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Chelsea Supporters Thread (Part 4)
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The_don1
01-05-2014
Originally Posted by Dixon:
“The media have the 'contacts' and know a lot more about what's going on than you do!
If Hazard is starting to have doubts about Jose? then i think it's extremely signfiicant bit of info!
Hazard, Mata and Oscar were brought in to change our whole style of play and make us more attractive and entertaiing to watch.
We've already seen one go out the door and replaced by a vastly inferior player in Willian. If Hazard is becoming unhappy? i am damned sure RA would take note of why!
I dread to think of the possibility of losing Mata, Hazard and Oscar and be left with the mediocre non entities like Willian, Salah and Schurlle

Back to Costa.
He really doesn't look anywhere near good enough!
I'd rather we wait and see if any talent emerges from the World Cup than waste a lot of money on Costa.”

Ohhhh you mean Mr Source inside the club? This guy seems to work for every club going but nobody seems to know who he is, he must be very busy, Personally I would check if the guy who empties the bins for all these clubs are the same person

The media also have a agenda depending on who they work for. If they started reporting FACTS only and stopped coming out with rumours and putting a personal view on something I might give them some credit (doubt it since most are idiots and have trouble staying in between the lines when doing their coloring in),

How do you know who i know?

Yes lets not look at someone over the course of the season and mirror it to the type of player and person we are looking for and buy someone who performs well in one tournment and we have not done any homework on and one who 5 other clubs will be after because that has never gone wrong has it? Yep lets go for the current media darling because they can see talent in 4 or 5 games.

Why are we meant to belive Hazzard is unhappy when the same people with the same sources kept banging on about Rooney being unhappy? They are rarely right and cover themselfs with the same old excuses every single time.
carefree_blue
01-05-2014
Originally Posted by Dixon:
“I dread to think of the possibility of losing Mata, Hazard and Oscar and be left with the mediocre non entities like Willian, Salah and Schurlle”

It was only a few weeks ago that you were talking of selling Oscar, and now you're dreading the possibility of him leaving?
The_don1
01-05-2014
Originally Posted by carefree_blue:
“It was only a few weeks ago that you were talking of selling Oscar, and now you're dreading the possibility of him leaving?”

Media darling and we cannot sell players that the experts (who know more about football then anyone BTW) like
The_don1
01-05-2014
Just seen this was from a "interview" in france and being reported in a certain way BY THE FRENCH media, This is what I mean about agenda, Their agenda is to cause issues so if PSG (a french club) put a bid in for him.

His actually words do not say anything about him being unhappy, He says we are set up like Real Madrid (a team who someone things we should aim to be like). He also says its hard work and not easy. Nothing to me is saying "unhappy", My work is hard and not easy and I am happy.

Its the same with posters on here, Some have a agenda of being anti-Jose and any little thing is spinned in a way which suits that.

Instead of saying what people "think" he meant just say what was said

We are a counter-attacking team (er anyone who watches us can see that)
Our counter-attacks come mostly from him (again very clear to see)
Its hard and not easy (Football at this level is hard and not easy)

No meantion of being unhappy and does not even meantion the manager or his style.

Oh and upon looking at where this interview came from something even more, They are owned by a company from the same country that owns PSG, mmmmmmm funny that.
Dixon
01-05-2014
Originally Posted by carefree_blue:
“It was only a few weeks ago that you were talking of selling Oscar, and now you're dreading the possibility of him leaving?”

Under Jose he's become a shadow of the player he was last season!
Yes, early season he was scoring some goals but i don't think his allround play was that great.
Last season, especially the second half of it, the link up play betwen Mata, Oscar and Hazard was fantastic to watch! It really did look like a new era for the club with a team being built to play not just winning football, but exciting, attractive football based on creative, attacking flair.
Well, Jose has taken a freaking great chainsaw to that!

As for the media.
They were bang on about Jose returning.
Bang on about Mata leaving.
One journo to listen to is Ian Mcgarry. He has an 'insider' who's not only 'high up' but close to RA.
The_don1
01-05-2014
Originally Posted by Dixon:
“Under Jose he's become a shadow of the player he was last season!
Yes, early season he was scoring some goals but i don't think his allround play was that great.
Last season, especially the second half of it, the link up play betwen Mata, Oscar and Hazard was fantastic to watch! It really did look like a new era for the club with a team being built to play not just winning football, but exciting, attractive football based on creative, attacking flair.
Well, Jose has taken a freaking great chainsaw to that!

As for the media.
They were bang on about Jose returning.
Bang on about Mata leaving.
One journo to listen to is Ian Mcgarry. He has an 'insider' who's not only 'high up' but close to RA.”

Name? Rel/ship to Roman? Is it his milkman? Bloke who brings him his tea in the morning?

I have a "insider" to God, He is high up and close to him as well

Anyone could tell you Jose was coming back

Player who is not playing leaves when the league champions put in a bid?

Next newsreport is Friday follows Thursday
carefree_blue
01-05-2014
Originally Posted by Dixon:
“Under Jose he's become a shadow of the player he was last season!
Yes, early season he was scoring some goals but i don't think his allround play was that great.
Last season, especially the second half of it, the link up play betwen Mata, Oscar and Hazard was fantastic to watch! It really did look like a new era for the club with a team being built to play not just winning football, but exciting, attractive football based on creative, attacking flair.
Well, Jose has taken a freaking great chainsaw to that!”

I'd attribute Oscar's drop in form to playing so many games in the last few years. He's probably suffered from not having proper time off in the last three summers due to being involved in various tournaments for Brazil, added to our marathon season last year. Wouldn't surprise me if part of the reason he's been used sparingly of late is to avoid complete burn-out knowing that this summer will be no different with the World Cup looming.
The_don1
01-05-2014
Originally Posted by carefree_blue:
“I'd attribute Oscar's drop in form to playing so many games in the last few years. He's probably suffered from not having proper time off in the last three summers due to being involved in various tournaments for Brazil, added to our marathon season last year. Wouldn't surprise me if part of the reason he's been used sparingly of late is to avoid complete burn-out knowing that this summer will be no different with the World Cup looming.”

Same here, Been asked to perform a differerent role this season then last, We know Jose's training style is a massive step up from what he would have gone though last season and its going to take its toll on a youngster so far from home and with a home World Cup coming up.

Some players can be worked into the ground (JT'S,Lamps,Drogba's,Essien etc) and some need very different handling, Its called man mangement, You treat each person basied on the type of person they are and the best way to get the best out of them long term
Dixon
01-05-2014
Quote:
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QUOTE=The_don1;72452711]Ohhhh you mean Mr Source inside the club? This guy seems to work for every club going but nobody seems to know who he is, he must be very busy, Personally I would check if the guy who empties the bins for all these clubs are the same person

The media also have a agenda depending on who they work for. If they started reporting FACTS only and stopped coming out with rumours and putting a personal view on something I might give them some credit (doubt it since most are idiots and have trouble staying in between the lines when doing their coloring in),

How do you know who i know?

Yes lets not look at someone over the course of the season and mirror it to the type of player and person we are looking for and buy someone who performs well in one tournment and we have not done any homework on and one who 5 other clubs will be after because that has never gone wrong has it? Yep lets go for the current media darling because they can see talent in 4 or 5 games.

Why are we meant to belive Hazzard is unhappy when the same people with the same sources kept banging on about Rooney being unhappy? They are rarely right and cover themselfs with the same old excuses every single time.[/quote]


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Dixon
01-05-2014
Originally Posted by The_don1:
“Name? Rel/ship to Roman? Is it his milkman? Bloke who brings him his tea in the morning?

I have a "insider" to God, He is high up and close to him as well

Anyone could tell you Jose was coming back

Player who is not playing leaves when the league champions put in a bid?

Next newsreport is Friday follows Thursday”


So are you saying Mcgarry, and all the media he works for are spinning one big lie?
He's very pro Chelsea btw.
The_don1
01-05-2014
Originally Posted by Dixon:
“So are you saying Mcgarry, and all the media he works for are spinning one big lie?
He's very pro Chelsea btw.”

No I am saying they put "their spin" on it, Regardless of if its pro or anti Chelsea. Instead of reporting just the facts. There was a reporter for one newspaper who came out and said his sports editor told all his staff that there was point no in presenting a "pro" Chelsea story as it would not be published.

There job is to sell papers, If they publish the truth or lies it doesnt matter as long as they sell. They know stories like "Hazzard attacks Jose" sells more and gets more attention from "Hazzard Loves Jose" from the sort of people who follow the media. If in doubt go negative is byword for todays media

Was not he sacked from a job for some article he did?
RichmondBlue
01-05-2014
Originally Posted by The_don1:
“We was beaten by the better team, Nothing wrong with that, No dodgy decison's no mistakes no complaints and thats the way I like it.

People will talk about the money that each team costs but its not a factor, We might have better indiverdual players but they have a better TEAM and a better team will always beat a team of indiverduals over two legs, They are just further along in the project then us. They are this season where I expect to be next season.

Each season all you can ask is your team improves and we have improved from last season. Next season we will hopefully do the same and I fully expect us to.

Have to say our keeper (or theirs) was very impressive after the game, He went up everyone and hugged etc (even think he gave Eva a kiss) and went around the pitch clapping the Chelsea fan's, This is masssive for him and we could have (I think we will have) a Champions League and League winning goal keeper playing for us in a year or so and cosidering we have already made profit on him though loan fees etc its bloody good business.

Costa mmmm, Ok he as not looked good against us but name a striker who has? We not looking to buy a player to play against us (We would not buy Messi if playing against us was a measuring stick), He has played well against everyone and would like to see what he does in the final. Plus he looks like a C*nt and they make very good players. But with any big money signing its a risk but at hopefully this time we have spent some time looking at who to buy”

I was waiting for your report.
Just wanted to ask you how the game appeared from your perspective and those of the people around you. Watching at home, I thought we looked comfortable in the first half. We seemed to be causing them problems, particularly with Hazard down the left, their RB appeared to go into panic mode a few times.
I thought we were controlling the midfield, and Willian in particular was having a great game. We took the lead, maybe a little fortunately, but everything appeared to be going to plan. Then some sloppy defending following a seemingly innocuous cross allowed them to score.
It was a terrible time to concede a goal, but I still wasn't too worried as I said at the time.
Everything seemed to change in the second half. We still only needed to score to go through, but suddenly Atletico appeared to be a different side.
How did you see it ?
The_don1
01-05-2014
Originally Posted by RichmondBlue:
“I was waiting for your report.
Just wanted to ask you how the game appeared from your perspective and those of the people around you. Watching at home, I thought we looked comfortable in the first half. We seemed to be causing them problems, particularly with Hazard down the left, their RB appeared to go into panic mode a few times.
I thought we were controlling the midfield, and Willian in particular was having a great game. We took the lead, maybe a little fortunately, but everything appeared to be going to plan. Then some sloppy defending following a seemingly innocuous cross allowed them to score.
It was a terrible time to concede a goal, but I still wasn't too worried as I said at the time.
Everything seemed to change in the second half. We still only needed to score to go through, but suddenly Atletico appeared to be a different side.
How did you see it ?”

Yea i think you got it spot on, We started well and things was going well, We scored and then we went to sleep for a few seconds and they scored. That was the first turning point and the second one was the pen, AM came out and played as a team (much like we have in big games in the past) in the second half. The first goal came at the right time for them.

You could tell that the manager had been there awhile and had drilled his team to where they knew what was needed and how to obtain it. Once again nobody played outstanding for them but they was all at the same high level and that will win over two legs 9/10.

Maybe the first change for us was too early but its a thin line between to early/perfect/to late and Jose gets them right more often then not.

The mood was very much what I think we felt, It was just one of those results. A step to far at the moment. Yes disapointment but not as bad as in the past
RichmondBlue
02-05-2014
Originally Posted by The_don1:
“Yea i think you got it spot on, We started well and things was going well, We scored and then we went to sleep for a few seconds and they scored. That was the first turning point and the second one was the pen, AM came out and played as a team (much like we have in big games in the past) in the second half. The first goal came at the right time for them.

You could tell that the manager had been there awhile and had drilled his team to where they knew what was needed and how to obtain it. Once again nobody played outstanding for them but they was all at the same high level and that will win over two legs 9/10.

Maybe the first change for us was too early but its a thin line between to early/perfect/to late and Jose gets them right more often then not.

The mood was very much what I think we felt, It was just one of those results. A step to far at the moment. Yes disapointment but not as bad as in the past”

Thanks. Yes, Simeone appeared to send out his team with a real sense of purpose in the second half, they started taking the game to us with more confidence. That seemed to catch us by surprise.
The penalty was a real bummer. Eto'o didn't need to attempt to win the ball. He had done the right thing, putting himself between Costa and the goal, all he needed to do was stand firm.
I thought Jose brought on Eto'o too early as well. In fact I thought it was a surprise choice. I could understand him reverting to his usual back four, but I thought he might have brought on Oscar. He has shown the knack for getting vital goals in European games before, and he also never shirks doing the hard work in midfield either. But I suppose with their previous relationship, he trusted Eto'o more in such a big game ?
Oh well, that's it for this season..barring a miracle.
The_don1
02-05-2014
Originally Posted by RichmondBlue:
“Thanks. Yes, Simeone appeared to send out his team with a real sense of purpose in the second half, they started taking the game to us with more confidence. That seemed to catch us by surprise.
The penalty was a real bummer. Eto'o didn't need to attempt to win the ball. He had done the right thing, putting himself between Costa and the goal, all he needed to do was stand firm.
I thought Jose brought on Eto'o too early as well. In fact I thought it was a surprise choice. I could understand him reverting to his usual back four, but I thought he might have brought on Oscar. He has shown the knack for getting vital goals in European games before, and he also never shirks doing the hard work in midfield either. But I suppose with their previous relationship, he trusted Eto'o more in such a big game ?
Oh well, that's it for this season..barring a miracle. ”

Still been a very good season and a improvement on last season and also alot more to be posative about going into next season then at this point last year.
ati_qtimporta
02-05-2014
Diego Costa signed for Chelsea.
40 million € and 4million clear for him/year.

http://translate.google.com/translat...-8&sl=es&tl=en


Brazilian striker Diego Costa signed for Chelsea. Although there will be official until after the Champions League final, the agreement between Atletico Madrid and the English club is already full. Chelsea pay 40 million euros for the Atletico striker and it will have a five-year contract. Costa charged, according to reports in England, a total of 4 million euros a year clean.

The agreement between Chelsea and Atletico precisely closed last Wednesday, after the victory at Stamford Bridge and white set (1-3), which meant the team classification Simeone for the Champions League final on 24 May. Leaders from both clubs met after the meeting with the representative of Diego Costa to finish all the transfer details which could include the return of Fernando Torres Atletico.

Mourinho was determined to secure the services of Diego Costa for it to become the new leader of the project at Chelsea. His arrival at the London club could also mean the departure of Eto'o and Demba Ba, pursued by Tottenham and Galatasaray respectively
The_don1
02-05-2014
I see someone has chucked his toys out the pram and started a seprate theard about a non-story, At least he will get lots of attention from his beloved neturals that way,
Jokanovic
02-05-2014
Yeah, he just wants the rest of the forum to agree with him as he knows they all will.
The_don1
02-05-2014
Originally Posted by Jokanovic:
“Yeah, he just wants the rest of the forum to agree with him as he knows they all will.”

You will get the same old names agreeing with him but already some have said Jose is right.

He just needs to feel "the love" and if he has to get the love from WUM's and people who would agree Chelsea and Jose caused the 2nd World War who are we to deprive from getting that love
Dixon
02-05-2014
Originally Posted by The_don1:
“I see someone has chucked his toys out the pram and started a seprate theard about a non-story, At least he will get lots of attention from his beloved neturals that way,”

Had enough of you lot not liking me having my own opinion so i thought i'd post it elsewhere.
I've heard enough Chelsea fans agree with me about Jose btw. Still, i shouldn't call them Chelsea fans, because unless you worship at the altar of Jose, you cannot be called a Chelsea fan anymore!
Jokanovic
02-05-2014
Originally Posted by The_don1:
“You will get the same old names agreeing with him but already some have said Jose is right.

He just needs to feel "the love" and if he has to get the love from WUM's and people who would agree Chelsea and Jose caused the 2nd World War who are we to deprive from getting that love”

Yep, once Pee joins in he will fell mission accomplished. Very tedious.
The_don1
02-05-2014
Originally Posted by Dixon:
“Had enough of you lot not liking me having my own opinion so i thought i'd post it elsewhere.
I've heard enough Chelsea fans agree with me about Jose btw. Still, i shouldn't call them Chelsea fans, because unless you worship at the altar of Jose, you cannot be called a Chelsea fan anymore!”

Not liking "you having your own opinion" is very different from people disagreeing with you which is what the case actually was (never let the truth getting in the way of a good story)
The_don1
02-05-2014
Originally Posted by Jokanovic:
“Yep, once Pee joins in he will fell mission accomplished. Very tedious.”

Am waiting for the being hounded out by the Jose lovers comment coming at some point.

Considering I did not think it was a good idea he coming back I not sure how that classes me as a Jose lover but hay I have been called worse
RichmondBlue
02-05-2014
Originally Posted by The_don1:
“I see someone has chucked his toys out the pram and started a seprate theard about a non-story, At least he will get lots of attention from his beloved neturals that way,”

It is a non-story. It wasn't long ago (February ?) Jose was saying that Hazard was already the third best player in the world, and that along with Oscar he wasn't for sale at any price. Mourinho is bit stupid to go public with this little spat, but he loves winding the media up. If Jose is out of the headlines for a couple of days, he starts getting withdrawal symptoms.
Dixon
02-05-2014
Originally Posted by RichmondBlue:
“It is a non-story. It wasn't long ago (February ?) Jose was saying that Hazard was already the third best player in the world, and that along with Oscar he wasn't for sale at any price. Mourinho is bit stupid to go public with this little spat, but he loves winding the media up. If Jose is out of the headlines for a couple of days, he starts getting withdrawal symptoms.”


Yeah, like if Rooney was unhappy you lot would be calling it a non story.
You'd be all over it like rash!
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