.

Lots of boos just went out in the crowd, not sure what they were booing at, still no yellow jersey presentation”

I guess they just heard Chris's time has been adjusted. Great sports the French.
Marti S
14-07-2016
Here's the result posted by ITV on twitter https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnVkE8rWYAA_y54.jpg
John259
14-07-2016
‏@nedboulting on Twitter has a screenshot of a tv graphic showing the revised standings, with Chris Froome in Yellow.

LeTour web site still not updated (yet).
Marti S
14-07-2016
OMG the French are disgraceful, so much booing has he is presented the yellow jersey, glad I'm not french I would be embarrassed by their reaction
breppo
14-07-2016
Odd decision. Surely Mollema lost time as well. Why is he not compensated in relation to Yates? And what about Porte?
David_Flett1
14-07-2016
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“Froome in yellow still good.

Now get on with sorting out those damn idiotic crowds.”

It is almost impossible to do anything about the crowds where you have steep hilly slopes on either side. The only thing that is possible is to ban fans completely or to impose severe restrictions from those sections but when you get stages which include for instance Dutch Corner on the Alpe D'Heuz or today you would be taking away almost 3 km of spectators which may help the riders but would spoil the spectacle of the race.

I have great sympathy for the riders and I feel especially gutted for Riche Porte who has to be one of the unlukiest riders so far losing 1 min 45 secs on stage 2 because of a puncture just outside the 3k otherwise he would be in touching distance of Froome with two time trials to come.

Anyway let's see.
culttvfan
14-07-2016
So they've given Froome the same time as Mollema. That's probably fair although all 3 of them would have put more time into the other GC contenders without the crash because Mollema must have been delayed a good 10 seconds and they were pulling away from Quintana group..
Marti S
14-07-2016
Hopefully the organizers will make sure they better police the finishes after this fiasco, dosent make them look good.
David_Flett1
14-07-2016
Originally Posted by Marti S:
“OMG the French are disgraceful, so much booing has he is presented the yellow jersey, glad I'm not french I would be embarrassed by their reaction”

Just as disgraceful as the British fans at Silverstone last Sunday when thousands booed Rosberg. It happens and it's not just the French.
batdude_uk1
14-07-2016
Originally Posted by David_Flett1:
“It is almost impossible to do anything about the crowds where you have steep hilly slopes on either side. The only thing that is possible is to ban fans completely or to impose severe restrictions from those sections but when you get stages which include for instance Dutch Corner on the Alpe D'Heuz or today you would be taking away almost 3 km of spectators which may help the riders but would spoil the spectacle of the race.

I have great sympathy for the riders and I feel especially gutted for Riche Porte who has to be one of the unlukiest riders so far losing 1 min 45 secs on stage 2 because of a puncture just outside the 3k otherwise he would be in touching distance of Froome with two time trials to come.

Anyway let's see.”

How would seeing racers actually racing be spoiling anything??!

I would definitely ban the fans, if it means we do not see events like today and on previous events (throwing urine at the racers, pushing them on their bikes, running alongside them etc etc).

Keep the fans at a decent length, so that we can see the best riders raving each other, as surely that is what we all want to see isn't it?
The fans are an irrelevance really, some of them are just big heads who think the race is about themselves, rather than the racers.
Moody Blue
14-07-2016
Good news that Froome retains the yellow jersey.
mel_drew
14-07-2016
How many police, and how much force, would it take to keep the fans off the great mountain stages? Won't ever happen. The most they could do would be to barrier further down the hill, and even that's unlikely.
The Net
14-07-2016
I turned it on as Froome was legging it up the slope. I thought they'd turned the tour into a triathlon
Eater Sundae
14-07-2016
Originally Posted by culttvfan:
“So they've given Froome the same time as Mollema. That's probably fair although all 3 of them would have put more time into the other GC contenders without the crash because Mollema must have been delayed a good 10 seconds and they were pulling away from Quintana group..”

But the Quintana group were also held up by the crash.

Whatever they do will probably disadvantage someone. Giving Porte and Froome the same time as Mollema would be making the best of a bad job, and is prabably as fair as possible.
wns_195
14-07-2016
They don't need to keep the fans away - they need to keep them back. The police could do that if there were enough of them. Extra barriers would also help. Another thing to consider is what percentage of the crowds attempt to interfere with the cyclists? If it is a small percentage it is easier to control.

At least the behaviour of those fans hasn't impacted on the result anywhere near as it could have done.
Mark F
14-07-2016
Good to see the situation sorted out so quickly but it probably shouldn't in the first place..
batdude_uk1
14-07-2016
Originally Posted by mel_drew:
“How many police, and how much force, would it take to keep the fans off the great mountain stages? Won't ever happen. The most they could do would be to barrier further down the hill, and even that's unlikely.”

The safety and "fairness" of the race should be paramount at all times.
We want to see the best riders competing under fair and just conditions, with no outside elements, such as fans interfering with the race, doing so.

If it means changing some of the stages, or doing something different, then so be it.

Fans should not be able to be close enough to touch the riders, or to throw urine over them, that should not be anything that should ever be acceptable.

Would it be right and acceptable to see the fans running alongside Mo Farrah in his races, or pushing his competitors, no it wouldn't, do why on earth is it acceptable here??

The race should be about seeing which racer is best, not which racer can be the lucky one in not getting into a tangle with the fans.

The UCI need to have a long hard look at themselves, and do something about the idiotic fans that populate these stages.
Eater Sundae
14-07-2016
I guess that the extra fans who had come down the mountain to watch the shortened finish will have made the crowds much deeper than normal, which will have made it even harder to control the crowd.

Something I'd not thought about before...

The Mavic bikes will be generic sizes, I presume, and probably a bit on the small size to suit as many as possible, so always a compromise. But I'd not thought about the cleats not being compatible. I presume that each team uses a common cleat design across the team (both for compatability so riders can swap bikes, but also as part of any sponsorship deals). I don't know how critical the cleat design is to rider performance, but I wonder if it would make more sense if a team used a mavic compatible version on their bikes, just in case.

Also, at the cutting edge of component design, are the shoes even worse that "nornal" race shoes, or are they the same as ones that the public buy? I was wondering how easy/difficult it was for Froome to run. Or would adrenaline dull any pain?
David_Flett1
14-07-2016
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“How would seeing racers actually racing be spoiling anything??!

I would definitely ban the fans, if it means we do not see events like today and on previous events (throwing urine at the racers, pushing them on their bikes, running alongside them etc etc).

Keep the fans at a decent length, so that we can see the best riders raving each other, as surely that is what we all want to see isn't it?
The fans are an irrelevance really, some of them are just big heads who think the race is about themselves, rather than the racers.”

Whilst I agree there should more crowd control but as I pointed out these mountain stages are very narrow and have steep slopes on either side where it would be very dangerous to erect barriers. It would be impossible to use marshalls, they would be outnumbered 100-1. As much as it is a problem today's accident and many others this year have been the result of motorbikes where they do not keep safe distances. We haven't got the pictures from what happened immediately in front of the motorbike to cause it to stop but Porte was just a metre behind if that.

You can take away the spectators and just have the riders but the atmosphere would be dead.
batdude_uk1
14-07-2016
Originally Posted by Eater Sundae:
“I guess that the extra fans who had come down the mountain to watch the shortened finish will have made the crowds much deeper than normal, which will have made it even harder to control the crowd.
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That is something that the authorities should have planned for, and had contingency plans for, but just like with a lot of other stages, they put rider safety at the very bottom of their priority list.

How often have we seen fans crowding a road, and making the riders, (and the motorcycles and cars) slow right down??

They simply should not be allowed on the road.
Fans should not touch a rider, or be close enough to do do, why on earth anyone thinks it is a good thing, I have no clue.

The race should be about the riders, racing each other, and not trying to do their best to not hit a fan, or to dodge urine or other things like flags, or even tacks!

The riders should be the priority here, they are the ones that we all want to watch (I am just guessing on this bit), and so they should be given the best possible opportunity to showcase their talents.
Thomas007
14-07-2016
Froome 1/5 with the bookies, looks like he's heading for another title then.

Is Froome going to run up Lance Armstrong type number of titles do you think? Surpass Eddy Merckx and co? Surely he's a 50/50 shot of becoming the GOAT now??
batdude_uk1
14-07-2016
Originally Posted by David_Flett1:
“Whilst I agree there should more crowd control but as I pointed out these mountain stages are very narrow and have steep slopes on either side where it would be very dangerous to erect barriers. It would be impossible to use marshalls, they would be outnumbered 100-1. As much as it is a problem today's accident and many others this year have been the result of motorbikes where they do not keep safe distances. We haven't got the pictures from what happened immediately in front of the motorbike to cause it to stop but Porte was just a metre behind if that.

You can take away the spectators and just have the riders but the atmosphere would be dead.”

I would far rather see no spectators on the road interfering with the race, (and in your mind, having no atmosphere), then see things like this, happen time after, tome, after tome, where the fans alter and affect the stage, and what times each rider gets.

It should be about who is the best rider, not about the best atmosphere.
batdude_uk1
14-07-2016
Originally Posted by Thomas007:
“Froome 1/5 with the bookies, looks like he's heading for another title then.

Is Froome going to run up Lance Armstrong type number of titles? Surpass Eddy Merckx and co? Surely he's a 50/50 shot of becoming the GOAT now??”

Last time I checked, Froome already has more titles than Lance.
John259
14-07-2016
The next mountain stage is on Sunday (17-Jul-16). That leaves enough time to erect more barriers and/or remove the spectators. It'll be very interesting to see if anything is done. If not, perhaps the riders will neutralise the stage as a protest.
The Net
14-07-2016
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“Last time I checked, Froome already has more titles than Lance. ”

Exactly. Lance Armstrong has zero TdF titles.

I see Froome was booed by a few idiots on the podium. There is no room for such behaviour in cycling. Not classy.
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