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Old 16-07-2013, 22:48
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Found this little bit of info earlier on, and wondered what people thought about it.

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2013/07/1...ane-to-be-male

Now, I know the usual IGN comments of woe are in action complete with anti-gay nonsense, but to be honest, I am kinda split on him being gay.

On the one hand, at no point has he been gay, or even hinted at. It would be stupid to make him gay, as its not spiderman. Imagine if they just decided Batman was going to be cast as a middle aged black women. I mean it could be done sure, but it doesnt make any sense and non of the back story would add up. Same here, the back story, in fact, all spiderman canon would cease to make sense if taking this film idea into the spider universe.

But on the other hand, after the first film, the series is now in the toilet at the very low end of the film spectrum. SOMETHING pretty drastic needs to be done to combat this, although making him gay doesnt strike me as expanding him, so much as changing him. It could work, I mean Heath as the Joker was originally laughed at because he was seen as a week family actor, and that turned out pretty awesome. Maybe this could work, and a gay super hero could open new story ideas.

But sadly I know his "gayness" will be played up to cover the fact that the films havent done so well of late and people have lost a lot of interest. Its good they are branching out for something to put some life back into the movies, but not sure if this is a bold idea or a desperate attempt to garner press for an ailing franchise.

Any other spidey fans care to shine some light on this, tell me it will all be ok and the film will be amazing, help me keep some hope alive....
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Old 16-07-2013, 22:53
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It's 73% Fresh on RT and has a Metacritic score of 66, so critics liked it. On release it was given a CinemaScore of "A-" by audiences. Hardly "in the toilet at the very low end of the film spectrum"...

It also made $752m, more than triple it's production budget. I'm sure Sony are very disappointed with it's performance, and are now grasping for any attention they can possibly get to hide that fact. (That was sarcasm, it's made about $146m profit for them).


Why does everyone online want to trash The Amazing Spider-man? It seems to have become the fashionable movie to slame, which is a shame because it was quite good, and I like Marc Webb as a director...
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Old 16-07-2013, 23:10
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Yes, but you forget this is the internet, we don't ever, ever, ever let facts stand in the way of a good slam. After all, what would the human race be without an excess of bile?

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Old 16-07-2013, 23:35
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Is Spiderman going to have a Gaydar instead of spidersense then ?
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Old 17-07-2013, 00:45
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No, not on board with that idea. MJ is her own character, so why change her for the sake of making Spiderman gay? Why not make Spiderman, Spiderwoman? Because then you have a different character - like how Supergirl is not Superman, but a different character. You wouldn't change other aspects of a character's personality, else you would be creating a totally new character. So why change their sexuality? I'm totally ok with having a brand-new gay superhero - there's loads of potential for story there. But that's a new story, not Spiderman.

Still, its not worth worrying about. It was an off-the-cuff comment by Andrew Garfield that is NEVER going to come to fruition. Its not going to happen, not in a million years (ok, well, technically it might happen in a million years, but I won't be here to listen to anyone saying "I told you so," so I don't care )
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Old 17-07-2013, 00:53
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That should make the Spidey costume interesting.
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Old 17-07-2013, 01:09
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But where does this fit in with the old 'shooting web from wrist = masturbation' theory?

btw - no Green Goblin jokes, please.
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Old 17-07-2013, 06:55
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The next Spider-Man film in 2014 is the only super hero movie I don't want to watch of recent times. And I would watch anything. Just didn't like the recent film at all. My friend doesn't go to the cinema and only buys new movies on BD. she really wanted to see the new SM last year, but I warned her to maybe rent instead of buy, but she did and REALLY hated it as well. Ended up being a CEX resell the same week she got it on 3D BD!
Really enjoyed the 2002-2007 series and disappointed they didn't carry on making them.
Couldn't care less if this new SM was gay, bi or transgender. I would still not want to watch it.
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Old 17-07-2013, 07:14
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Just watched the last film it was pretty decent.
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Old 17-07-2013, 08:56
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It will never happen as Marvel would never allow it as it has the possibility to alienate a large percentage of their audience, resulting in lost sales of comics and merch.
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Old 17-07-2013, 09:58
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What annoyed me more was the actor that Andrew Garfield suggested gave a really odd answer
I can't remember what it was, but it just said to me he clearly doesn't like gay people but he covered it up in an ambigious answer.
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Old 17-07-2013, 10:05
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Nothing against it in principle. Having said that, it's a tiny bit creepy for him to have named a specific actor he wants to have the relationship with. I don't mean that in a gay way, it would be creepy if he named a specific girl as well IMO.

But lovely to see such a forward-thinking actor (or maybe just a gay/bi one. Who knows. He sure seems comfortable with the idea!)
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Old 17-07-2013, 11:17
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The next Spider-Man film in 2014 is the only super hero movie I don't want to watch of recent times. And I would watch anything. Just didn't like the recent film at all. My friend doesn't go to the cinema and only buys new movies on BD. she really wanted to see the new SM last year, but I warned her to maybe rent instead of buy, but she did and REALLY hated it as well. Ended up being a CEX resell the same week she got it on 3D BD!
Really enjoyed the 2002-2007 series and disappointed they didn't carry on making them.
Couldn't care less if this new SM was gay, bi or transgender. I would still not want to watch it.
Out of curiosity, why did you hate it? Loads of people have voiced their displeasure on the internet, but not once has anybody provided a reason as to why they hated it...
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Old 17-07-2013, 12:18
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Considering that they've already cast a female Mary Jane for the third film (the actress filmed scenes for TASM2 but the scenes have been shelved for use in the third film) I'd assume what Garfield said there was just him joking around. Also, I really doubt that Sony feel that anything "drastic" needs to be done with the franchise considering they've already greenlit and set release dates for the third and fourth films in the series.
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Old 17-07-2013, 16:28
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How does that work then? I thought MJ was his child hood sweetheart yet she was nowhere to be seen in the last film. It was Gwen that he fell in love with and the comment at the end suggested that they were going to get together.


I don't read/follow the comic books.
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Old 17-07-2013, 16:30
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it's a tiny bit creepy for him to have named a specific actor he wants to have the relationship with. I don't mean that in a gay way, it would be creepy if he named a specific girl as well IMO.
I've read the trivia on IMDB more many a film and there are loads of comments about actors either signing up because of, recommending or dictating who they want to work with.

It may just be complimentary but it doesn't sound too much different to what has happened here.
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Old 17-07-2013, 16:40
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How does that work then? I thought MJ was his child hood sweetheart yet she was nowhere to be seen in the last film. It was Gwen that he fell in love with and the comment at the end suggested that they were going to get together.


I don't read/follow the comic books.
The only way to answer that would be to expose you to a massive spoiler, so read on at your own peril:

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Old 17-07-2013, 17:02
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Spiderman gay?

That's it. I officially give up on modern attitudes towards every bloody thing.

Spiderman is a superhero. His sexuality is of NO IMPORTANCE to anyone. He's supposed to go around saving people. That's why kids want to watch it.

People say our attitudes have moved on. All that's really happened is that we've lost all our common sense.
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Old 17-07-2013, 18:04
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Spiderman gay?

That's it. I officially give up on modern attitudes towards every bloody thing.

Spiderman is a superhero. His sexuality is of NO IMPORTANCE to anyone. He's supposed to go around saving people. That's why kids want to watch it.

People say our attitudes have moved on. All that's really happened is that we've lost all our common sense.
Grow up.

It's no big deal.
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Old 17-07-2013, 19:00
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Grow up.

It's no big deal.
It is a bit though. Never in the history of Spider-Man has it been hinted at that he's gay, so the only reason to change that is equal opportunities box ticking. It's the same for the ridiculous idea presented in another thread on here about making James Bond gay.

I'm not homophobic, but i don't like the idea of a gay Spider-Man, and i imagine that i'm definitely not alone in feeling that way. By all means, make a film about a gay superhero, but don't force it onto another character that has a long history of being straight.

This is kind of all moot anyway since it seems quite clear that Andrew Garfield's comment was mean to be taken in a jovial sense.
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Old 17-07-2013, 19:14
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I thought people couldn't change their sexuality?

I guess Peter Parker must have been in denial for the last 50 years.
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Old 17-07-2013, 19:46
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Old 17-07-2013, 20:12
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I dont give a shit if you have a film/story involving a gay superhero TBH (I'm not homophobic), but make a new character - dont change the sexuality of another character because if you made Spiderman gay/bi or whatever he wouldnt be Spiderman. He's always been straight in my book. Making him gay would be a reboot too far.
IMO if he's gay he isnt the same character, just like if you made Spiderman a girl (see the parody Spiderbabe) it wouldnt be the same. Superman and Supergirl are different characters for example.
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Old 17-07-2013, 22:17
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That's not true. Peter and MJ hung out for years before any of that.


The only way to answer that would be to expose you to a massive spoiler, so read on at your own peril:

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Old 17-07-2013, 22:37
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Is it possible he met MJ first then (I didnt know that) but in the cartoon he seems to date Gwen first? At the start of Spiderman (2002) PP refers to MJ as "the woman I loved since before I even liked girls"
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