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Freeview channels not on Freesat
I have Freeview as well as Freesat, I generally only use Freeview now and again to watch something on Dave or Yesterday, but today I decided to do a rescan to check out the new Drama channel, I was surprised at how many mainstream channels there are on Freeview which aren't on Freesat, as well as Drama, Dave and Yesterday there is also Really, Quest and Movie Mix, I would like to see all of these on Freesat as it is easier to have everything in one box, but there's no sign of it happening soon.
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As for the likes of Dave, Really and Yesterday they are owned by UKTV and on satellite they are part of subscription packages on Sky so they get revenue for those being that way.
If they went on Freesat then they would also have to be free on Sky which they would then not receive the revenue they currently get.
Not too sure about Quest, but as far as True Drama is concerned this is a quote from a Freesat community mod
I reckon mainstream = over 1% audience share, which means all the mainstream channels are on Freesat (Dave is borderline, at 1%). If you drop the threshold to 0.5% share, then Yesterday counts, as do a few pay channels.
If you look at reach instead (e.g. channels watched by X million people at some point in the week), "mainstream" would include many channels that have a disproportionately high reach compared with their audience share, maybe due to one popular programme a week. Plenty of those aren't on Freesat. Some aren't on Freeview either - so are they mainstream at all?
http://www.barb.co.uk/viewing/weekly-total-viewing-summary
Cheers,
David.
Freesat not on Freeview:
ITV3+1
ITV4+1
More4+1
5*+1
5 USA+1
CBS Drama
CBS Reality
CBS Reality+1
CBS Action
Horror
Horror Channel+1
BET
BET+1
True Entertainment
True Movies 1
True Movies 2
Movies4Men
Movies4Men+1
Showcase TV
Information TV
Showcase 2
Food Network +1
Travel Channel
Fashion One
The Active Channel
The channels on Freesat that aren't on Freeview such as the CBS channels, are far superior to the ones missing the other way around in my opinion. Only thing I'd like to see on Freesat is DAVE, but even then for me its just a Top Gear filler channel for when nothing else is on.
Not one of which is a great loss to Freeview, IMO.
Probably not but I have watched on occasions most of the channels.
or more to do with transmission rights ??
There are no transmision rights problems, They just need to transmit there channels on a tight beam as do most channels on Freesat, or is it that sky want to keep channel on a wide beam ?
True Entertainment is on Freeview Ch 61
The simple answer is if you want the best choice of free channels, then you want freeview AND freesat.
Before getting pay TV I used to use Freesat as my main source of TV, using Freeview (the few channels I could get at the time) for the channels that are not on Freesat.
That can't be said for Freeview, and it's a fact that a lot of people with full freeview still wont be able to receive BBC4-HD, nor any of the HD offerings from CH4 when they launch shortly. Even if they can get them, the low power settings of the new muxes might cause reception issues.
At least Freesat wont have that problem, and you'll be able to get the new HD channels wherever you are and without all the reception issues associated with DTT.
Do you have a reliable source for that or are you just guessing?
The underlined part is tendentious nonsense.
It has always been known that it is possible to receive transmissions well outside the nominal coverage area if you use a big enough dish. That is accepted, just as rights holders accept that anyone who wants to can easily break the encryption on DVD's and eBooks.
For them it is a simple matter of balancing the profits from the sale of their wares to legitimate 'purchasers' against the few who will circumvent the 'protection'.
It sounds to me as if you are just speculating, and, as usual, your speculation (despite your protestations that you are a fan of Freesat) is that which views Freesat in the least favourable position.
Tbh, I don't really recognise channels as such, but programmes. If by chance I happen to spot something on a channel I don't look at very often, and the PQ is acceptable, then I watch it.
So having more channels means having a greater chance of finding something extra to watch, even if a new channel might be mostly rubbish. Though in reality I don't have the time to watch everything that might be of interest and mostly watch stuff already recorded, or live news and sport.
Don't see the point of True Drama, as it's just showing the same content they already show on their other True channels. They need to differentiate them more, or just call them True Movies 1-4!
This is true. My technical knowledge is really reserved for friends and family these days, And when the 2 tier freeview service was rolled out at DSO and now, even more so with the 3rd tier being added, its so much simpler to just point people to Freesat or even Sky - as this way, regardless of where they are in the UK they will be able to get the new channels. It also neatly avoids issues with aerials and bad connections (or loft aerials, or older grouped aerials not picking up new signals outside their group range) etc (some people have 2 aerials - each one pointing to a different region mast!!!ahhhhhhhhhhh). Trying to explain to non-technical people why this might or might not work is not easy and best avoided. And its getting worse as we go further into the digital age, we might need a Microwave dish next for the 4 tier of freeview - and I don't mean the ones used in the kitchen.
The travel channels on freeview too....
Yes there are TV that have both but yet to see a box and yes it may be that the companies would get more from selling both....?