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The Pro Cycling Thread (Part 2)
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cmq2
11-11-2013
Originally Posted by Default_User:
“Nice for Armstrong to offer to testify with 100% honesty. That's as good as telling us he's not to be trusted in anything that's gone before. I don't know how the authorities could credibly use his evidence to punish other riders or 'doctors'. Should they take him up on the offer or dismiss it as a face-saving publicity exercise?”

If he wants to turn over a new leaf he can start by being unconditionally open and honest. If the truth is a negotiable, a bargaining tool, dependent on satisfying his self-interest, then they are dealing with the same old street-fighter of seven illicit Tours.

He is a convicted liar and cheat. He sued The Sunday Times in the British High Court for telling the truth. How can his testimony to a small foreign non-statutory committee be regarded as reliable? Would perjury in that forum have any consequences? If he equivocated on key questions could anyone force him to answer?

I doubt he would shaft the likes of Bruyneel and Ferrari so what is the point? Anyway, USADA revealed the enough of the truth to satisfy and close the matter.for any reasonable person.
swingaleg
11-11-2013
I guess the point is that he wouldn't be the only witness that the proposed Commission would interview...........

There'd be lots of witnesses and their testimony would be compared and tested against others

It would always be unlikely that everyone would tell the whole truth..........the job of the Commission would be to tease the truth out of what might be conflicting testimonies

But they're not going to lose anything by having Armstrong in front of them
John259
11-11-2013
I doubt if Armstrong can distinguish between truth and lies any more. In fact, I wonder if he ever could.
swingaleg
11-11-2013
Originally Posted by John259:
“I doubt if Armstrong can distinguish between truth and lies any more. In fact, I wonder if he ever could.”

In a sense that doesn't matter...........whatever he says can be tested with other witnesses and can provide questions for other witnesses

And presumably if his evidence conflicts with other people's he can be recalled to 'clarify'

Then the Commission's job will be to assess all the evidence, not just Armstrong's, and come to a conclusion

As he was undoubtedly heavily involved in doping then it would be madness not to hear what he has to say........it doesn't mean they have to believe him unless his story is corroborated by others
cmq2
11-11-2013
Originally Posted by swingaleg:
“I guess the point is that he wouldn't be the only witness that the proposed Commission would interview...........

There'd be lots of witnesses and their testimony would be compared and tested against others

It would always be unlikely that everyone would tell the whole truth..........the job of the Commission would be to tease the truth out of what might be conflicting testimonies

But they're not going to lose anything by having Armstrong in front of them”

The point is Armstrong expects a reduced ban in exchange for an appearance. As a convicted liar his word is worthless. To my eyes that is paying something for nothing.

What 'truth' are we missing? We have Rasmussen's, Landis's and Hamilton's confessions. We have the whole USADA report (that Armstrong's legal team tried to block at every stage). What new light can he spread on this era? He won't betray his co-conspirators.

His era ended in 2005. (He does not admit doping in the 2009/10 comeback). For 2014, shouldn't we leave those events, and Armstrong, firmly in the past and move on?

The UCI need to get on top of modern doping practices; not wring hands about ancient history.
swingaleg
11-11-2013
Originally Posted by cmq2:
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The UCI need to get on top of modern doping practices; not wring hands about ancient history.”

I agree with you on that, I'm bored with the whole thing
grassmarket
28-11-2013
Last cycling action of the year in Glasgow on Saturday - the second round of the Revolution Indoor series

http://www.cyclingrevolution.com/rou...t-details.html

TV Highlights on BT Sport next Tuesday.
cmq2
28-11-2013
More on the chronic Froome/Wiggins rift at Sky: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/oth...14-months.html
Virtual Paul
28-11-2013
Originally Posted by grassmarket:
“Last cycling action of the year in Glasgow on Saturday”


Apart from the second leg of the World Cup in Mexico next weekend (5-7th December).

Looks like a good GB line-up, hopefully some coverage on BBC, though not sure about the time differences.

http://www.britishcycling.org.uk/gbc...up-in-Mexico-0
grassmarket
28-11-2013
Originally Posted by Virtual Paul:
“Apart from the second leg of the World Cup in Mexico next weekend (5-7th December).

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Interesting that they are taking so many people from the A team - they don't normally do with world cups in distant places. The danger is that if it's at altitude the women's team pursuit squad will put the world record so far out of reach it'll be decades before anyone breaks it again.

Did they ever decide where the third World Cup was going to be? It should have been in Australia or Asia, theoretically.
grassmarket
28-11-2013
Just looked it up - Guadalajara, Mexico! 17-19 January.
Virtual Paul
29-11-2013
Originally Posted by grassmarket:
“Just looked it up - Guadalajara, Mexico! 17-19 January.”

Yeah seems strange having two of the 3 legs in Mexico, unless the teams are staying over there for training. Missing Christmas at home?

Looks like GB are taking their A team to ensure they get the points needed to qualify for the next Worlds.

Will be interesting to see if James or Varnish are any closer to Vogel after Vogel destroyed everyone at the last meet.

Hope there's some coverage on free TV.
cmq2
30-11-2013
Saxo-Tinkoff to become Team Google? There is a presser on Monday afternoon. http://teamsaxotinkoff.com/ny_news.asp?n_id=4246

The Danish media are reporting the likely contents.
grassmarket
03-12-2013
Originally Posted by grassmarket:
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TV Highlights on BT Sport next Tuesday.”

Correction! The highlights are 19:00 on Thursday 5th.
grassmarket
04-12-2013
The UCI have a YouTube live stream for the first Mexico World Cup, but just the Saturday night session

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KhpwHwWFGI
Virtual Paul
04-12-2013
Originally Posted by grassmarket:
“The UCI have a YouTube live stream for the first Mexico World Cup, but just the Saturday night session

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KhpwHwWFGI”


Looking at the countdown clock (3 days, 10, hours, 20 mins) it looks like it's scheduled to start at 11.30pm GMT, so going to be the early hours of Sunday when it ends.

Shame there doesn't appear to be any UK TV live coverage or highlights on the BBC or anywhere else.
swingaleg
04-12-2013
Originally Posted by Virtual Paul:
“Looking at the countdown clock (3 days, 10, hours, 20 mins) it looks like it's scheduled to start at 11.30pm GMT, so going to be the early hours of Sunday when it ends.

Shame there doesn't appear to be any UK TV live coverage or highlights on the BBC or anywhere else. ”

You'd think that the minor channels like channel 4 or channel 5 would jump at the chance to show live track cycling......they don't have much live sport, GB are really good at it and it must be cheap to acquire as no one wants it.
Humbugged
05-12-2013
Originally Posted by grassmarket:
“Interesting that they are taking so many people from the A team - they don't normally do with world cups in distant places. The danger is that if it's at altitude the women's team pursuit squad will put the world record so far out of reach it'll be decades before anyone breaks it again.

Did they ever decide where the third World Cup was going to be? It should have been in Australia or Asia, theoretically.”

One of the current reconds on the books was set here - Sarah Hammer's 3000 @ 3:22.269 .And the UCI site has Zhong of China down as breaking the 200m Flying Lap record there in January @ 10"573.

So the 2 things to look for will be how much time they take off the WR over both runs and how far up the list on time they are compared to the men (all depending on them staying upright of course)
Edward_Sloley
05-12-2013
On the UCI startlist/results site (handled by their timekeeping sponsor Swiss Timing), they sometimes post a link to a Java app that displays live results. There isn't one at the moment, but if there is it'll show up on this page.

I already have the app (downloaded earlier this year); other than that, I can't find a webpage with live results anywhere.

Action is now underway, starting with the men's team pursuit. For now, New Zealand are fastest with 3:57.757; 5 out of 15 nations finished so far. GB/Australia will be the last nations to ride.
Edward_Sloley
05-12-2013
Men's team pursuit qualifying results

Australia 3:55.261
Denmark 3:57.229
They will contest the gold medal later.

Great Britain 3:57.385
New Zealand 3:57.757
They will contest the bronze medal later.
Edward_Sloley
05-12-2013
Was expecting GB (not Denmark) to ride against Australia for the gold later, so a surprise there. Mind you, I wasn't quite convinced about their form back in Manchester (yes, they won there, but the time was hardly spectacular).

Anyhow, it's the women's team pursuit now. 15 nations here too, with GB the last to ride. It'll be an hour or so until the qualifying round ends.
Edward_Sloley
05-12-2013
14 nations later, the fastest so far are Canada with 4:19.629 - just 25 thousands outside the world record. Great Britain about to get going.
Edward_Sloley
05-12-2013
Women's team pursuit qualifying results

Great Britain 4:19.115 [NEW WR]
Canada 4:19.629
They will contest the gold medal later.

Australia 4:23.820
United States 4:24.279
They will contest the bronze medal later.
Edward_Sloley
05-12-2013
GB the fastest as expected with a WR, but Canada came closer than I thought. That said, it is the qualifying round and I wonder how much they left in reserve for the medal race.
Edward_Sloley
05-12-2013
Venezuela narrowly missed out on becoming only the fourth nation to perform a sub-43 second men's team sprint (43.011); would have been the first since GBs 42.600 WR in the Olympic final last year.

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The Netherlands have taken that honour with a 42.995 clocking. That WR may be beaten tonight.

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Great Britain v China - 42.339 [FORMER NEW WR] v 43.954

F*** me! 3 heats still left...

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Australia now the fifth sub-43 nation (and second fastest ever for that instant) with 42.671! 2 heats left...

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France already sub-43 in the past, but now second fastest ever (for that instant) with 42.397!

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Germany v New Zealand - 41.871 [NEW WR] v 43.242

Sub-42.....SUB-42!!! I'm vocally lost for words here......
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