Russian mobile operators stop selling iPhones (big market to miss out on)

Everything Goes · 18-07-2013, 15:59

Russian mobile operators have stopped selling iPhones. This is a big market, so its a huge loss for Apple. But once again Apple's greed has gotten the better of them.

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Andrei Dubovskov, CEO of leading Russian carrier MTS, elaborated in an interview last week. "Apple wants operators to pay them huge money, subsidizing iPhones and their promotion in Russia," Dubovskov told Bloomberg. "Now it's not beneficial for us. It's good we stopped selling the iPhone as these sales would've brought us a negative margin."

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/07...nyet_to_apple/

Zack06 · 18-07-2013, 16:14

I doubt it will make much difference considering Android has 70.9% of the Russian market, but still. Things don't seem to be going Apple's way recently.

flagpole · 18-07-2013, 16:20

I saw that earlier.

Apple pushed the networks too far.

Everything Goes · 18-07-2013, 16:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by flagpole

I saw that earlier.

Apple pushed the networks too far.

Apple seem to think it is a privilege to sell iPhone's and if you don't sell iPhones you will loose customers. So the networks must agree to Apples terms of business or they wont get any. Clearly in Russia they have had enough and were not prepared to make a loss just to please Apple. I doubt this will happen over here any time soon. But if Apple start losing market share then the tables will turn.

kidspud · 18-07-2013, 16:57

Mts have not had a contract to sell iPhones since September 2012.

iPhones are still for sell through other outlets.

swordman · 18-07-2013, 17:08

Just like the stories of US networks owing millions after less than expected sales. You can only push people so far and it seems there are lots of areas that apple is being pushed back on lately with the value of iphones being questioned and their criminal activity being exposed.

People realise finally there are better most cost effective options in the market and are wiseing up to being over charged continually.

enapace · 18-07-2013, 17:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zack06

I doubt it will make much difference considering Android has 70.9% of the Russian market, but still. Things don't seem to be going Apple's way recently.

Russian population is over double the uk population so even if it smaller amount it still a hell of a lot of people that apple could of sold them to.

kidspud · 18-07-2013, 17:16

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Originally Posted by swordman

Just like the stories of US networks owing millions after less than expected sales. You can only push people so far and it seems there are lots of areas that apple is being pushed back on lately with the value of iphones being questioned and their criminal activity being exposed.

People realise finally there are better most cost effective options in the market and are wiseing up to being over charged continually.

Yes, it will be interesting to see how things are at apple next week when they report on the quarter. With samsung failing to meet expectations you would think apple will be in for a rough ride considering they haven't brought out a new phone for a while.

enapace · 18-07-2013, 17:19

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Originally Posted by kidspud

Yes, it will be interesting to see how things are at apple next week when they report on the quarter. With samsung failing to meet expectations you would think apple will be in for a rough ride considering they haven't brought out a new phone for a while.

Yeah the only new product I believe this year was the new Macbook air.

swordman · 18-07-2013, 17:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by kidspud

Yes, it will be interesting to see how things are at apple next week when they report on the quarter. With samsung failing to meet expectations you would think apple will be in for a rough ride considering they haven't brought out a new phone for a while.

I would or you would? strange wording there.

You don't think the iphone has been selling well then do you, things aren't looking great but you may be surprised don't lose hope.

kidspud · 18-07-2013, 17:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by swordman

I would or you would? strange wording there.

You don't think the iphone has been selling well then do you, things aren't looking great but you may be surprised don't lose hope.

Not sure it makes any difference to me but I don't know whether it has been selling well or not as no figures have come out yet. It was you that referred to less than expected sells.

Zack06 · 18-07-2013, 17:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by enapace

Russian population is over double the uk population so even if it smaller amount it still a hell of a lot of people that apple could of sold them to.

It may be a larger market than the UK, but don't forget that Apple has only an eighth of the market share that Android has in Russia. Their sales potential will be far lower and analysts have been remarking on the massive surge in Android shipments to Russia.

This move will no doubt be a massive blow to Apple. It will be interesting to see how the market changes, particularly if this embargo on iPhone sales extends to the new model due later this year. With Android having over 50% share in every major market, Apple must be extremely concerned that this kind of move. They should be worried whether the situation in Russia will spark similar moves in other countries.

kidspud · 18-07-2013, 18:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zack06

It may be a larger market than the UK, but don't forget that Apple has only an eighth of the market share that Android has in Russia. Their sales potential will be far lower and analysts have been remarking on the massive surge in Android shipments to Russia.

This move will no doubt be a massive blow to Apple. It will be interesting to see how the market changes, particularly if this embargo on iPhone sales extends to the new model due later this year. With Android having over 50% share in every major market, Apple must be extremely concerned that this kind of move. They should be worried whether the situation in Russia will spark similar moves in other countries.

What sells embargo?

flagpole · 18-07-2013, 18:00

I guess part of the problem is the iPhone is shit.

Happen if apple were to address that...

The Lord Lucan · 18-07-2013, 18:04

Most iPhones sold in Russia are from Apple direct sim free or through cheap imports.

MTS hasn't done the iPhone officially for some time so i'm not sure where this came from unless it's from recent negotiations for the 5S/6.

Russia has always been Android bandit country.. for obvious reasons

swordman · 18-07-2013, 18:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by kidspud

Not sure it makes any difference to me but I don't know whether it has been selling well or not as no figures have come out yet. It was you that referred to less than expected sells.

I repeated what I had heard about such things, never mentioned anything about their results or them being in for a rough ride

not sure how you got that from what I said very odd. They sell a lot more than just phones you know.

kidspud · 18-07-2013, 18:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by swordman

I repeated what I had heard about such things, never mentioned anything about their results or them being in for a rough ride

not sure how you got that from what I said very odd. They sell a lot more than just phones you know.

I really don't know what you are talking about. It was me who mentioned there results and rough ride as an observation following on from your comment regarding lack of sells.

The Lord Lucan · 18-07-2013, 19:34

All that can be said is that the competition is stronger and that the market itself due to various reasons has slowed. Should be interesting.

swordman · 18-07-2013, 19:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by kidspud

I really don't know what you are talking about. It was me who mentioned there results and rough ride as an observation following on from your comment regarding lack of sells.

Yes as I said in the response

your observation that they will be in for a rough ride, well if you think so ok that's fine.

Strange boy

alanwarwic · 18-07-2013, 19:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zack06

I doubt it will make much difference considering Android has 70.9% of the Russian market, but still. Things don't seem to be going Apple's way recently.

Android is meant to have 75% world wide so that would still leave 29% for Apple to attain its 18% world average from.

There is mention of it being 9% so who has the other 20%?

kidspud · 18-07-2013, 19:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by swordman

Yes as I said in the response

your observation that they will be in for a rough ride, well if you think so ok that's fine.

Strange boy

Nothing strange at all.

kidspud · 18-07-2013, 20:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by alanwarwic

Android is meant to have 75% world wide so that would still leave 29% for Apple to attain its 18% world average from.

There is mention of it being 9% so who has the other 20%?

The android market and the iPhone market are very different things.

alanwarwic · 18-07-2013, 20:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by kidspud

The android market and the iPhone market are very different things.

Yep, Android is in the PC system market whilst iPhone is in the iPod type gadget market.

kidspud · 18-07-2013, 20:09

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Originally Posted by alanwarwic

Yep, Android is in the PC system market whilst iPhone is in the iPod type gadget market.

Is it? Are there a lot of PCs using android.

Bagov · 18-07-2013, 21:14

It's to do with the Russian cedit-control laws. They forbid network subsidy allowing you to buy on credit through your bill (Which is what we do in the U.K). In view of the parlous state of the UK economy, exacerbated through bad personal debt, who's to say they're wrong? How many iPhones would have been sold in the UK in the last 8 years if we'd had that rule?

Anyone who's a regular on DS and keen on smartphones knows that the most economic way to finance your phone is to buy outright and get a sim deal. How many contributions have we seen from the "I got my Samoogle 7xxx for £50 cheaper than you by using Euros on Azerbaijan's Amazon-duh, obvs" have we seen on here? They're right, of course, but people (self included) still fall for the "IT'S FREE !(on a 24 month/£37 contract) BS.

18-07-2013, 15:59	#1
Everything Goes Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In the future.... Posts: 11,259	Russian mobile operators stop selling iPhones (big market to miss out on) Russian mobile operators have stopped selling iPhones. This is a big market, so its a huge loss for Apple. But once again Apple's greed has gotten the better of them. Quote: Andrei Dubovskov, CEO of leading Russian carrier MTS, elaborated in an interview last week. "Apple wants operators to pay them huge money, subsidizing iPhones and their promotion in Russia," Dubovskov told Bloomberg. "Now it's not beneficial for us. It's good we stopped selling the iPhone as these sales would've brought us a negative margin." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/07...nyet_to_apple/

18-07-2013, 16:14	#2
Zack06 Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 27,438	I doubt it will make much difference considering Android has 70.9% of the Russian market, but still. Things don't seem to be going Apple's way recently.

18-07-2013, 16:20	#3
flagpole Inactive Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 43,524	I saw that earlier. Apple pushed the networks too far.

18-07-2013, 16:27	#4
Everything Goes Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In the future.... Posts: 11,259	Quote: Originally Posted by flagpole I saw that earlier. Apple pushed the networks too far. Apple seem to think it is a privilege to sell iPhone's and if you don't sell iPhones you will loose customers. So the networks must agree to Apples terms of business or they wont get any. Clearly in Russia they have had enough and were not prepared to make a loss just to please Apple. I doubt this will happen over here any time soon. But if Apple start losing market share then the tables will turn.

18-07-2013, 16:57	#5
kidspud Forum Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 11,501	Mts have not had a contract to sell iPhones since September 2012. iPhones are still for sell through other outlets.

18-07-2013, 17:08	#6
swordman Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 6,342	Just like the stories of US networks owing millions after less than expected sales. You can only push people so far and it seems there are lots of areas that apple is being pushed back on lately with the value of iphones being questioned and their criminal activity being exposed. People realise finally there are better most cost effective options in the market and are wiseing up to being over charged continually.

18-07-2013, 17:12	#7
enapace Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 4,249	Quote: Originally Posted by Zack06 I doubt it will make much difference considering Android has 70.9% of the Russian market, but still. Things don't seem to be going Apple's way recently. Russian population is over double the uk population so even if it smaller amount it still a hell of a lot of people that apple could of sold them to.

18-07-2013, 17:16	#8
kidspud Forum Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 11,501	Quote: Originally Posted by swordman Just like the stories of US networks owing millions after less than expected sales. You can only push people so far and it seems there are lots of areas that apple is being pushed back on lately with the value of iphones being questioned and their criminal activity being exposed. People realise finally there are better most cost effective options in the market and are wiseing up to being over charged continually. Yes, it will be interesting to see how things are at apple next week when they report on the quarter. With samsung failing to meet expectations you would think apple will be in for a rough ride considering they haven't brought out a new phone for a while.

18-07-2013, 17:19	#9
enapace Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 4,249	Quote: Originally Posted by kidspud Yes, it will be interesting to see how things are at apple next week when they report on the quarter. With samsung failing to meet expectations you would think apple will be in for a rough ride considering they haven't brought out a new phone for a while. Yeah the only new product I believe this year was the new Macbook air.

18-07-2013, 17:48	#10
swordman Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 6,342	Quote: Originally Posted by kidspud Yes, it will be interesting to see how things are at apple next week when they report on the quarter. With samsung failing to meet expectations you would think apple will be in for a rough ride considering they haven't brought out a new phone for a while. I would or you would? strange wording there. You don't think the iphone has been selling well then do you, things aren't looking great but you may be surprised don't lose hope.

18-07-2013, 17:57	#11
kidspud Forum Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 11,501	Quote: Originally Posted by swordman I would or you would? strange wording there. You don't think the iphone has been selling well then do you, things aren't looking great but you may be surprised don't lose hope. Not sure it makes any difference to me but I don't know whether it has been selling well or not as no figures have come out yet. It was you that referred to less than expected sells.

18-07-2013, 17:58	#12
Zack06 Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 27,438	Quote: Originally Posted by enapace Russian population is over double the uk population so even if it smaller amount it still a hell of a lot of people that apple could of sold them to. It may be a larger market than the UK, but don't forget that Apple has only an eighth of the market share that Android has in Russia. Their sales potential will be far lower and analysts have been remarking on the massive surge in Android shipments to Russia. This move will no doubt be a massive blow to Apple. It will be interesting to see how the market changes, particularly if this embargo on iPhone sales extends to the new model due later this year. With Android having over 50% share in every major market, Apple must be extremely concerned that this kind of move. They should be worried whether the situation in Russia will spark similar moves in other countries.

18-07-2013, 18:00	#13
kidspud Forum Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 11,501	Quote: Originally Posted by Zack06 It may be a larger market than the UK, but don't forget that Apple has only an eighth of the market share that Android has in Russia. Their sales potential will be far lower and analysts have been remarking on the massive surge in Android shipments to Russia. This move will no doubt be a massive blow to Apple. It will be interesting to see how the market changes, particularly if this embargo on iPhone sales extends to the new model due later this year. With Android having over 50% share in every major market, Apple must be extremely concerned that this kind of move. They should be worried whether the situation in Russia will spark similar moves in other countries. What sells embargo?

18-07-2013, 18:04	#15
The Lord Lucan Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Scotland Posts: 4,966	Most iPhones sold in Russia are from Apple direct sim free or through cheap imports. MTS hasn't done the iPhone officially for some time so i'm not sure where this came from unless it's from recent negotiations for the 5S/6. Russia has always been Android bandit country.. for obvious reasons

18-07-2013, 18:23	#16
swordman Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 6,342	Quote: Originally Posted by kidspud Not sure it makes any difference to me but I don't know whether it has been selling well or not as no figures have come out yet. It was you that referred to less than expected sells. I repeated what I had heard about such things, never mentioned anything about their results or them being in for a rough ride not sure how you got that from what I said very odd. They sell a lot more than just phones you know.

18-07-2013, 18:37	#17
kidspud Forum Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 11,501	Quote: Originally Posted by swordman I repeated what I had heard about such things, never mentioned anything about their results or them being in for a rough ride not sure how you got that from what I said very odd. They sell a lot more than just phones you know. I really don't know what you are talking about. It was me who mentioned there results and rough ride as an observation following on from your comment regarding lack of sells.

18-07-2013, 19:34	#18
The Lord Lucan Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Scotland Posts: 4,966	All that can be said is that the competition is stronger and that the market itself due to various reasons has slowed. Should be interesting.

18-07-2013, 19:53	#19
swordman Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 6,342	Quote: Originally Posted by kidspud I really don't know what you are talking about. It was me who mentioned there results and rough ride as an observation following on from your comment regarding lack of sells. Yes as I said in the response your observation that they will be in for a rough ride, well if you think so ok that's fine. Strange boy

18-07-2013, 19:57	#20
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	Quote: Originally Posted by Zack06 I doubt it will make much difference considering Android has 70.9% of the Russian market, but still. Things don't seem to be going Apple's way recently. Android is meant to have 75% world wide so that would still leave 29% for Apple to attain its 18% world average from. There is mention of it being 9% so who has the other 20%?

18-07-2013, 19:59	#21
kidspud Forum Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 11,501	Quote: Originally Posted by swordman Yes as I said in the response your observation that they will be in for a rough ride, well if you think so ok that's fine. Strange boy Nothing strange at all.

18-07-2013, 20:01	#22
kidspud Forum Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 11,501	Quote: Originally Posted by alanwarwic Android is meant to have 75% world wide so that would still leave 29% for Apple to attain its 18% world average from. There is mention of it being 9% so who has the other 20%? The android market and the iPhone market are very different things.

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18-07-2013, 20:03	#23
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	Quote: Originally Posted by kidspud The android market and the iPhone market are very different things. Yep, Android is in the PC system market whilst iPhone is in the iPod type gadget market.

18-07-2013, 20:09	#24
kidspud Forum Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 11,501	Quote: Originally Posted by alanwarwic Yep, Android is in the PC system market whilst iPhone is in the iPod type gadget market. Is it? Are there a lot of PCs using android.

18-07-2013, 21:14	#25
Bagov Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Charlton, S.E London Posts: 133	It's to do with the Russian cedit-control laws. They forbid network subsidy allowing you to buy on credit through your bill (Which is what we do in the U.K). In view of the parlous state of the UK economy, exacerbated through bad personal debt, who's to say they're wrong? How many iPhones would have been sold in the UK in the last 8 years if we'd had that rule? Anyone who's a regular on DS and keen on smartphones knows that the most economic way to finance your phone is to buy outright and get a sim deal. How many contributions have we seen from the "I got my Samoogle 7xxx for £50 cheaper than you by using Euros on Azerbaijan's Amazon-duh, obvs" have we seen on here? They're right, of course, but people (self included) still fall for the "IT'S FREE !(on a 24 month/£37 contract) BS.