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Old 17-07-2013, 00:46
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This thread is a continuation of:http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1796656

Last thread was getting abit long so welcome to part 20

Discuss everything Hollyoaks Related and enjoy the show
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Old 17-07-2013, 00:58
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Would love to see what Sienna does to Ruby and Sinead if they crossed her, if Esther heard what Sienna does to Ruby and Sinead she won't let Sienna hurt them and would stand up to Sienna since Esther can see throw her.

Patrick did a good job sorting out the bullies Sinead and Ruby, would of been great seeing give Maddy a run for her money and be embarrassed by Patrick knowing she can't fool him or get away with any of her cruel behaviour any longer.
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Old 17-07-2013, 01:28
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The new hollyoaks credits are great goes by so quickley we have to look closely to see the new characters in them, they should slow it down so we can all see the characters in the new credits better.

It's great to see all the old characters in the new credits with the characters we all know. Now that Trevor in the new hollyoaks credits he be up to allot of bad things to come to hollyoaks village.

It's been some time since we seen Robbie and was told to leave by his mother Sandy, whenever he comes back Hollyoaks Later would be the best place for Robbie to return to hollyoaks and make his mark known again to the whole village of hollyoaks.
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Old 17-07-2013, 01:51
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Picking up fro some discussion on the previous thread - I do have to agree that Brendan leaving has been a blessing in disguise. He was a great character, but a character of his complex nature required development and a lot of screen time. So with exits of him, Cheryl and Mitzeee there has been need to focus on others.

Now we have Sinead being used to the best of her potential. I always remember the praise she got from day one - and throughout the bullying storyline, most people accepted she was a horrible person, but she was played really well. The whole Bart storyline and Maddie managing to play her and dating Gaz was a massive mistake and trod the character into the ground. Great turn around though.

So now we have Sinead carrying these bigger plots and scenes. Great viewing, she has come into her own now. Diane has been another treat, an actress like Alex Fletcher deserved more - those scenes with Diane and Cindy were memorable.

The only character I would remove is Doctor Browning - he was an amazing character first time around, he deserved the BSA win - but I'd say that was before. I do not enjoy his scams, he is not scary, he is over the top. No villain you love. He is a panto villain, he magics dead bodies in coffins, he runs the hospital, he runs a club too, he tries to threaten other men.. really? He is no brawler.

Now Trevor on the other hand - he is mean and actually scary, he is a character with a big future.

The Roscoes are such a mixed bag. I do not know who I like the best. Freddie has improved the most, he and Lindsey really have something over Joe and Lindsey. I actually like Ziggy too, he is the one to watch IMO.

Sienna is fantastic and has been since day one. The Osbornes storyline is creating drama. It is on top form at the moment.

With BK at the helm, I just think it is going to get better and better.
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Old 17-07-2013, 02:04
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I don't like the current 'badness' of the show and it has nothing to do with Brendan leaving. I just think there is too much.

We have Browning the murderer plotting to kill his mother-in-law.

Mercedes being Mercedes, while she isn't up to anything at the moment, it's just a matter of time.

Browning's stalker, who is most like PantoClaire and even if it isn't, she is coming back.

Ste returning to his dark side.

Sinead in dark plots which involves the bad cop using her (which would be fine on it's own, but it just adds to the list)

Will murdering Texas and plotting to kill again, who is also causing trouble for anyone in his way as well as Dodger because he is jealous

Partrick and his manipulation of Maxine which turns nasty.

Sienna with the Osbornes.

Trevor being involved with Browning, Ste, McQueen and Freddie.

Freddie is caught up with Trevor.

Robbie, who will be back at some point.

The McQueens are often in some scam.

I haven't been a fan of the last couple of months. I do like the Roscoe's, but they aren't being shown much, they are wasting Sandy. I thought Sienna and Patrick were good, but I have gotten bored of the Sienna plot and we aren't seeing much of Patrick and BK's interview doesn't fill me with hope that I will like the future.
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Old 17-07-2013, 08:18
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I personally love Brendan but I do think it's silly how much people make out he saved Hollyoaks or was the best thing to ever happen to it because as I have been watching since the first episode I know that it not the case and it does strike me as ridiculous that people who weren't even born when it started make these claims. It's also clearly a better show right now than it has been since the last time BK was in charge and that would have been the case with or without all the big characters we've lost.
Ironically the most Brendan gets talked about on these thread is people that complain about viewers who won't let him go! .

I've been watching 8 years religiously and a few years in the latter 90s. I think he was the best thing to ever happen to the show but for me, BUT it doesn't lessen my enjoyment of Hollyoaks pre and post Brendan, I still love it, it just doesn't have that added bonus anymore. I think as a whole I prefered the show during parts of Paul Marquess's time and also that October period of the Mercedes/Riley wedding and Silas more than anything BK mark2 has done.

Stories are fine (nothing that grips me enough to wish the day away for a new episode, but watchable), it's the current characters I find lacking. It's not just Brendan, it's Jacqui, Rhys and Mitzeee too for me.
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Old 17-07-2013, 11:34
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Since Brendan left I have been watching sporadically. I am interested how Ste develops. One thing that annoys me about Kieron's acting is his constant gesticulating with every word he says. One thing the partnership with Emmett did was to tone it down. Last night he was at it again. I suppose one could say it is his interpretation of the character but I think it is generally his acting style and it distracts me like mad. I have never noticed any human being I have met use his hands like that!
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Old 17-07-2013, 12:06
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Since Brendan left I have been watching sporadically. I am interested how Ste develops. One thing that annoys me about Kieron's acting is his constant gesticulating with every word he says. One thing the partnership with Emmett did was to tone it down. Last night he was at it again. I suppose one could say it is his interpretation of the character but I think it is generally his acting style and it distracts me like mad. I have never noticed any human being I have met use his hands like that!
He's a terrible actor. Another thing I have noticed about him is that whenever called upon to try portray extreme emotions his standard facial expression is to look horrified. One of the things that made me laugh with Stug is that Ste always looked horrified whenever Doug told him he loved him. I don't think he was supposed to, we were meant to be buying into the fluffy romance, but the acting ruined the illusion.
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Old 17-07-2013, 12:11
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This was the last post before the previous thread was closed. It was in reply to Rinsewind who wanted to know about Holly's friends with her outside The Dog.

They were girls from a BBC Three documentary People Like Us about a Manchester council estate.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p010...es/codie-amber
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Old 17-07-2013, 13:19
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Soap Squ**k have posted some spoilers for the next few weeks two of which are quite interesting!

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Old 17-07-2013, 13:37
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I think the Anna/Dirk/Patrick story is fascinating, especially Anna's background and her life story in general. I always find myself reinterested when they talk about the time around when she left the Savages. I'd love to see more of her but it's a shame that it looks like we won't be seeing an entire lot more....

Regarding BK's interview that says
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Old 17-07-2013, 14:00
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Ironically the most Brendan gets talked about on these thread is people that complain about viewers who won't let him go! .

I've been watching 8 years religiously and a few years in the latter 90s. I think he was the best thing to ever happen to the show but for me, BUT it doesn't lessen my enjoyment of Hollyoaks pre and post Brendan, I still love it, it just doesn't have that added bonus anymore. I think as a whole I prefered the show during parts of Paul Marquess's time and also that October period of the Mercedes/Riley wedding and Silas more than anything BK mark2 has done.

Stories are fine (nothing that grips me enough to wish the day away for a new episode, but watchable), it's the current characters I find lacking. It's not just Brendan, it's Jacqui, Rhys and Mitzeee too for me.
What's been surprising to me is that I really haven't missed these characters despite the fact that they are among my favourite of all time. I think that's because, certainly in the case of Brendan and Jacqui, they were at the end of their story. I really believe Emmett chose the right time to leave because as much as I loved his big storylines watching the ridiculousness of Brendan involved in love-triangles with Doug and Noah was painful. He was never a character that worked with domestic stuff like that and it wasn't sustainable to have him constantly in peril etc. As for Jacqui, the big mistake was killing off Rhys and having the affair storyline. She seemed completely aimless after that. They should have given them both a happy ending going off somewhere together, they knew they were both leaving.

I agree that there was some fantastic stuff from Paul Marquess and Gareth Phillips and even Emma Smithwick. Silas, Brendan and Jacqui's rape storylines being the obvious examples but for me as fantastic as those were, the fact that most of the other storylines that happened around those times were so poorly written brings down the quality as a whole. Whereas I think BK mark 2 has brought the quality up as a whole.

In my view Brendan is one of the best things ever on Hollyoaks but not the best. I think it's hard to argue with BK mark 1's reign. That was Hollyoaks on fire. The viewing figures were excellent. Fans and critics were loving it. We had Max and OB, probably the fan favourites of all time. We had McDean, Hannah's anorexia, who pushed Clare and so on. Oh how I wish for that kind of quality again. But I do think we are nearing it right now in a way that Hollyoaks haven't been able to sustain for years. We've had the odd week of utter brilliance like Halloween/Silas week and Brendan's last week but then when we had Bart and Sinead in between it rather takes the shine off.
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Old 17-07-2013, 16:58
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I agree that there was some fantastic stuff from Paul Marquess and Gareth Phillips and even Emma Smithwick. Silas, Brendan and Jacqui's rape storylines being the obvious examples but for me as fantastic as those were, the fact that most of the other storylines that happened around those times were so poorly written brings down the quality as a whole. Whereas I think BK mark 2 has brought the quality up as a whole.

In my view Brendan is one of the best things ever on Hollyoaks but not the best. I think it's hard to argue with BK mark 1's reign. That was Hollyoaks on fire. The viewing figures were excellent. Fans and critics were loving it. We had Max and OB, probably the fan favourites of all time. We had McDean, Hannah's anorexia, who pushed Clare and so on. Oh how I wish for that kind of quality again. But I do think we are nearing it right now in a way that Hollyoaks haven't been able to sustain for years. We've had the odd week of utter brilliance like Halloween/Silas week and Brendan's last week but then when we had Bart and Sinead in between it rather takes the shine off.
Perhaps it's semantics but I would have said "best thing to happen to Hollyoaks" is a term to describe a singular plot or character rather than to say McDean/Clare/Hannah's story chunked together. Perhaps yes, as a producer BK was the best thing to happen to Hollyoaks in 2007 but as a singular thing, a character, BB is that to me.

I do agree that as a whole the 2007ish era of BK was the best it's ever been and thought of fondly because of it. I couldn't say for one minute Hollyoaks is near to that quality currently. There are lots of shock moments that last an episode or two (Callum's shooting, Sienna breastfeeding etc) and decentish plots but I think those are marred with a rather weak character pool. The McQueens are beyond tired, the Rosoces are good but are only just bedding in, Will is atrocious and so on. Yes the Nancy plot is good, I love Ste, I love Freddie and Lindsey, Tony and Finn's little chat was gold, but it's nowhere near the compelling viewing it was. And nothing like the great heights of 2007.

Perhaps as a whole the show is in a better place but there's nothing stand out for me. I would never turn to a friend and said "You must watch Hollyoaks, there's a great story on so and so right now." Whereas Mercedes's stabbing, Lynsey's death, Walker's (first) revenge in 2012 - those were worthy of telling people to tune in.
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Old 17-07-2013, 19:21
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Regarding BK's interview that says
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Old 17-07-2013, 19:39
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Old 17-07-2013, 19:41
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Another good episode tonight. I can't believe how much i'm loving Ste right now. He feels like the guy who used to be one of my favourite characters again.

Just saw on twitter that Steph Davis is going to delete her account because of the bullying she gets on there. It's horrible, she's only a young girl herself. I don't even think she's more than 20. Poor girl.
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Old 17-07-2013, 19:43
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What is the point in bringing Liberty back when she is leaving in a couple of weeks, she has barely been featured this year she could have been written out of screen and know one would have noticed.
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Old 17-07-2013, 19:46
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Why is Dennis still on the opening titles :/
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Old 17-07-2013, 19:53
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Another good episode tonight. I can't believe how much i'm loving Ste right now. He feels like the guy who used to be one of my favourite characters again.

Just saw on twitter that Steph Davis is going to delete her account because of the bullying she gets on there. It's horrible, she's only a young girl herself. I don't even think she's more than 20. Poor girl.
It's sad how people use twitter to abuse people.I am not on there but I know a lot of actors and actresses do now to hear from fans and promote their work.
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Old 17-07-2013, 19:54
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Why is Dennis still on the opening titles :/
Because he's still in the show. He came back a couple of weeks ago
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Old 17-07-2013, 19:58
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Another good episode but I hate seeing Nancy so alone!

I love that she has Esther on her side though, Esther is a proper little gem.
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Old 17-07-2013, 20:11
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Darren is such a flipping plank!
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Old 17-07-2013, 20:25
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It's sad how people use twitter to abuse people.I am not on there but I know a lot of actors and actresses do now to hear from fans and promote their work.
A lot of people in the media say it's part of their job now but I honestly don't think i'd want one if I was famous. People are just so horrible. It's a terrible thing. I feel sorry for young stars now that have this constant social networking to deal with. I felt really bad for Stephanie, I noticed a tweet a few days ago that was sort of worrying and now I know why.
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Old 17-07-2013, 20:32
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Old 17-07-2013, 20:50
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A lot of people in the media say it's part of their job now but I honestly don't think i'd want one if I was famous. People are just so horrible. It's a terrible thing. I feel sorry for young stars now that have this constant social networking to deal with. I felt really bad for Stephanie, I noticed a tweet a few days ago that was sort of worrying and now I know why.
I completely agree. poor Stephanie.
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