Another joke referee, where do they get them from ? In all our European matches I can't remember so many bad decisions as the refs in the PL make in one game.
Chelsea Supporters Thread (Part 4)
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The second half was a snapshot of our entire season. We could have played on until midnight without scoring. Against the so called "weaker teams" who put players behind the ball and defend with intelligence, we just don't have the imagination or firepower to break them down. Unless its a stroke of genius from Hazard of course.
Sums up our season. Beat the best sides but can't beat the dross.
3rd place assured and the good thing with football is there is always next season
Not quite sure why Norwich were celebrating though, didn't they need a win? They will probably be down by Wednesday.
3rd place assured and the good thing with football is there is always next season
Not quite sure why Norwich were celebrating though, didn't they need a win? They will probably be down by Wednesday.
One-way traffic for (almost) the entire match. Finishes 0-0.
On the bright side there's only one match left. If only it were against a top 6 team
On the bright side there's only one match left. If only it were against a top 6 team
Originally Posted by NinjyBear:
“One-way traffic for (almost) the entire match. Finishes 0-0.
On the bright side there's only one match left. If only it were against a top 6 team”
“One-way traffic for (almost) the entire match. Finishes 0-0.
On the bright side there's only one match left. If only it were against a top 6 team
”
That's it though. In the past, when we pressed like that, you thought a goal was almost inevitable. Now I'm more worried that the opposition will break away and score against the run of play. We're like a boxer who can flick out punches, dancing around looking pretty, then gets poleaxed with a sucker punch.
Still, we've got the summer to change that. Diego Costa is a good start, an ugly bastard who can find the back of the net.
Err no he didn't but hey why let the facts get in the way.
He said the first half was slow with a lazy approach.. He didn't call the players lazy from what I heard.
He said the first half was slow with a lazy approach.. He didn't call the players lazy from what I heard.
Originally Posted by Dixon:
“He's now calling the players lazy.”
“He's now calling the players lazy.”
Yes let's simplify football and interview's to that degree, perfect example of what harm the media has done to football.
Today like Wednesday was a game to far for the player's when taken from a view point of the level of intelligence they are at.
They just don't have the edge that "title winners" have and you could see that from the faces of players like JT and Ash (who was very emotional after the game).
If we see a performance like that at a stage of the season next season I will be first to complain.
But foe all rubbish about this season and last there is only one truth that matters in fact it's about its true about the last two, there was no situation possible that we had even the remotest chance of winning the league or even challenging for the league, there was never "one" game you could have said if we had only won that we would have won the league, this season the total opposite has been true, I would rather regret what could have been then what never would have been.
You can work on the "could have been", there is nothing you can do about the "never have been".
The style of play,the views of the neutrals or the media don't come into play, it was always in our hands, Liverpool and Man City at many times (and Liverpool would love) during this season would love to have said that until the tale end of the season. We was just missing that extra 10%, we found a extra 70% between this season and last, I don't see any reason why between this and next we can not find a extra 50%, which would see us League Champions
Originally Posted by Jokanovic:
“Err no he didn't but hey why let the facts get in the way.
He said the first half was slow with a lazy approach.. He didn't call the players lazy from what I heard.”
“Err no he didn't but hey why let the facts get in the way.
He said the first half was slow with a lazy approach.. He didn't call the players lazy from what I heard.”
From what i've heard he called them 'lazy' twice during his interview with the written press.
There's bound to be a line or 10 about this in tomorrows papers.
Originally Posted by Dixon:
“From what i've heard he called them 'lazy' twice during his interview with the written press.
There's bound to be a line or 10 about this in tomorrows papers.”
“From what i've heard he called them 'lazy' twice during his interview with the written press.
There's bound to be a line or 10 about this in tomorrows papers.”
And the crux of many people's points are proven, instead of waiting to hearing what he "actually" said you gained your information from what people told you they "heard he said", before you got to what he actually said your mind has already made up.
He never used the word's "the players are lazy", you have taken a snapshot of what was said and they have spun it in a certain way and you have taken that into your mind set
The_don1:
re your points about the previous two seasons.
Yes, at no point were we looking like challenging for the title, but i for one was fine with that!
I was fine with it because i could see the club was at the start of changing their longterm view of how we were going to play the game.
We'd won cups galore, 3 prem titles and of course, finally winning the CL. Brilliant achievments!!!
But the club wanted to try move to another level still, and start trying to win things by playing football that was based on skill, creative attacking flair etc etc etc. It's why we went for Oscar, Hazard and Mata.
That is not the Jose way, so he's come in and taken a wrecking ball to that idea and the previous 2 years planning gone down the drain, and worse still, gone down the drain for football that is now being widely slaughtered instead of applauded like it was being.
Jose has put all his eggs in one basket of win at all costs football, so next year he has to win a big one or he will be gone!
re your points about the previous two seasons.
Yes, at no point were we looking like challenging for the title, but i for one was fine with that!
I was fine with it because i could see the club was at the start of changing their longterm view of how we were going to play the game.
We'd won cups galore, 3 prem titles and of course, finally winning the CL. Brilliant achievments!!!
But the club wanted to try move to another level still, and start trying to win things by playing football that was based on skill, creative attacking flair etc etc etc. It's why we went for Oscar, Hazard and Mata.
That is not the Jose way, so he's come in and taken a wrecking ball to that idea and the previous 2 years planning gone down the drain, and worse still, gone down the drain for football that is now being widely slaughtered instead of applauded like it was being.
Jose has put all his eggs in one basket of win at all costs football, so next year he has to win a big one or he will be gone!
Even when changing our direction and our long term view we should still always challenge for the title, SAF use to rip team's to bits from one season to another and if he did not win it he came close. All the cups are very nice but only one really matters when you have tools at your disposal that Chelsea have had and that's the league, 3 Title's are not good enough.
There should be no situation when competing in a league the level of the premiership that we should not be at least competing for the title, it's just not acceptable ,the very minimum level of every single season has to be single didgets from the league winner. If not we might as well go back 10 years and say "thanks but no thanks" to Roman offering to buy us.
Saying "I can accept us not challenging for the title" unless Roman has walked away or we have suffered a storyline disaster along the lines out of Sky One's Dream Team is just not on
There should be no situation when competing in a league the level of the premiership that we should not be at least competing for the title, it's just not acceptable ,the very minimum level of every single season has to be single didgets from the league winner. If not we might as well go back 10 years and say "thanks but no thanks" to Roman offering to buy us.
Saying "I can accept us not challenging for the title" unless Roman has walked away or we have suffered a storyline disaster along the lines out of Sky One's Dream Team is just not on
Originally Posted by The_don1:
“Even when changing our direction and our long term view we should still always challenge for the title, SAF use to rip team's to bits from one season to another and if he did not win it he came close. All the cups are very nice but only one really matters when you have tools at your disposal that Chelsea have had and that's the league, 3 Title's are not good enough.
There should be no situation when competing in a league the level of the premiership that we should not be at least competing for the title, it's just not acceptable ,the very minimum level of every single season has to be single didgets from the league winner. If not we might as well go back 10 years and say "thanks but no thanks" to Roman offering to buy us.
Saying "I can accept us not challenging for the title" unless Roman has walked away or we have suffered a storyline disaster along the lines out of Sky One's Dream Team is just not on”
“Even when changing our direction and our long term view we should still always challenge for the title, SAF use to rip team's to bits from one season to another and if he did not win it he came close. All the cups are very nice but only one really matters when you have tools at your disposal that Chelsea have had and that's the league, 3 Title's are not good enough.
There should be no situation when competing in a league the level of the premiership that we should not be at least competing for the title, it's just not acceptable ,the very minimum level of every single season has to be single didgets from the league winner. If not we might as well go back 10 years and say "thanks but no thanks" to Roman offering to buy us.
Saying "I can accept us not challenging for the title" unless Roman has walked away or we have suffered a storyline disaster along the lines out of Sky One's Dream Team is just not on”
UTD HAD AN ALLTIME GREAT, GENIOUS MANAGER FOR OVER 20 YEARS!
Originally Posted by Dixon:
“UTD HAD AN ALLTIME GREAT, GENIOUS MANAGER FOR OVER 20 YEARS!”
“UTD HAD AN ALLTIME GREAT, GENIOUS MANAGER FOR OVER 20 YEARS!”
And?
It don't matter who is charge of Chelsea, any manger of any decent level should be capable of challenging for the title. If you cannot challenge for the title with Chelsea then you should not have the job. It's that simple.
You don't have to win it, just give it a go and come as near as possible, the last two seasons that has not happened, the how's and wherefores are ilvelvent
Originally Posted by The_don1:
“I would always pick being slaughtered for nearly winning then applauded for losing”
“I would always pick being slaughtered for nearly winning then applauded for losing”
But we WEREN'T losing and winning nothing last season!
We finished 3rd, which is what we'll do this season.
We got to domestic cup sf's and won another Euro trophy which made us THE ONLY English club to have won 3 Different Euro trophies. That is something we should all be proud of!
This was achieved with our crowd against our manager from day one.
Achieved with a wafer thin squad playing stacks of games.
But, as time went on Mata, Hazard and Oscar were blending more and more and playing some wonderful football.
Luiz looked like the player we always hoped he would be.
Lamps was being used perfectly and banging in goals.
Additions to the squad were needed, and a top striker a main priority in that! With that, plus some tinkering here and there, i thought we were on the right road to a really great team in the making.
What i see now is a largely dull, boring, mess of a team.
Originally Posted by Dixon:
“But we WEREN'T losing and winning nothing last season!
We finished 3rd, which is what we'll do this season.
We got to domestic cup sf's and won another Euro trophy which made us THE ONLY English club to have won 3 Different Euro trophies. That is something we should all be proud of!
This was achieved with our crowd against our manager from day one.
Achieved with a wafer thin squad playing stacks of games.
But, as time went on Mata, Hazard and Oscar were blending more and more and playing some wonderful football.
Luiz looked like the player we always hoped he would be.
Lamps was being used perfectly and banging in goals.
Additions to the squad were needed, and a top striker a main priority in that! With that, plus some tinkering here and there, i thought we were on the right road to a really great team in the making.
What i see now is a largely dull, boring, mess of a team.”
“But we WEREN'T losing and winning nothing last season!
We finished 3rd, which is what we'll do this season.
We got to domestic cup sf's and won another Euro trophy which made us THE ONLY English club to have won 3 Different Euro trophies. That is something we should all be proud of!
This was achieved with our crowd against our manager from day one.
Achieved with a wafer thin squad playing stacks of games.
But, as time went on Mata, Hazard and Oscar were blending more and more and playing some wonderful football.
Luiz looked like the player we always hoped he would be.
Lamps was being used perfectly and banging in goals.
Additions to the squad were needed, and a top striker a main priority in that! With that, plus some tinkering here and there, i thought we were on the right road to a really great team in the making.
What i see now is a largely dull, boring, mess of a team.”
Nothing to be "proud" of winning a competition that we should not have been in, we was in it because we failed.
This talking about the position of just "where" we finished is "Wenger" talk. "Proud of being 4th" and all that nonsense, the classic talk of people who believe "taking part" is the important thing. Ok you finished 3rd, how far behind the winner did you come? 6 hours or 6 minutes are not the same thing, one is acceptable and one is not.
All these players being used in the right way achieved nothing.
Winners of any sport are only proud of winning (or coming close) to winning the "big one" in their chosen sport. The big one in English Football is the premiership.
Being 5 or 6 points from the winners means "tinkering" will win you the title, being double points don't mean you need to tinker it means you get to serious and act.
Originally Posted by Dixon:
“But we WEREN'T losing and winning nothing last season!
We finished 3rd, which is what we'll do this season.
We got to domestic cup sf's and won another Euro trophy which made us THE ONLY English club to have won 3 Different Euro trophies. That is something we should all be proud of!
This was achieved with our crowd against our manager from day one.
Achieved with a wafer thin squad playing stacks of games.
But, as time went on Mata, Hazard and Oscar were blending more and more and playing some wonderful football.
Luiz looked like the player we always hoped he would be.
Lamps was being used perfectly and banging in goals.
Additions to the squad were needed, and a top striker a main priority in that! With that, plus some tinkering here and there, i thought we were on the right road to a really great team in the making.
What i see now is a largely dull, boring, mess of a team.”
“But we WEREN'T losing and winning nothing last season!
We finished 3rd, which is what we'll do this season.
We got to domestic cup sf's and won another Euro trophy which made us THE ONLY English club to have won 3 Different Euro trophies. That is something we should all be proud of!
This was achieved with our crowd against our manager from day one.
Achieved with a wafer thin squad playing stacks of games.
But, as time went on Mata, Hazard and Oscar were blending more and more and playing some wonderful football.
Luiz looked like the player we always hoped he would be.
Lamps was being used perfectly and banging in goals.
Additions to the squad were needed, and a top striker a main priority in that! With that, plus some tinkering here and there, i thought we were on the right road to a really great team in the making.
What i see now is a largely dull, boring, mess of a team.”
I agree with some things you say. Mata, Hazard and Oscar were an exceptional attacking midfield trio. But they didn't work in every game, I can clearly remember us looking very lightweight in some games. Against Man City for example, it was like men against boys.
But I do think Mourunho should have been able to work with all three, bringing in alternatives depending on the opposition, fitness, form etc.
But I also think you have remarkably biased view about the reality of life with Benitez. We really weren't that special, just go back to some of the posts on here about our performances. We won the Europa League, that was an achievement but we didn't beat anyone of any real significance until Benfica in the final..and they're not the force they used to be. We finished third in the PL, but Man Utd were out of sight by March with a side even their own fans didn't rate very highly.
We played some pretty stuff on occasion, but we had glaring holes in central midfield and were leaking stupid goals with kamikaze defending at times. It just wasn't as rosy as you appear to think. Looking around the squad, I think we're in a far better position today. It's far from perfect, there's some way to go, but let's see who's right this time next year.
Originally Posted by The_don1:
“And?
It don't matter who is charge of Chelsea, any manger of any decent level should be capable of challenging for the title. If you cannot challenge for the title with Chelsea then you should not have the job. It's that simple.
You don't have to win it, just give it a go and come as near as possible, the last two seasons that has not happened, the how's and wherefores are ilvelvent”
“And?
It don't matter who is charge of Chelsea, any manger of any decent level should be capable of challenging for the title. If you cannot challenge for the title with Chelsea then you should not have the job. It's that simple.
You don't have to win it, just give it a go and come as near as possible, the last two seasons that has not happened, the how's and wherefores are ilvelvent”
So basically what you are saying is that you are quite happy not to win the league for a number of seasons as long as you aren't double digits off the top spot? Jesus I've seen some bollocks posted on these forums but that has to come close to the biggest load I've seen with all due respect.
We will see what Roman thinks next year if Mourinho ends up potless again!
Guys I know you love Mourinho I can understand why and yes Dixon is a bit ott with his criticism but if you fail to see that this has been a poor season for Chelsea then there is no hope. Jose has made many mistakes and that started way back in the summer. It's not just strikers you need it's creativity too. I didn't mind Mourinho ten years ago, he made me laugh as. much as he pissed me off. He also actually had a shave too but this season he seems so bitter and unhappy and some of the stuff he's coming out with is just ludicrous., not to mention hypocritical at times.
Like I said if he delivers this season next year, he gets the boot. Simple as.
Originally Posted by seellee:
“So basically what you are saying is that you are quite happy not to win the league for a number of seasons as long as you aren't double digits off the top spot? Jesus I've seen some bollocks posted on these forums but that has to come close to the biggest load I've seen with all due respect.
We will see what Roman thinks next year if Mourinho ends up potless again!
Guys I know you love Mourinho I can understand why and yes Dixon is a bit ott with his criticism but if you fail to see that this has been a poor season for Chelsea then there is no hope. Jose has made many mistakes and that started way back in the summer. It's not just strikers you need it's creativity too. I didn't mind Mourinho ten years ago, he made me laugh as. much as he pissed me off. He also actually had a shave too but this season he seems so bitter and unhappy and some of the stuff he's coming out with is just ludicrous., not to mention hypocritical at times.
Like I said if he delivers this season next year, he gets the boot. Simple as.”
“So basically what you are saying is that you are quite happy not to win the league for a number of seasons as long as you aren't double digits off the top spot? Jesus I've seen some bollocks posted on these forums but that has to come close to the biggest load I've seen with all due respect.
We will see what Roman thinks next year if Mourinho ends up potless again!
Guys I know you love Mourinho I can understand why and yes Dixon is a bit ott with his criticism but if you fail to see that this has been a poor season for Chelsea then there is no hope. Jose has made many mistakes and that started way back in the summer. It's not just strikers you need it's creativity too. I didn't mind Mourinho ten years ago, he made me laugh as. much as he pissed me off. He also actually had a shave too but this season he seems so bitter and unhappy and some of the stuff he's coming out with is just ludicrous., not to mention hypocritical at times.
Like I said if he delivers this season next year, he gets the boot. Simple as.”
I did answer (as best I could) how I think most Chelsea fans view this season in the other thread. But here it is again..
Realistically most Chelsea fans didn't expect to win the league. Liverpool have been the surprise package, but at the start I thought a good campaign would be second or third behind Man City and/or Man Utd. I certainly don't think many Chelsea fans thought we would have got to the semi-final of the CL, so that was a bonus.
One of the domestic cups would have been nice, but that's hardly make or break for the season.
Overall we are where we thought we'd be this season. We need more firepower up front and probably another central midfielder. Basically, we made a massive mistake signing Torres, and we've been paying for it ever since. Imagine where we would be if we'd been astute enough to sign a player like Suarez or Agurero. But as they say, hindsight is 20/20 vision.
In other words, it's not a case of "Mourinho worship", we"re just being realistic. We remember what he achieved during his last spell with us, so naturally we are prepared to put more trust in him than a total newcomer. As you say, if we fail to win anything next year, I doubt we will have the patience of the Arsenal fans. But we wont need to, Abramovich will see to that.
Originally Posted by seellee:
“So basically what you are saying is that you are quite happy not to win the league for a number of seasons as long as you aren't double digits off the top spot? Jesus I've seen some bollocks posted on these forums but that has to come close to the biggest load I've seen with all due respect.
We will see what Roman thinks next year if Mourinho ends up potless again!
Guys I know you love Mourinho I can understand why and yes Dixon is a bit ott with his criticism but if you fail to see that this has been a poor season for Chelsea then there is no hope. Jose has made many mistakes and that started way back in the summer. It's not just strikers you need it's creativity too. I didn't mind Mourinho ten years ago, he made me laugh as. much as he pissed me off. He also actually had a shave too but this season he seems so bitter and unhappy and some of the stuff he's coming out with is just ludicrous., not to mention hypocritical at times.
Like I said if he delivers this season next year, he gets the boot. Simple as.”
“So basically what you are saying is that you are quite happy not to win the league for a number of seasons as long as you aren't double digits off the top spot? Jesus I've seen some bollocks posted on these forums but that has to come close to the biggest load I've seen with all due respect.
We will see what Roman thinks next year if Mourinho ends up potless again!
Guys I know you love Mourinho I can understand why and yes Dixon is a bit ott with his criticism but if you fail to see that this has been a poor season for Chelsea then there is no hope. Jose has made many mistakes and that started way back in the summer. It's not just strikers you need it's creativity too. I didn't mind Mourinho ten years ago, he made me laugh as. much as he pissed me off. He also actually had a shave too but this season he seems so bitter and unhappy and some of the stuff he's coming out with is just ludicrous., not to mention hypocritical at times.
Like I said if he delivers this season next year, he gets the boot. Simple as.”
What I said was the minimum I expect from any season was to be challenging for the title, that's the measuring stick. Any season we don't do that we have failed, mucking up with cups was fine pre-Roman and would have been fine for the first couple of years of his time but 10 years in our ambitions have to change.
I have no interest if Jose doesn't shave for the rest of his life and comes out with a pair of y fronts on his head and two pencils up his nose and only says wibbly in his interviews.
Has it been a brilliant season? No, would I swap it for last season? Yes, winning the UEFA cup did nothing to further the project. The number one priority has got to be the league.
I am not talking from Romans or anyone else's point of view I am not discussing what might or might not happen next year, all I am saying is if the manager of Chelsea is not good enough to challenge for the title he should definitely not be in the job as was the case last season and there is no situation acceptable where they are not doing so, To the question of is Jose the man to do it? (His CV suggests more then anyone apart from SAF he is) I don't know but what is for sure the current manager had more of a chance then last season's and the seasons before did.
I don't want us mucking about with FA Cups etc (and I love the FA Cup) anymore, been there done with with and without the money. I want to do stuff we have never done before, stuff like we did a few seasons ago when we became the only second team to defend the title. The story of the premiership has been dominated by one name and with all the tools at our disposal we should have at least made a dent in it but have not.
Well its disappointing to come so far but miss out on everything, cant help but feel a couple of results against the lower teams and we would have walked the league. City and Liverpool havent set the place alight.
Hate to say it, but the lack of a consistent goal scorer is what hurt us, if we had someone who would have got 20+ goals we would have won the league easily. The Atletico result is a blow but the champions league is always cruel and a lot of it comes down to luck at the end of the day. Still we did very well getting to the semis, IMO.
Torres needs to go, i am sick of the sight of him and i have no confidence in him anymore. Ba/Eto'o arent much better. Sign Costa/Falcao/Cavani and bring back Lukaku and be done with it. Our squad is not bad if we do that and look in top shape for next season. The issue of Terry/Lampard/Cole getting another year old is also a problem we will need to sort out at some stage. I think they may all do another year yet.
I dont buy the Jose bashing at all, we are real contenders for the league again withs him, do you not all forget the last few years where we were struggling to even make 4th? You cant deny he has brought about improvements to the team, yes it might be ugly at times but so what? I would rather we won the league than struggle to make 4th playing "good" football. For me Jose is the best coach in the world, i wouldn't swap him for anyone, his record speaks for itself. Pep looks entirely one dimensional tika taka style which i just dont think would work in the premier league.
Also, we did play some good football at times, Hazard demolished Newcastle in a 3-0 romp with a fantastic display and brilliant football right across the pitch. Our critics think we are just long ball specalists but we really arent, theres a big difference between counter attacking football and the way stoke play. Shutting up shop in the big matches makes complete sense to me! Again, we just need a way to kill off lower teams who shut up shop against us like Norwich did, a top class striker would definitely help with that.
Hate to say it, but the lack of a consistent goal scorer is what hurt us, if we had someone who would have got 20+ goals we would have won the league easily. The Atletico result is a blow but the champions league is always cruel and a lot of it comes down to luck at the end of the day. Still we did very well getting to the semis, IMO.
Torres needs to go, i am sick of the sight of him and i have no confidence in him anymore. Ba/Eto'o arent much better. Sign Costa/Falcao/Cavani and bring back Lukaku and be done with it. Our squad is not bad if we do that and look in top shape for next season. The issue of Terry/Lampard/Cole getting another year old is also a problem we will need to sort out at some stage. I think they may all do another year yet.
I dont buy the Jose bashing at all, we are real contenders for the league again withs him, do you not all forget the last few years where we were struggling to even make 4th? You cant deny he has brought about improvements to the team, yes it might be ugly at times but so what? I would rather we won the league than struggle to make 4th playing "good" football. For me Jose is the best coach in the world, i wouldn't swap him for anyone, his record speaks for itself. Pep looks entirely one dimensional tika taka style which i just dont think would work in the premier league.
Also, we did play some good football at times, Hazard demolished Newcastle in a 3-0 romp with a fantastic display and brilliant football right across the pitch. Our critics think we are just long ball specalists but we really arent, theres a big difference between counter attacking football and the way stoke play. Shutting up shop in the big matches makes complete sense to me! Again, we just need a way to kill off lower teams who shut up shop against us like Norwich did, a top class striker would definitely help with that.
Originally Posted by Dixon:
“Right now, Jose is getting a right kicking on Talk Sport..”
“Right now, Jose is getting a right kicking on Talk Sport..”
How will he cope? Hope no one tells him or he might have to be put on suicide watch
Getting a kicking on Talk Shite is very serious.
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