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Old 18-07-2013, 20:01
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And the pedantic of the year award goes to......
It's a serious point though. Avoiding something because it is a chemical is misguided. Not all chemicals are bad.

(PS I think the word you wanted was "pedant" )

I am surprised that more people have not noticed the foul aftertaste though!
I'm guessing it doesn't taste foul to everyone. People do differ (and tastes can change as you mature, too).
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Old 19-07-2013, 07:46
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So you want fizzy drinks without sugar or sweetener?
You can get fizzy drinks without any ADDED sugar or any sweetners, such as Appletiser and Feel Good drinks. However, they are really expensive.

I too have to avoid Aspartame like the plague because it plays havoc with my stomach. Thankfully I can instantly taste it now, and can avoid mistakes I made in the past. (Once ate a pack of sugar free mints. Was not a fun time.)
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Old 06-02-2014, 21:03
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Sprite
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The last time I lifted a bottle of sprite over here it had Aspartame in it. Funny thing is though I buy 2 ltr Fanta over here in the North of Ireland because it still hasn't got Aspartame in it, but I went into one of our local British owned Supermarkets recently, and they have the GB Fanta which does contain it for some reason. The GB Fanta has the old fashioned bottle shape for us were as in Ireland ours has taken on the shape of the 500ml bottle for awhile now so its easy to spot the difference. Makes you wonder why they have different recipes and also why do they import Fanta over here anyway, surely it couldn't be cheaper to transport it over the Irish Sea when it gets bottled and made on this island too.

Also its a bit of a rare one that the Irish side left the sweeteners out because all my old favourite Irish childhood soft drinks now all seem to have one or more of Aspartame, Saccharin or Acesulfame Potassium in them.

Seriously though I don't care if the EU recently said Aspartame is safe, (An Acceptable Daily Intake, or ADI, is set at 40mg per kg of body weight per day.) I just don't like the taste of it, and I prefer sugar over artificial sweeteners. I can take it in Moderation so why not let us enjoy it Soft Drink companies. Bring Back Original Recipe Sugary Drinks now lol!

They can still sell their other concoctions but label them Diet like they normally do, just leave the originals alone please, that way both sides can be happy instead of forcing it on all of us!

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Old 27-02-2014, 16:52
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I came across this thread looking searching for diet/sugar free soft drinks that don't contain Aspartame in the UK, as my wife (for her own good reasons) does want our Son having Aspartame and we want to control the amount of sugar he consumes. Normally he has water or tea but like all kids he often wants a soft drink, especially if we are out.

Anyway I thought I would share the couple we've found that he enjoys.

Vimto Light/Diet both the cordial and fizzy drinks contain no Aspartame and the other is Robinson Fruit Shoots (Low Sugar), unlike the their bottles of squash they removed Aspartame last year from the individual Fruit Shoot bottles after pressure from parents.

HTH Someone.
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Old 27-02-2014, 17:13
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And the pedantic of the year award goes to......
surely it would be "Pedant of the year", no?

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Old 02-03-2014, 09:09
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I came across this thread looking searching for diet/sugar free soft drinks that don't contain Aspartame in the UK, as my wife (for her own good reasons) does want our Son having Aspartame and we want to control the amount of sugar he consumes. Normally he has water or tea but like all kids he often wants a soft drink, especially if we are out.

Anyway I thought I would share the couple we've found that he enjoys.

Vimto Light/Diet both the cordial and fizzy drinks contain no Aspartame and the other is Robinson Fruit Shoots (Low Sugar), unlike the their bottles of squash they removed Aspartame last year from the individual Fruit Shoot bottles after pressure from parents.

HTH Someone.
I'd be very interested to know why she doesn't want him to have Aspartame.
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Old 02-03-2014, 09:51
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Not very nice stuff. For me Aspartame triggers awful migraine. It's such a huge industry though, especially for organisations like Weight Watchers and those who promote sugar free food and drink. I remember reading years ago, that in the factories aspartame was so corrosive they had to regularly replace their pipes!
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Old 02-03-2014, 11:12
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I'd be very interested to know why she doesn't want him to have Aspartame.
Its the most toxic sweetener.
There's a thing in the health industry at the moment where they are fazing it out of all protein powders and meal replacements and using Stevia instead.
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Old 02-03-2014, 11:25
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Aspartame is not toxic. Unless you have PKU it's fine.

http://www.efsa.europa.eu/en/topics/topic/aspartame.htm
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Old 02-03-2014, 15:57
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water. drink at least a litre and a half a day. Its free, and in alignment with nature. If you don't like it out the tap fill a jug and let it sit an hour or 2 (your best doing that before adding it to fish tanks as they too are sensitive to chlorine but it dispenses once its been sitting out a while and you can fridge it or drink at room temperature)

you can also enjoy these in moderation

milk
tea without sugar
coffee without sugar
herbal teas

All those drinks are filled with sugar and chemicals and the sugar free ones are filled with artificial sweetners and colourings and flavourings with very little studies done about the longterm effects of them when drank not in moderation. More fool you if you fail to heed my advice.
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Old 02-03-2014, 17:24
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Water is a chemical, and using the word to make something sound scary is nothing but a fallacious appeal to nature.

https://www.joslin.org/info/correcti...aspartame.html

An 8-oz glass of milk has six times more phenylalanine and thirteen times more aspartic acid than an equivalent amount of soda sweetened with NutraSweet.

An 8-oz glass of fruit juice or tomato juice contains three to five times more methanol than an equivalent amount of soda sweetened with NutraSweet.

Aspartame has been studied extensively, since 1965, with approximately 200 studies conducted in humans and animals. The safety of aspartame has been well established. The results of these scientific studies have shown that eating products sweetened with aspartame is no different from eating other foods and is not associated with adverse health effects.

It is unfortunate that the Internet's remarkable capacity to transmit information means that it can also transmit misinformation widely and with lightning speed.

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Old 02-03-2014, 22:14
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i'll be looking into some of the drinks mentioned above.
(stands up) it's been a week since my last diet coke
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Old 03-03-2014, 13:03
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Its the most toxic sweetener.
There's a thing in the health industry at the moment where they are fazing it out of all protein powders and meal replacements and using Stevia instead.
Any proof for your claim?
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Old 03-03-2014, 23:24
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Defend it all you like, but for many people it causes problems and for some of the rest of us it just tastes evil, which is a good enough reason to avoid it like the plague.

Anyone who needs an alternative plain soda (fizzy water) and plain fruit juice to taste is always good.

And the less sweetener you use the less you need because you can retrain your palate in a reasonably short amount of time. I rarely sweeten anything any more.
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Old 04-03-2014, 00:08
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Defend it all you like, but for many people it causes problems and for some of the rest of us it just tastes evil, which is a good enough reason to avoid it like the plague.

Anyone who needs an alternative plain soda (fizzy water) and plain fruit juice to taste is always good.

And the less sweetener you use the less you need because you can retrain your palate in a reasonably short amount of time. I rarely sweeten anything any more.
For some people it causes problems- some people are also lactose intolerant, but that doesn't mean milk is toxic. If someone is going to make a bold claim like that, it's not expecting too much for them to back it up.

Being diabetic, I cannot drink sugar, and I've been using artificial sweeteners since childhood. For me, aspartame does not taste "evil". To each their own.
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Old 04-03-2014, 02:10
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For some people it causes problems- some people are also lactose intolerant, but that doesn't mean milk is toxic. If someone is going to make a bold claim like that, it's not expecting too much for them to back it up.

Being diabetic, I cannot drink sugar, and I've been using artificial sweeteners since childhood. For me, aspartame does not taste "evil". To each their own.
For someone who says 'to each their own' you sure are quick to jump on people who aren't big on aspartame. The thread was started by someone who wanted to avoid the stuff. Other people have mentioned good reasons why it doesn't work for them : migraine, stomach upset, taste. That's nice that you've found a sweetner that works for you. Why not let others do the same without further derailing the thread?
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Old 04-03-2014, 10:55
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For someone who says 'to each their own' you sure are quick to jump on people who aren't big on aspartame. The thread was started by someone who wanted to avoid the stuff. Other people have mentioned good reasons why it doesn't work for them : migraine, stomach upset, taste. That's nice that you've found a sweetner that works for you. Why not let others do the same without further derailing the thread?
Follow the thread- it was started last year and then bumped by somebody who cited the recent EU study, and then bumped again by someone else . Another FM asked a question and the response was "it's toxic", not "I'm not big on aspartame". Par for the course here, but as it's a discussion forum, I don't see anything wrong with trying to counter this particular lie when it comes up.

I don't understand why you are so riled.

Anyway, for whoever is interested here's some iced tea recipes http://twinings.co.uk/about-twinings...-earl-grey-tea Use whichever sweetener you like.
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Old 04-03-2014, 13:10
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Defend it all you like, but for many people it causes problems and for some of the rest of us it just tastes evil, which is a good enough reason to avoid it like the plague.

Anyone who needs an alternative plain soda (fizzy water) and plain fruit juice to taste is always good.

And the less sweetener you use the less you need because you can retrain your palate in a reasonably short amount of time. I rarely sweeten anything any more.
I am after proof that it is 'toxic'. Cabbage gives me terrible diarrhoea but I don't go round saying it's toxic.
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Old 17-03-2014, 14:42
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My wife was told by a diabetic nurse that the amount of aspartame in her diet (mainly from Pepsi max) was probably the reason why her blood sugar level was high despite being on a 4,3 fasting diet. Apparently some artificial sweeteners (including aspartame) trigger insulin production because the body doesn't recognise that they are not sugar !!!
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Old 17-03-2014, 18:04
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My wife was told by a diabetic nurse that the amount of aspartame in her diet (mainly from Pepsi max) was probably the reason why her blood sugar level was high despite being on a 4,3 fasting diet. Apparently some artificial sweeteners (including aspartame) trigger insulin production because the body doesn't recognise that they are not sugar !!!
The evidence is for that is mixed.

FWIW, In my many many years of drinking diet coke, I've never needed insulin to cover it.
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Old 19-03-2014, 11:55
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i'll be looking into some of the drinks mentioned above.
(stands up) it's been a week since my last diet coke
Welcome, fast left.
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Old 19-03-2014, 15:57
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M&S lemonade and tonic is sweetener free, reminds me I've run out. I and several family members can't tolerate sweeteners, the side effects are horrible. Regular Ribena is fine too.
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Old 20-03-2014, 10:40
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I am after proof that it is 'toxic'. Cabbage gives me terrible diarrhoea but I don't go round saying it's toxic.
Toxic to your body though.

I can drink D Coke but not D Pepsi
I dont know what is in one but not the other, but if I have one sip of D Pepsi I am as sick as a dog and have to go to bed for a day or two
I dont drink any anymore as do not drink Alcohol or anything but BPC or water.

But yes D Pepsi is Toxic to my body.
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Old 20-03-2014, 13:05
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Toxic to your body though.

I can drink D Coke but not D Pepsi
I dont know what is in one but not the other, but if I have one sip of D Pepsi I am as sick as a dog and have to go to bed for a day or two
I dont drink any anymore as do not drink Alcohol or anything but BPC or water.

But yes D Pepsi is Toxic to my body.
My point being that some people can't eat bread or peanuts or eggs etc etc etc. It doesn't make them toxic though, which is what people claim aspartame is without any proof.
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Old 20-03-2014, 14:53
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I know I'm beating a dead horse, but...
Just like the "Nancy Markle" email hoax, post 44 seems to me another example of Chinese whispers where nutrition and medicine are concerned. I'm pretty sure the poster is referring to cephalic phase insulin release, which is still being studied as it relates to non-nutritive sweeteners, and theorises that a small release of insulin after tasting something sweet triggers the appetite and encourages people to seek calories... though as I said, the evidence is mixed. But the post seemed to imply it's insulin itself that raises blood glucose levels?

Makes no sense. If the poster's wife is sticking to her diet, then how can something with no calories, and no carbohydrates raise sugar levels?

The only artificial sweetener I know of that could possibly be a culprit is Splenda as dextrose is used as bulking agent. But I'm sure you'd have to consume a fair amount to see a significant impact.

Sugar alcohols, on the other hand, which have half the calories as sugar, and are often used as a sugar substitute, are well-known to have somewhat dramatic effect on quite a few people. If anyone has ever read Amazon's reviews of the sugar-free gummy bears, they'll know what I'm talking about!
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