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I think the line was she only bought an applemac... I agree it was probably an incorrect assumption, but there seems no reason why you should spend all the money.
Not sure if the same up to an amount, as needed, principle applies to the apprentice as well. |
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Kyle123 wrote: Great points. I tend to go with your thoughts. Sugar is a shrewd business man. It doesn't seem credible to think he doesn't have a clear idea what the business plans are *before* the very first episode is filmed. I'm guessing he has a strong idea which candidate or candidates he would like to have at the end of the 'process'. It's been proven, anyway. Tom Whatshisface, the inventor, was the worst winner ever based on the stats. Sugar kept him in the show week in week out even though he was back in the boardroom/on the losing side on many occasions.
"I firmly believe that the winner is chosen well in advance of filming based on the business plan, with a few solid backups just in case the desired winner completely bombs on the tasks. The rest are all just filler there to either amuse, shock, or generally just make tits of themselves until the coronation. I'm sure the same basic concept was applied back in the day with the job prize, but at the very least I think candidates had the chance to actually change the script with solid performances back then." |
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Great points. I tend to go with your thoughts. Sugar is a shrewd business man. It doesn't seem credible to think he doesn't have a clear idea what the business plans are *before* the very first episode is filmed. I'm guessing he has a strong idea which candidate or candidates he would like to have at the end of the 'process'. It's been proven, anyway. Tom Whatshisface, the inventor, was the worst winner ever based on the stats. Sugar kept him in the show week in week out even though he was back in the boardroom/on the losing side on many occasions.
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Great points. I tend to go with your thoughts. Sugar is a shrewd business man. It doesn't seem credible to think he doesn't have a clear idea what the business plans are *before* the very first episode is filmed. I'm guessing he has a strong idea which candidate or candidates he would like to have at the end of the 'process'. It's been proven, anyway. Tom Whatshisface, the inventor, was the worst winner ever based on the stats. Sugar kept him in the show week in week out even though he was back in the boardroom/on the losing side on many occasions.
Now he knows their business plans, it's pretty obvious he will keep in who he wants, rather than firing the worst on that particular task. Wish they brought the old system back, forget the business plans. Unless they renamed it - The Partner. |
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I agree - the whole point of the apprentice for me, when it first launched, was the candidates had to impress every week to ensure they stay in the process.
Now he knows their business plans, it's pretty obvious he will keep in who he wants, rather than firing the worst on that particular task. Wish they brought the old system back, forget the business plans. Unless they renamed it - The Partner. He can't have known them in Series 7 though; if he had, he wouldn't have had three business plans that he had no interest in in the final. |
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He did want to rename it, but the BBC wouldn't let him.
He can't have known them in Series 7 though; if he had, he wouldn't have had three business plans that he had no interest in in the final. Like I said, for me it goes against the whole point of the programme - it should be based on the performance of that week (and considering past performances). Not on the business plan. So why mention the business plans in the boardroom? |
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He blatantly knows about the business plans - referred to them in this series didn't he?
Like I said, for me it goes against the whole point of the programme - it should be based on the performance of that week (and considering past performances). Not on the business plan. So why mention the business plans in the boardroom? |
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[quote=dubest;66945257]These are not really businesses and dont have to have an 'offline' presence.
Google is mainly a search engine, Facebook a 'social' site. eBay an auction house. The only one is really Amazon. They started with books, the idea being you looked in the bookshop for what you wanted and then bought it cheaper from them. This has resulted in closing down all (or nearly all) the bookshops. So they used other bookshops as their offline presence. There are not many products like books where one can do this. In the US an online food distributor went bust because they had no shop. A shop also gives 'legality' to a net site. So who is laughing all the way to the bank I know its not me. |
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I don't get why if it's all staged, all the business plans (that we know of so far) are so uninspiring. It should be possible to find enough people with interesting ideas for say half the candidates and then their behaviour in the tests would be important as well. It's one thing to have a great plan, it's another thing to be able to carry it out. You wouldn't want to go into business with a dishonest or lazy person, however good their idea. People can look great on paper or in interview and then be quite different in practise. I don't think the tasks have no meaning now.
This year it feels to me like people were picked for who would make a great reality show, and Sugar getting a realistic business out of it was not as important. |
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I don't get why if it's all staged, all the business plans (that we know of so far) are so uninspiring. It should be possible to find enough people with interesting ideas for say half the candidates and then their behaviour in the tests would be important as well. It's one thing to have a great plan, it's another thing to be able to carry it out. You wouldn't want to go into business with a dishonest or lazy person, however good their idea. People can look great on paper or in interview and then be quite different in practise. I don't think the tasks have no meaning now.
This year it feels to me like people were picked for who would make a great reality show, and Sugar getting a realistic business out of it was not as important. Once they get hold of some 'big' money they think they can do anything as if that is all that is stopping them. They look at which company is making money at the moment and will decide to copy them. Well with capital why not. It must be easy. And its not my loss anyway. I would have called their business plans something different to 'uninspiring'. That is really an understatement for what they are. These men are just dreamers. Why everyone here seems to think they are any good beats me. Almost every task has borne this out. If the BBC wants to get its ratings back it had better take notice. Or is it really intent on scuppering this show and doing all it can to 'stop' it. I cant think of any other reason. I remember in a previous series when LS or Sir Alan has he then was, had to choose between the four of them. He said youre all good. Will he ever say that again. |
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I must totally agree with you. I gather these people, the men especially, like they already dream of swanning in the Bahamas that LS will just 'throw' his money away. These men have never had their own business as far as I can see and dont even seem to be employed at the moment.
Once they get hold of some 'big' money they think they can do anything as if that is all that is stopping them. They look at which company is making money at the moment and will decide to copy them. Well with capital why not. It must be easy. And its not my loss anyway. I would have called their business plans something different to 'uninspiring'. That is really an understatement for what they are. These men are just dreamers. Why everyone here seems to think they are any good beats me. Almost every task has borne this out. If the BBC wants to get its ratings back it had better take notice. Or is it really intent on scuppering this show and doing all it can to 'stop' it. I cant think of any other reason. I remember in a previous series when LS or Sir Alan has he then was, had to choose between the four of them. He said youre all good. Will he ever say that again. |
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I don't get why if it's all staged, all the business plans (that we know of so far) are so uninspiring. It should be possible to find enough people with interesting ideas for say half the candidates and then their behaviour in the tests would be important as well. It's one thing to have a great plan, it's another thing to be able to carry it out. You wouldn't want to go into business with a dishonest or lazy person, however good their idea. People can look great on paper or in interview and then be quite different in practise. I don't think the tasks have no meaning now.
This year it feels to me like people were picked for who would make a great reality show, and Sugar getting a realistic business out of it was not as important. |
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I don't get why if it's all staged, all the business plans (that we know of so far) are so uninspiring. It should be possible to find enough people with interesting ideas for say half the candidates and then their behaviour in the tests would be important as well. It's one thing to have a great plan, it's another thing to be able to carry it out. You wouldn't want to go into business with a dishonest or lazy person, however good their idea. People can look great on paper or in interview and then be quite different in practise. I don't think the tasks have no meaning now.
This year it feels to me like people were picked for who would make a great reality show, and Sugar getting a realistic business out of it was not as important. |
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Do you think a woman will win this series then?
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If you look on the spoiler thread you will find the answer to that.
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I agree with many of the points made in this thread.
I think that the change in format has been detrimental to the show. I much preferred it when there was a job at stake and so the candidate was chosen purely on ability and success in the tasks and not on the business plan. Just my opinion but I think the business plans have far too much impact, and more than the producers would ever admit. This ruins some of the tasks and boardrooms for me. Bring back the £100K job and ditch the partnership idea I say! |
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I agree with many of the points made in this thread.
I think that the change in format has been detrimental to the show. I much preferred it when there was a job at stake and so the candidate was chosen purely on ability and success in the tasks and not on the business plan. Just my opinion but I think the business plans have far too much impact, and more than the producers would ever admit. This ruins some of the tasks and boardrooms for me. Bring back the £100K job and ditch the partnership idea I say! He may not have any jobs to offer - hence the change. The only way around it would be to pick someone for someone elses job - which Andrew Lloyd Webber did for assorted producers. Even there, though, the person offering the job gets a say which wouldn't fit the format. |
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