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I thought he was more defensive and the goals were an occasional bonus. I hope so for his sake as if he's competing with the other group with Oscar thrown in, he'd be better off staying where he is for another year.
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Welcome
Hopefully this thread will see us win the premiership, the supercup and a hat trick of european trophies! |
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More speculation about a move for Daniele De Rossi. We have apparently improved on our original offer, the talk now is about £15m. I can understand the thinking behind the deal, it would be an immediate short-term solution to our problem in defensive midfield, we have plenty of players capable of playing alongside him in a 4-2-3-1, or he could play the straightforward holding role in a 4-3-3.
Can't help thinking it's a bit of a let-down after a season talking about the possibility of Fellaini (or some other rising star) joining us. De Rossi is (or was) an outstanding player, but he's not one for the long-term future. |
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More speculation about a move for Daniele De Rossi. We have apparently improved on our original offer, the talk now is about £15m. I can understand the thinking behind the deal, it would be an immediate short-term solution to our problem in defensive midfield, we have plenty of players capable of playing alongside him in a 4-2-3-1, or he could play the straightforward holding role in a 4-3-3.
Can't help thinking it's a bit of a let-down after a season talking about the possibility of Fellaini (or some other rising star) joining us. De Rossi is (or was) an outstanding player, but he's not one for the long-term future. If it were 10, i could sort of agree - a swap for mikkel in monetary terms. If we are spending big, throw in another 5 or 6 million and get the real deal in Fellaini. Why no one has secured his services is beyond me. Would he strengthen arsenal, united or chelsea? yes, yes and yes. Its all well and goo signing yet another young forward facing player but without propping them up its an expensive house build on poor foundations. |
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Matej Delac has signed for Vojvodina on loan for the season.
No idea who the hell they are, but I think we're already into double figures for loan deals
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Matej Delac has signed for Vojvodina on loan for the season.
No idea who the hell they are, but I think we're already into double figures for loan deals ![]() Otherwise what the point, unless its a business plan? |
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Loans are fine, but there has to be a pathway for them, if they do well, to get into our first team.
Otherwise what the point, unless its a business plan? |
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Gomez off to Fiorentina i see, dodged a bullet there i think. Villa to Athletico Madrid also. Strikers are on the move and we are yet to sign one, im surprised really.
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It doesn't help that we have been linked with almost every striker that has moved this window. It would be funny if we were done already and Schurrle and van Ginkel were it. I don't think I would mind as our squad is pretty strong already. Just the endless speculation is doing my head in.
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Bony about to sign for Swansea. Was never keen on him, so that's another rumour I'm glad to see the back of.
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Am i 100% convinced that Torres and Lukaku (and Ba) can fire us to the premier league / CL? No, and therefore i think we need to sign someone else. Torres is not going to be his old self, Lukaku is still unproven at the highest level and Ba has never really looked like a world class striker. Fact is it will be a bold move to not sign anyone else if we want to fully challenge for the league and CL.
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It doesn't help that we have been linked with almost every striker that has moved this window. It would be funny if we were done already and Schurrle and van Ginkel were it. I don't think I would mind as our squad is pretty strong already. Just the endless speculation is doing my head in.
At least we are not in the situation that our rivals are in: United have their star (english) player asking for 2 transfers. Arsenal are linked with Higuain, Rooney, Fellaini and uncle tom cobley and they will sign no one. Liverpool have sold some decent english players and replaced them with untested players having spent the Suarez money before it arrives! City have sold tevez and balotelli, and look like dzeko is going too! |
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If the window closed right now, we would have a good team to go forward.
At least we are not in the situation that our rivals are in: United have their star (english) player asking for 2 transfers. Arsenal are linked with Higuain, Rooney, Fellaini and uncle tom cobley and they will sign no one. Liverpool have sold some decent english players and replaced them with untested players having spent the Suarez money before it arrives! City have sold tevez and balotelli, and look like dzeko is going too! I hate to scapegoat, but our striking problem is rooted in Torres. The team was re-engineered for him rather than him adapting to the style of play we already had, but he wasn't in the form to make use of it. Our problem is maybe Roman hasn't accepted this and will try and get Jose to make his bad buy good (though I can't see Jose being told what team to pick). Ba and Lukaku seem more adaptable and don't require a team being built around them. I think we can get by on an outstanding midfield if our defence improves, our strikers only need to be adequate with the service they're getting for us to be successful. Torres has actually been more of a hindrance despite his moments as we have never been able to count on him being consistently adequate. |
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Realistically Man Utd and Man City should be our real challengers. Man Utd have a damn good team but definitely some question marks over Moyes and whether he can step up. To be fair to Moyes, any manager who went in after Fergie would have question marks against them, including Jose.
Man City look good value for a strong title challenge, theyve improved their team and they have a better manager this year(IMO), but so we do we in Jose. You also forget they have Aguero who is up there with RVP and Suarez as the best strikers in the league. So losing Tevez and Dzeko really isnt a big deal to them. They will likely sign another striker before the transfer windows out as well. I still think sorting our striker issue out is the main thing that we need to do. Too long we have relied on Torres and he arguebly ruined our defence last season also as we went all out attacking and played 3 attacking midfielders to try get the best out of him. The balance of the team was lost and we suffered greatly. We cant pander to him anymore we have to play our best, balanced team. That also applies to Mata, Oscar and Hazard, im still not convinced we can play all 3 behind the striker. Oscar in midfield maybe, but i expect to see Schrulle/Moses a lot just like under Rafa. My current first 11 would be something like: Cech Azpi Ivan Terry Cole Oscar Luiz Ramires/Schrulle Mata Hazard Torres/Lukaku |
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City and Arsenal look pretty strong, Arsenal more stable than strong but definitely contenders. I think Arsenal will get Higuain and maybe Fellaini. City look a lot stronger than last year already with Negredo, Navas and Fernandinho (glad they missed out on Isco). Both City and us underperformed last year in the PL so expect next year to be more competitive.
I hate to scapegoat, but our striking problem is rooted in Torres. The team was re-engineered for him rather than him adapting to the style of play we already had, but he wasn't in the form to make use of it. Our problem is maybe Roman hasn't accepted this and will try and get Jose to make his bad buy good (though I can't see Jose being told what team to pick). Ba and Lukaku seem more adaptable and don't require a team being built around them. I think we can get by on an outstanding midfield if our defence improves, our strikers only need to be adequate with the service they're getting for us to be successful. Torres has actually been more of a hindrance despite his moments as we have never been able to count on him being consistently adequate. I have a feeling that even now the fact that Torres is still on our books is holding us back. Mourinho must have been given assurances that there were funds available, but so far he appears reticent to make any firm moves. The Schurrie signing was well advanced before he arrived, so that just leaves Van Ginkel, who is more likely to be one for the future. But the good thing is that Jose will not be satisfied with the current situation. He's not the type to wait patiently for players to be ready, he will want results immediately. I expect a couple of big signings in the current window. |
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My current first 11 would be something like: Cech Azpi Ivan Terry Cole Oscar Luiz Ramires/Schrulle Mata Hazard Torres/Lukaku If two strikers are both on good form (could happen lol) we could also try 4-3-3: Cech Azpi Ivan Terry Cole Ramires/Oscar Luiz Hazard Mata Lukaku Ba/Torres/Schurrle Ramires and Oscar have pretty good engines and seem defensively sound and Hazard has got better at that side as the season has gone on so hopefully wouldn't be too exposed. |
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I agree, the Torres signing was a disaster. It wasn't just the £50m fee involved, the wages (probably £9 or10 million a year ?) and the length of his contract (five and a half years ?) have been crippling. It's altered our thinking, we've bent over backwards to accommodate him.
I have a feeling that even now the fact that Torres is still on our books is holding us back. Mourinho must have been given assurances that there were funds available, but so far he appears reticent to make any firm moves. The Schurrie signing was well advanced before he arrived, so that just leaves Van Ginkel, who is more likely to be one for the future. But the good thing is that Jose will not be satisfied with the current situation. He's not the type to wait patiently for players to be ready, he will want results immediately. I expect a couple of big signings in the current window. |
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I'm surprised everyone seems to think David Luiz will continue playing in midfield ? I no longer feel he's a liability playing at CB, he had a great Confederation's Cup, and could become one of the best in the world in that position.
Maybe the last bit was a trifle over the top, but he could still become a damn good CB.
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Mentioned this a while back, but now that he's officially handed in a transfer request, why not Benteke?
He showed what he can do in the Premier League last season, he must have some mates at our club, and would cost nowhere near what Cavani would. Think we should be looking at him, he would be a great additional striking option for the team. |
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I'd be a bit underwhelmed with Benteke, when we've already got better with Lukaku.
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I'm surprised everyone seems to think David Luiz will continue playing in midfield ? I no longer feel he's a liability playing at CB, he had a great Confederation's Cup, and could become one of the best in the world in that position.
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Mentioned this a while back, but now that he's officially handed in a transfer request, why not Benteke?
He showed what he can do in the Premier League last season, he must have some mates at our club, and would cost nowhere near what Cavani would. Think we should be looking at him, he would be a great additional striking option for the team. edit: transfer request on the day where we are properly linked with him?
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I'd be a bit underwhelmed with Benteke, when we've already got better with Lukaku.
Actually, forgetting all his problems, Suarez would be the perfect capture for us. He can play a lone strikers role if necessary, or play as the the support striker. He wouldn't hamper Lukaku's development, and could also work with Torres or Ba (if they are staying) Same goes for Rooney of course (but I'd be a bit worried about his fitness and dramatic dip in form last season) |
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Lets hope that Benteke is not joining us.
We already have a big strong guy to go up front, who actually seems genuinely likable and wants to play for us. It would be money down the drain. |
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