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Old 16-07-2013, 17:53
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http://www.ukfree.tv/fullstory.php?storyid=1107052120

Want to know which transmitters will carry extra Freeview HD?
Details of the new Freeview HD transmitters to come on air next year
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Old 16-07-2013, 19:27
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Thanks for that!
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Old 16-07-2013, 19:30
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So it's confirmed, no Sudbury.
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Old 16-07-2013, 19:31
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agree no sudbury annoying
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Old 16-07-2013, 20:34
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This frequency plan is a digital debacle in the making: there is insufficient nominal ERP and insufficient coverage to ensure a coherent transition to all DVB-T2 transmission, never mind reception! Yet again Ofcom have shown themselves to be particularly clueless, especially Ofcom CEO and Directors of spectrum planning. Fortunately the public won't buy into this catastrophe crock and the transition to T2 will take two decades: looking at the economic fiasco emerging on the Continent we don't need to worry.
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Old 16-07-2013, 20:55
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Don't be too enthusiastic about that information. The source has never been too well trusted and the power levels are in watts, so you will find that they are well down on the existing signal levels. eg., it says that Crystal Palace will be 15.6 and 13.5 kw which is lower than the others before DSO.
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Old 16-07-2013, 21:45
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Don't be too enthusiastic about that information. The source has never been too well trusted and the power levels are in watts, so you will find that they are well down on the existing signal levels. eg., it says that Crystal Palace will be 15.6 and 13.5 kw which is lower than the others before DSO.
They are the nominal ERP figures from Ofcom's own documents. Well below the maximum figures but there should be some room for improvement when the service starts.

http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/bin..._Statement.pdf
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Old 16-07-2013, 22:28
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So I'm guessing those of us on Freeview Lite will be missing out again. Anyone know for sure?
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Old 17-07-2013, 00:09
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So I'm guessing those of us on Freeview Lite will be missing out again. Anyone know for sure?
Yes I would expect so!

Have a look at the link MeMeMeI posted.

Also see the Ofcom document from Page 34

http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/bin..._Statement.pdf
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Old 17-07-2013, 00:34
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So I'm guessing those of us on Freeview Lite will be missing out again. Anyone know for sure?
Yes, the full freeview service is from 80 transmitter sites. This service will only be from 30 of those sites and at reduced power levels.
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Old 17-07-2013, 02:11
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...Well below the maximum figures but there should be some room for improvement when the service starts....
No money -
This is a reuse of old pre-DSO transmitter hardware - must be written off before the end of 2018.

Do understand - this is a message from the broadcasters and Ofcom to the backward looking (part of the) public about phasing out DVB-T beginning in 2014.

If DVB-T is not phased out - rather soon - DTT will not survive much longer than this decade. DTT must adapt to the newer technologies to stay competetive.

In Germany their three COM muxes are not available at several/many main TX sites and one COM mux (RTL) is being closed.

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Old 17-07-2013, 08:50
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So I'm guessing those of us on Freeview Lite will be missing out again. Anyone know for sure?
It's always been known for sure, Freeview Lite viewers are stuffed yet again

That's why Freesat exists.
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Old 17-07-2013, 08:59
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So I'm guessing those of us on Freeview Lite will be missing out again. Anyone know for sure?
You'll be getting BBC3 / CBBC in HD as that will be taking the fifth slot on the current HD mux.
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Old 17-07-2013, 09:34
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So I'm guessing those of us on Freeview Lite will be missing out again.
As will many of those on Freeview Heavy. I'll be lucky to be able to receive the new muxes where I am even though I am on Crystal Palace.
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Old 17-07-2013, 09:36
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Well what a bodge job
Some main transmitters will carry all the new channels but at low power, so not everyone currently using one of those masts is guaranteed them. I guess a good number of people would need bigger aerials, maybe wider group top.
A lot of main transmitters won't even carry the extra channels.
And relay masts certainly won't. For what these carry compared with those that will carry everything you may as well switch them off. Nobody will put up with such a limited line up.

Freeview is the one digital tv platform that the goverment has control over and imo they keep changing things to try and get people to spend more money on new tv's, stb etc.

With this latest plan like pre-dso it will just add lots of confusion. Can people get all the channels or not, a tricky one to answer, too many variables. It will push more people into freesat, cable, and sky, like pre-dso days, full of disapointed and confused people.
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Old 17-07-2013, 09:42
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Could it be a boom time for aerial installers in some areas in the next few years as consumers are obliged to replace their aerials - if they're not intending to be wholly dependent on cable, satellite or internet for their future TV needs?!
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Old 17-07-2013, 09:43
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Might there also be increased risk of picking up duplicate chs.
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Old 17-07-2013, 10:04
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Well what a bodge job
Some main transmitters will carry all the new channels but at low power, so not everyone currently using one of those masts is guaranteed them. I guess a good number of people would need bigger aerials, maybe wider group top.
A lot of main transmitters won't even carry the extra channels.
And relay masts certainly won't. For what these carry compared with those that will carry everything you may as well switch them off. Nobody will put up with such a limited line up.

Freeview is the one digital tv platform that the goverment has control over and imo they keep changing things to try and get people to spend more money on new tv's, stb etc.

With this latest plan like pre-dso it will just add lots of confusion. Can people get all the channels or not, a tricky one to answer, too many variables. It will push more people into freesat, cable, and sky, like pre-dso days, full of disapointed and confused people.
Freeview, by its very nature, is a platform limited by its available bandwidth - even more now with ongoing sell off of the higher spectrum to 4G providers. It will always be a basic fall back those of who rely initially on the other available platforms for their TV.

Who knows what future technology will be developed to make use of what's left of that bandwidth. Connected TV's may prove increasingly popular in providing a combined DTT/Internet based system for consumers.
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Old 17-07-2013, 10:29
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On average the UK household has more than 3 TVs

Roughly just over Half the first TV are on DSAT platform or cable
and there are a few Multiroom second tv etc .. (but these tend t be in house with more than 3TV)

so there are roughly 12 M TV not on DTT and 60M TV on DTT.....

Our viewing will change and connected TV is a very good way of giving people access to more content on demand
- but for the mass audience Through the air (or similar unidirectional RF system) work very very cost effctivily and have a simple business model!
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Old 17-07-2013, 10:37
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Freeview, by its very nature, is a platform limited by its available bandwidth - even more now with ongoing sell off of the higher spectrum to 4G providers. It will always be a basic fall back those of who rely initially on the other available platforms for their TV.

Who knows what future technology will be developed to make use of what's left of that bandwidth. Connected TV's may prove increasingly popular in providing a combined DTT/Internet based system for consumers.
The use of low power and old equipment is a matter of (a lack of) money. Most or all 30 sites will have a license to transmit at the same much higher power levels used by the current PSB/COM muxes.

"Money makes the world go around...."/Cabaret

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Old 17-07-2013, 12:06
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Well what a bodge job
Some main transmitters will carry all the new channels but at low power, so not everyone currently using one of those masts is guaranteed them. I guess a good number of people would need bigger aerials, maybe wider group top.
A lot of main transmitters won't even carry the extra channels.
And relay masts certainly won't. For what these carry compared with those that will carry everything you may as well switch them off. Nobody will put up with such a limited line up.

Freeview is the one digital tv platform that the goverment has control over and imo they keep changing things to try and get people to spend more money on new tv's, stb etc.

With this latest plan like pre-dso it will just add lots of confusion. Can people get all the channels or not, a tricky one to answer, too many variables. It will push more people into freesat, cable, and sky, like pre-dso days, full of disapointed and confused people.
Well the option is to either do this and create some confusion and annoy some people that can't get it, or do nothing and stay as we are.

Doing nothing means everyone suffers, instead of just some people. No one will get the extra HD channels which will probably force more people away from Freeview than the confusion will. Plus some people might be attracted to Freeview once it has 15 HD channels.

So this is better than nothing. And if you can't get Freeview Max and you want it, you can always get Freesat instead. So I see this as a good thing for Freeview. Although yes, in an ideal world Freeview Max would be on all transmitters.
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Old 17-07-2013, 12:13
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Looks like best chance for it here in North Essex is to use Bluebell Hill the other muxs come in clear so hopefully it should be picked up a long the Essex coast.
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Old 17-07-2013, 12:35
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Looks like best chance for it here in North Essex is to use Bluebell Hill the other muxs come in clear so hopefully it should be picked up a long the Essex coast.
Maybe, but it is only shown as being 1.4kW initially, compared with 20kW for the others.
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Old 17-07-2013, 13:36
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Seems like Channel 5 analogue all over again. Some transmitters carry it, some don,t, those that do on much lower power than the others, possibly Croydon instead of Crystal Palace in London, some people having to change aerials, need I go on. More trouble than it's worth.
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Old 17-07-2013, 14:29
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The point is to provide a migration stategy away from SD so that at some point in the future some of the SD muxes can either be switched off or converted to HD. But this will only happen when enough of the viewing public have DVB-T2 receivers, which they won't bother with if there is nothing to receive. You have to start somewhere, and this can be done economically while reaching around 50% of the population.

And as someone pointed out, everyone even on Freeview Lite will get one extra HD channel (not sure how reliable the infomation is that it's BBC3).
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