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Don't believe it for a second.
Can see JT wanting a 3 year contract and i can see why we would not want to offer him that. Wages are going to be a issue as I would guess he one of the highest paid players at the club. I personally would met in the middle and offer a two year deal but wages would have to come down quite abit. Hopefully we can sort something out that makes both sides happy as would love both Lamps and JT to retire at the club |
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most players lower contract length with every contract near end of their careers. cant see it being a big issue.
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most players lower contract length with every contract near end of their careers. cant see it being a big issue.
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True but there are alot more options nowadays. With money flowing though the game someone like him would attract a 3 year big money contract offer while yes the level of the football might not be great the money on offer is hard to turn down even for players as wealthy as they are today.
just an opinion,i have nothing to back that up lol |
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yeah USA or Qatar could come calling but i think terry would prefer to stay at chelsea.
just an opinion,i have nothing to back that up lol |
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Wenger really needs to learn Jose owns him.
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Wenger really needs to learn Jose owns him.
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Jose spoke very well. This is in danger of being a very good natured transfer which has to be a rarity at the top level.
Said everything that needed to be said. This is a deal not about what fans "want" but what is "right" and I think everyone has come out a winner and with dignty. Something that is very very rare in football nowadays |
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Essien's gone to Milan. On loan for 18 months or on a free, either way, he's gone for good.
One of my favourite ever players. He'd still be one of the best in the world today if not for those bastard injuries
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Essien's gone to Milan. On loan for 18 months or on a free, either way, he's gone for good.
He'd still be one of the best in the world today if not for those bastard injuries ![]() Bye Essien and thanks for everything.
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Essien's gone to Milan. On loan for 18 months or on a free, either way, he's gone for good.
One of my favourite ever players. He'd still be one of the best in the world today if not for those bastard injuries ![]() Still remember his goal against Arsenal |
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I thought Essien was out of contract this summer, but after NinjyBear's post I looked it up and it does indeed run 'til 2015. Surprising really that we gave him a further 2 year extension in summer 2010 on top of a deal that had already been due to run ;til 2013 anyway when he'd already had 2 serious injuries by then that had ruled him out a large chunk of the previous couple of years. No wonder the club are more cautious with extending contracts these days.
Brilliant player for us in his prime though. The goals against Arsenal and Barca live long in the memory. |
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I bid a fond farewell to Essien, "the bison".
Injuries really did affect his career, he was never the same again. |
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It is pretty gutting to see both Mata and Essien go. Both have been fantastic players for us. Mata was a few seasons away from being up there with the Chelsea greats like Zola etc, and Essien was an absolute beast, one of the best midfielders the premier league has ever seen IMO, shame injuries ruined his career.
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Yes, it's sad about Michael Essien. But he's joining a big name club in a beautiful city, I'm sure he'll enjoy the final years of his career. I also read that we're doing the right thing by him financially, he'll be taking a cut in wages, but we're making up any difference for the remainder of his contract.
One of my favourite players, he didn't take any prisoners, but he could take it himself as well as dishing it out...and usually with a big smile on his face. Still only 31 years old, without the injuries he would probably have had another 4 or 5 years at the top. |
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Yes, it's sad about Michael Essien. But he's joining a big name club in a beautiful city, I'm sure he'll enjoy the final years of his career. I also read that we're doing the right thing by him financially, he'll be taking a cut in wages, but we're making up any difference for the remainder of his contract.
One of my favourite players, he didn't take any prisoners, but he could take it himself as well as dishing it out...and usually with a big smile on his face. Still only 31 years old, without the injuries he would probably have had another 4 or 5 years at the top. Milan have a great record extending the career of players so it's a very good move for him. |
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I can't believe it's finally happened... At the beginning of the season when there were talks of Mata not being Jose's type of player I just brushed them off. Who wouldn't want a player who was 2 times player of the year. Who wouldn't want a player who came off the back of a season with 20 goals and 30 assists. Who wouldn't want a player who almost carried us at times during his past two seasons with us? It was completely unthinkable at the time. And then, when Jose made those comments about him building Oscar as his no. 10, I still dismissed the idea that Mata couldn't adapt. There were times last season when watching our three amigos playing were a joy to watch - Norwich at home really springs to mind. We bought Mata as a winger anyway and that was position in Valencia so I didn't think too much of it. Not to mention with our style of play, our three playmakers like to drift inside; again, I still believed Mata could adapt. Fast forward to the Spurs game and when Mata came on, he ran the show. His passing at times was just orgasmic to say the least...not to mention he got the assist for Terry's header. I thought this was the game that proved to all the doubters that Mata still has a place in Jose's plans. And then fast forward a few weeks he was getting much less prominent game time. He was getting subbed off more and couldn't affect the game like we know he can. Both Oscar and Hazard were fluctuating between poor and average during November and early December and it was fustrating not to see a player of Mata's quality given more playing time - especially since Mou always talks about players having to earn their starting spot...but I still kept on believing that he will get his chance soon enough. I missed Mata's last two matches with us (the Swansea and Southampton game) but was he really that bad during those games? I managed to catch the pathetic 'highlights' from MOTD and for the Swansea game, he delivered two chances on a plate for Eto'o. I wasn't able to catch any highlights for the Southampton game but I did see Mata's reaction to being subbed off and I felt really sad for him. Here is a player who just wants to play and he wasn't able to get any sort of consistency going. How was Mata supposed to adapt to a new manager, a new system, a new philosophy without regular game time? It's not like Oscar and Hazard hit the ground running either. Mata was trying; in the appearences he made he wasn't just strolling around the pitch waiting aimlessly for the ball. There were times where he did concede fouls and he did concede corners. Why? Because he was trying to adapt to this new high pressing game that Jose was trying to implement. Mata was never going to a be a person who can hit successful tackles like Oscar can but he was trying his best. Quote:
Mata is great on the ball.
He has no pace whatsoever, is lightweight and never puts a true shift in he is exactly what united do not need at the moment,, and why we should take the huge amount of money and run . He's been an absolute professional through all of this and my heart died a little when I saw it being confirmed that he's now heading off to Manchester United. I can't bear to click on the United supporters thread...to seem him in a red shirt and celebrating with the likes of Rooney and Welbeck, **** me. I'll have to avoid all Man U games for a while now. It hurts even more knowing that he could have offered us so much more. He always speaks about how much he loves living London and playing for the club - he seemed like a player who would become part of our new spine, a player who could become a legend here. Perhaps if it wasn't a WC year he might have stayed, who knows... but I wish Juan all the best. Quote:
But results are not backing you up.
Where would we be with him in the team? Its not just about tracking back, There are many other reasons Why sell him to the club that wont sell us Rooney? Really? Are we going to be that childish? You wont let me play with your toy so you can not play with mine? So what if they are a force again? We are a force and i have more then enough faith in our team that we can see off Man Utd no matter how much of a force they are, We did it before when they they were near the hights of their force and we will do it again We cannot force clubs to put in bids. No club was going to match that figure in January even the mega-rich ones and between now and the end of the season I doubt Mata would have got 90 minutes of football so clubs again would not have put in such a high bid. We are in a better place in the league then we have been in the last 2 years, Surely that is a sign we are moving in the right way? But I do agree that we are a force and I won't be worried when we face Man U with Mata in the team. When Man U get a new defence and a world class CM, then I will start to panic. Until then, one great player isn't going to salvage their season. We should know better than anyone! You need a system, a good manager and players that fit your system. It will be interesting to see how Moyes will accomodate Mata; we all know his best position is CAM, so I wonder if Rooney will play on the wings? But anyway, I don't really really want to discuss this right now. You're right, we are moving in the right direction. Even though it's sad to see a fantastic player like Juan going to a rival our future looks bright. It's quite funny seeing how it looked like we were going to play a more posession-based style of play (we were probably gearing for Pep) and now we're going back to more fast/counter-attacking play. If it's true that we're in for the likes of Luke Shaw and Zouma then our future looks really good. Hopefully Lukaku and Courtois can be integrated in the team and we'll be set for the next decade! Quote:
I can deal with us selling Mata, although I'm not happy with it being to United. What irks me the most though is the timing of the deal. Mata didn't put in a transfer request as far as I've heard so it seems like we've willingly allowed him to go now rather than in the summer. Unless we're going to re-invest the money (or at least part of it) in this transfer window then we've seemingly just decreased our chances of winning the title by reducing our AM options. Yes we might be making a few extra million from selling him now, but are we really that desperate for it that we'd jeopardise our chances of success this season? We now only have Schurrle as an alternative to the three in the team, and apart from the game at Stoke he's yet to make any real impression.
). I wish we could have delayed the deal till the summer. So what if we couldn't recoup as much as £37m in the summer transfer window. Would Mata's value really fall that much? I mean we paid £30m for Willian!! We might have made a profit on Mata's sale but look where we spent the money on: Salah, another attacking midfielder (it's not like we don't have enough of those....Traore, Piazon, Atsu, Moses and Marin all say hi). For all this talk about we got a great fee etc etc.... just look at how much we paid for Salah. We reinvested the profit from Mata's sale to buy another AM when we could have developed one of our youngsters instead. I don't have anything against the player but I feel he's just going to be a squad player for us (would love to be proven wrong though). Quote:
Salah is definitely talented having skinned Ivanovic numerous times this season already. He's an old looking 21 and seems to have been around for a while as well, but okay... Just wish we'd saved the money for a striker and recalled Moses as cover. He'd probably be grateful to make our bench now. As an aside, how was Mata 'only' on 70k a week??? I hope Torres was topping him up as he's put in a striker's tally of goals on his behalf over the past two years.
Bye Juan and thanks for eveything! |
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I'd also like to say goodbye and thanks to Essien too. I don't have time right now to write another long post so I'll just keep this short. We all knew it was coming sooner rather later but it seems so weird now that it's finally happened. After his loan spell at Real Madrid, I was thinking we might a rejuvenated Essien again but alas, it wasn't to be.
Best of luck to you Essien!
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I agree with everything you've said about Mata and Essien. I wish Jose could have found a role for him, but if he's not starting I want him to do well elsewhere, even with them. He is a nice guy and the fact he was on 70k after being our player of the year for the past 2 years is a testament to his humility. He's been dignified throughout and I hope we win the prem this year and get him a medal to complete his collection with us. I trust Jose to make us a winning team, but it is a shame Mata has been a casualty as he has held us together for a while.
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Sometimes players don't fit in with managers for one reason or another. For some reason the manager who will lead you to great things didn't fancy Mata so i guess he becomes a casualty of that.
In the end we get a player that i am absolutely chuffed about signing, but you guys get £37m for a player who Mourinho simply wasn't going to pick anyway. Personally i think that everyones comes out of this transfer with great credit. Chelsea, Man Utd , Mourinho, Moyes and Mata. Everyone has treated everyone else with great respect and spoken REALLY well in the media. None of the usual back stabbing and one-upmanship. Sometimes a deal just suits everyone and i think this is one of those times. |
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Sometimes a deal just suits everyone and i think this is one of those times.
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I agree. As much as I like Mata this transfer is for the best all round. He's gone to a top club, United have a top player and we got top dollar.
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I also think its not a bad move by Mourinho either. I think it sends a wee message to the players. If he can punt the twice player of the year then you better bloody well perform because no one is safe. He is demonstrating that without saying a word or attacking anyone. He's not daft.
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Chelsea got good money for Juan Mata. But it would've been better if Chelsea didn't give Man United a lifeline by selling their best player to them. They will use Mata to lure other big players to their club.
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I agree. As much as I like Mata this transfer is for the best all round. He's gone to a top club, United have a top player and we got top dollar.
I worry by losing creative players of Chelsea win the league what style it will be? Worrying the manager isn't doing enough to being in a new striker. |
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. He's been an absolute professional through all of this and my heart died a little when I saw it being confirmed that he's now heading off to Manchester United. I can't bear to click on the United supporters thread...to seem him in a red shirt and celebrating with the likes of Rooney and Welbeck, **** me. I'll have to avoid all Man U games for a while now.
). I wish we could have delayed the deal till the summer. So what if we couldn't recoup as much as £37m in the summer transfer window. Would Mata's value really fall that much? I mean we paid £30m for Willian!! We might have made a profit on Mata's sale but look where we spent the money on: Salah, another attacking midfielder (it's not like we don't have enough of those....Traore, Piazon, Atsu, Moses and Marin all say hi). For all this talk about we got a great fee etc etc.... just look at how much we paid for Salah. We reinvested the profit from Mata's sale to buy another AM when we could have developed one of our youngsters instead. I don't have anything against the player but I feel he's just going to be a squad player for us (would love to be proven wrong though). 