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Old 18-07-2013, 12:03
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I'd definitely recommend Matt Smith's series. I grew up with Jon Pertwee and Tom Baker as the Doctor and firmly believed that no one after Baker (Tom) was worthy of the name. How could anyone fill the boots of such legends? I then gave Christopher Eccleston a go, but found him a bit forced. Then, just a few days ago, I took possession of DVDs featuring Matt Smith. What a revelation! The guy is a natural, and the standard of production is superb - money has obviously been spent and spent well.

I really would have liked to have posted this in a more general TV forum as I'm probably speaking to the converted here. But what a treat. British TV has something to cherish with the modern Doctor Whos. Very much hoping that his successor will be carefully chosen.
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Old 18-07-2013, 12:46
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Absolutely - I'm a Tom Baker man, but Matt Smith is definitely now my number 2 (if you see what I mean)
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Old 18-07-2013, 14:47
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I'd definitely recommend Matt Smith's series. I grew up with Jon Pertwee and Tom Baker as the Doctor and firmly believed that no one after Baker (Tom) was worthy of the name. How could anyone fill the boots of such legends? I then gave Christopher Eccleston a go, but found him a bit forced. Then, just a few days ago, I took possession of DVDs featuring Matt Smith. What a revelation! The guy is a natural, and the standard of production is superb - money has obviously been spent and spent well.

I really would have liked to have posted this in a more general TV forum as I'm probably speaking to the converted here. But what a treat. British TV has something to cherish with the modern Doctor Whos. Very much hoping that his successor will be carefully chosen.
As a fan from 1963 I agree with you entirely - Matt is wonderful! (I also agree with your comment about Eccleston).

You seem to have missed someone out, though - did you not like Tennant, or have you not seen him? If the latter, do give his series a go.
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Old 18-07-2013, 17:17
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As a fan from 1963 I agree with you entirely - Matt is wonderful! (I also agree with your comment about Eccleston).

You seem to have missed someone out, though - did you not like Tennant, or have you not seen him? If the latter, do give his series a go.
I saw clips of David Tennant a few years ago, usually in trailers for Dr Who, but it didn't really register that I might want to check him out. After Tom Baker retired back in the very early 1980s, I gave up on the Doctor for about two decades till a friend started coming around with complete series on VHS. During the course of a couple of years, we watched many, many full stories featuring Harknell, Troughton, Pertwee, Tom and a little bit of Davidson and Colin Baker.

Even then, the ones I enjoyed the most were Terror of the Autons, The Sea Devils, The Green Death, City of Death, The Sontaron Experiment, The Daemons etc etc... all Jon and Tom! So, my preferences had been confirmed.

That was before the "reboot" (but after the Paul McGann film), and I only saw a few Ecclestons and wasn't all that impressed. Now, however, my Amazon wish list is heaving with stuff to get, and I'll make sure David Tennant is on there too.
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Old 23-07-2013, 20:56
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As a fan from 1963 I agree with you entirely - Matt is wonderful! (I also agree with your comment about Eccleston).

You seem to have missed someone out, though - did you not like Tennant, or have you not seen him? If the latter, do give his series a go.
Just got my first Tennant series DVDs and am halfway through Christmas Invasion. Excellent stuff, and very promising for Tennant's tenure as the Doctor. It has a better story and production values than most big budget Sci-Fi films.
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Old 24-07-2013, 17:24
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Just got my first Tennant series DVDs and am halfway through Christmas Invasion. Excellent stuff, and very promising for Tennant's tenure as the Doctor. It has a better story and production values than most big budget Sci-Fi films.
I too agree about Eccleston, but it was a huge ask to bring the series back at all (for all involved) and would love to have seen a second series from him (or more!) after a promising start.

'My Doctor' was Tom Baker, but I reckon Matt Smith equals him now in my affections (even though - while I loved series 5, series 6 & 7 - the odd stunner aside - left me increasingly cold and disillusioned, not bothered even ).

For me while there are some cracking epsiodes in series 2 Tennant really grew into the role full-time in 3, and hit his peak as The Doctor in 4. Stunning stuff (and some of the best individual episodes in the new series imo) and I am really jealous that you are getting to see them as a fan for the very first time. Enjoy (you will!!!)
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Old 24-07-2013, 18:02
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P.S. It might be well worth staying off this forum until you've reached the end of the Tennant years - trust me, you do not want any of it spoiled!!!
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Old 24-07-2013, 20:13
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Just got my first Tennant series DVDs and am halfway through Christmas Invasion. Excellent stuff, and very promising for Tennant's tenure as the Doctor. It has a better story and production values than most big budget Sci-Fi films.
Series 2 is excellent, series 3 contains some of the best ever Doctor Who episodes, and series 4 is the best series there has ever been.

All imo, of course - and I admit to being a Ten fan.

Well, OK, there is the very occasional duff episode, which I won't name, I'll let you decide for yourself. Happy viewing.
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Old 24-07-2013, 20:16
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I prefer Smith to Tennant (and Eccleston to Smith, funnily enough) but would have to say that Series 4 is the strongest so far. I hope you enjoy catching up on Nu-Who, just in time for the 50th Anniversary.
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Old 24-07-2013, 20:25
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Series 2 is excellent, series 3 contains some of the best ever Doctor Who episodes, and series 4 is the best series there has ever been.

All imo, of course - and I admit to being a Ten fan.

Well, OK, there is the very occasional duff episode, which I won't name, I'll let you decide for yourself. Happy viewing.
For me series 2 is the lowest point of all NuWho, it includes my 3 worst NuWho episodes, my least favorite companion (while she wasn't that bad in S1, she really made it hard for me to sit through serries 2) and my least favorite Doctor/companion relationship, not even David Tennant could save that for me. Series 3 is allright, but I agree on that point with the best episodes. Series 4 is really great, for me it ranks just behind S5 on my top series list. However I'm not a big fan of the last three episodes and the way it ended, but I do like pretty much all the individual episodes before that.

Only goes to show exactly how much people's opinions on Who can differ when you look at what Granny and me think about series 2, so it's always fun to see what others (especially first time watchers) have to say.
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Old 24-07-2013, 21:53
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Thank you all for your excellent posts since mine yesterday. I will be selective looking at threads so that I can do my best to avoid spoilers, and I had a good smile when nattoyaki expressed jealousy because I've still got so much yet to watch. I remember saying the same thing when I loaned a mate my complete Sopranos collection!

Just posted in the US TV forum that I had just given up on Dexter after all these years. I was lying here on the settee after a particularly tiring day thinking what a load of rubbish it has become, and also pondering what I could be doing instead (apart from as usual trawling the DS forums), and of course the Doctor came to mind.

Oh no. I can see me having even less money for luxuries than usual over the forthcoming months as it's obvious I have yet more Dr Who collections to get. My Amazon wish list is full of Pertwee, Baker and Smith, and now I will have to add the remaining Tennant series. Then, of course, will come the Eccleston series...

Oh well! Now it's time to put my feet up with New Earth from season/series two.
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Old 24-07-2013, 22:37
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Thank you all for your excellent posts since mine yesterday. I will be selective looking at threads so that I can do my best to avoid spoilers, and I had a good smile when nattoyaki expressed jealousy because I've still got so much yet to watch. I remember saying the same thing when I loaned a mate my complete Sopranos collection!

Just posted in the US TV forum that I had just given up on Dexter after all these years. I was lying here on the settee after a particularly tiring day thinking what a load of rubbish it has become, and also pondering what I could be doing instead (apart from as usual trawling the DS forums), and of course the Doctor came to mind.

Oh no. I can see me having even less money for luxuries than usual over the forthcoming months as it's obvious I have yet more Dr Who collections to get. My Amazon wish list is full of Pertwee, Baker and Smith, and now I will have to add the remaining Tennant series. Then, of course, will come the Eccleston series...

Oh well! Now it's time to put my feet up with New Earth from season/series two.
Please keep us posted on your opinions of series 2. I promise not to get huffy if you aren't that keen. (Well, maybe a bit huffy. )

It's always interesting to hear people's reactions to their first viewing.
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Old 24-07-2013, 22:52
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Yes indeed, first reactions are fascinating and I might even be tempted to watch along with you if you keep the thread up, been quite a while since I watched series 2

I agree there are a few ropey episodes in there, but from the beginning of series 2 Tennant and the show only go from strength to strength imho, and there are some incredible crackers.

I've only ever watched a few episodes of The Sopranos so will take that as a long-overdue nudge to finally get watching!

Keep us updated please, I'll keep an eye on this thread - it'll be great to see what you make of it through fresh eyes

P.S. Did you get up to date with all of Smith's tenure so far?
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Old 24-07-2013, 22:58
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When I first read that Matt Smith had landed the role, and I looked at some pics & footage of him, I thought ""Oh no! He's far too young! This won't work at all". But no more than ten minutes into his first episode, I knew that I had been proved very wrong. Before that, I had only watched a handful of NuWho episodes. Matt Smith got me right into Who again (to be fair, Moffatt's superb style of writing also had a lot to do with it. I just think he's a top class screenwriter).
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Old 24-07-2013, 23:45
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Thank you all for your excellent posts since mine yesterday. I will be selective looking at threads so that I can do my best to avoid spoilers, and I had a good smile when nattoyaki expressed jealousy because I've still got so much yet to watch. I remember saying the same thing when I loaned a mate my complete Sopranos collection!

Just posted in the US TV forum that I had just given up on Dexter after all these years. I was lying here on the settee after a particularly tiring day thinking what a load of rubbish it has become, and also pondering what I could be doing instead (apart from as usual trawling the DS forums), and of course the Doctor came to mind.

Oh no. I can see me having even less money for luxuries than usual over the forthcoming months as it's obvious I have yet more Dr Who collections to get. My Amazon wish list is full of Pertwee, Baker and Smith, and now I will have to add the remaining Tennant series. Then, of course, will come the Eccleston series...

Oh well! Now it's time to put my feet up with New Earth from season/series two.
I really hope you enjoy the journey. Going off topic I saw the first series of the Sopranos before it went to satellite with sky and couldn't afford it and really liked it. Is it worth watching the rest though as it's nine series isn't it ? Buy or rent?
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Old 25-07-2013, 00:07
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I really hope you enjoy the journey. Going off topic I saw the first series of the Sopranos before it went to satellite with sky and couldn't afford it and really liked it. Is it worth watching the rest though as it's nine series isn't it ? Buy or rent?
6 series. I love the first four.
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Old 25-07-2013, 03:45
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For me series 2 is the lowest point of all NuWho, it includes my 3 worst NuWho episodes, my least favorite companion (while she wasn't that bad in S1, she really made it hard for me to sit through serries 2) and my least favorite Doctor/companion relationship, not even David Tennant could save that for me.
I agree with this. In fact, while I was disappointed with Series 1 in that I really didn't care much for the 9th Doctor (he never really felt like the Doctor to me somehow) or for Rose, I particularly didn't like Series 2 and the whole "romance thing" which just annoyed me and I actually lost interest in the show at that point.
However, after watching some of the Martha episodes and especially the Donna episodes, which I really liked (the chemistry and relationship between the Doctor and Donna was great), I regained my interest in the show.

I also like the 11th Doctor a lot and generally like his era (with some reservations) although I wish he had had one really good companion, someone who would have been his Donna or his Sarah Jane.
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Old 25-07-2013, 08:05
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I'm not sure if you will get huffy with this or not, Granny.

The first half of New Earth I thought was amazing. The cat people, I thought were brilliant. The wit was also first class and I found myself grinning and chuckling permanently for about half an hour - I rarely even do that with a favourite comedy. I then felt it got a bit messy with the jumping from body to body bits, though my respect for Billie Piper shot up as I thought she handled the personality changes well. Perhaps a little bit too sentimental for my tastes, too. All in all, a very good episode.

The Sopranos - well, what a departure from Dr Who! I imagine people will be buying the box sets in droves after the sad death of James Gandolfini last month, but anyone with the time and patience should be richly rewarded. If anyone is unsure about committing might I suggest downloading the episode "Pine Barrens" - it's a great way to learn about a couple of major characters, is very wry and humorous (laugh out loud at times, too), and as far as I recall doesn't contain any spoilers that would detract from going back to the beginning to watch it all. Personally, I'd buy the first season, see what you think, then decide if you want to make a further commitment. It's rare I'd ever rent a series of a show as it sort of makes me feel that I would have to buy it if I liked it anyway, and I'd not have the full enjoyment of it arriving as I'd already seen it! If you see what I mean. And my interest would probably wane as a consequence. I'm definitely a buyer, personally - I like to know I can watch stuff I love when I like.

At the moment, because I have so much to watch, to catch up on, and to watch again after many years, I'm dipping into episodes by a variety of doctors in a bit of a scattergun way based on mood. The thing is, I don't yet have everything in sequential order (there are gaps all over the shop - some very big ones, such as only one Hartnell story, no Troughton, Colin Baker, Davidson or McCoy) so I'm going backwards and forwards cherry picking a bit. For example, having recently watched Pertwee's Inferno I now fancy some slightly later stuff from perhaps 1972 or 73. I will be watching Tennant in the correct order, though.
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Old 25-07-2013, 10:01
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I'm not sure if you will get huffy with this or not, Granny.

The first half of New Earth I thought was amazing. The cat people, I thought were brilliant. The wit was also first class and I found myself grinning and chuckling permanently for about half an hour - I rarely even do that with a favourite comedy. I then felt it got a bit messy with the jumping from body to body bits, though my respect for Billie Piper shot up as I thought she handled the personality changes well. Perhaps a little bit too sentimental for my tastes, too. All in all, a very good episode.

Not huffy at all. A score of nil on my huffometer.

New Earth is one of my favourite episodes, though I don't think it's generally well regarded on here. I think it's very funny, in spite of the dark undertones. When Cassandra/Rose says "Wotcha!" to the Doctor it cracks me up every time - as does the kiss.

Re the sentimentality. I'm not sure what to say. It doesn't exactly disappear in the rest of the series (I like it, personally ).

Tooth and Claw next, isn't it? Brilliant.
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Old 25-07-2013, 10:07
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Thank you for such a positive thread OP. it's refreshing to read such well balanced and considered opinions.
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Old 25-07-2013, 11:33
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Thanks Facepalmer. To be honest, with so much that is dire in film and TV it's refreshing to find an enclave on DS where I can be positive! Totally unforced, too.


Granny McSmith. Well, I like it too and will definitely be watching it again. The standard of writing and acting, even for smaller parts, has really surprised me, in a good way. Going way back to the 1970 Doctor of Jon Pertwee, what really breaks the illusion at times isn't the ropy special effects, but the poor acting of supporting characters. Not Nicholas Courtney, Liz Shaw and other regulars, but "background artistes" dithering about and looking bewildered. That is clearly a much lesser problem now.

Yes, Tooth and Claw next; probably tonight. Though I'd like to fit in a few episodes of either a Jon Pertwee story or Tom Baker's City of Death which arrived yesterday. All going well I won't have many distractions tonight and can watch all.

All. By the way, does just about every fan of "New Doctor" here also collect the old classics? And who are people's old favourite Doctors or Doctors they avoid, if any?
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Old 25-07-2013, 17:25
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Not very keen on Tooth and Claw, though it was watchable. I found it more like a Sherlock Holmes tale than a Dr Who episode. Interesting to see Anette Crosby portraying Victoria again after all these years, though I'm pretty sure a constitutional monarch can't go around autonomously handing out knighthoods and exiling people.

If Christmas Invasion and New Earth were both 8/10, I'd have to give Tooth and Claw 4/10, though if a forthcoming episode features a dystopian steam punk future because of the "nick" Victoria got on her wrist then that would be good fun and make Tooth and Claw much more worthwhile.
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Old 25-07-2013, 17:53
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Not very keen on Tooth and Claw, though it was watchable. I found it more like a Sherlock Holmes tale than a Dr Who episode. Interesting to see Anette Crosby portraying Victoria again after all these years, though I'm pretty sure a constitutional monarch can't go around autonomously handing out knighthoods and exiling people.

If Christmas Invasion and New Earth were both 8/10, I'd have to give Tooth and Claw 4/10, though if a forthcoming episode features a dystopian steam punk future because of the "nick" Victoria got on her wrist then that would be good fun and make Tooth and Claw much more worthwhile.
Hmm, personally I'd probably give Tooth and claw a higher rating than New Earth, The thing with New Earth is that Cassandra was already a bit too camp for me back when she appeared in series 1, so I didn't really get the point of bringing her back for series 2. I don't remember all that much about Tooth and Claw asides from that I quite enjoyed it, but I reember that it has the scene where the Doctor sees the werewolf for the first time and he goes all "oh, you are beautiful", which is a wonderful moment for both Ten and Tennant.

So, it's School Reunion next, right? Without wanting to spoil it for you, something is telling me that as someone who grew up with Pertwee and Baker era you are likely going to enjoy that one.
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Old 25-07-2013, 18:04
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I much preferred Tooth and Claw to New Earth too, but I've always loved the historicals. The tones do differ wildly through most of the Tennant years, but i don't mind that in 1/2 parters. And didn't like Cassandra, but it was still a solid episode for early Tennant imo. I'd give NE a 6 and TaC an 8 (compared to much of series 1 which I didn't much like). In the context of the highs of the revival as a whole I'd drop those both down one (maybe not NE).

City of Death tonight? As I posted on the first ep thread that is the first serial I remember part of (the paintings, the Scaroth reveal, the ending) - amazing stuff

'Constitutional' monarchs have rather more power than you might think I reckon, but that's for another thread, or more probably another forum entirely
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Old 25-07-2013, 18:04
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So you weren't keen on Tooth and Claw - I liked the monks, and the reference to Jamie McCrimmon. And the pathos at the end when the poor boy trapped as a werewolf says "let me go". In fact, I loved it.

And (pedant alert) Victoria was played by Pauline Collins.

Oh, yes, School Reunion next - oh, lucky you. SilenceWillFall is right. I think you will enjoy it.
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