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Like I said there is absolutely NOTHING to prove that humans are more important! That is a FACT you are too arrogant to accept.
As for my attitude. Don't you dare say that I should not have a dog for not placing a human's life above that of my dog. In the grander scheme of things, humans (through thinking they are the most important of all) have done a hell of alot of damage, and (in the words of legendary Sir David Attenborough) have become a plague. I am not 'hard pressed' to find others with the same mindset as me. There are countless forums frequented by people like me. I know a lot of people in the real world who are fed-up with the supreme arrogance of humans. I have also managed to change quite a few minds. You can argue all you like, but at the end of the day, you have zero evidence to back-up any of your claims. You simply cannot make such sweeping statements without having anything concrete from which to base them. People like you are far more dangerous than any so called dangerous dog. You and your ilk are the types that find nothing wrong with humans churning out babies left, right and centre. That there is nothing wrong with chopping down forests and destroying greenbelt if it means building houses for the out-of-control human population. That if a non-human poses even the slightest risk to humans then it's perfectly alright to kill them. Disgusting! Oh and in terms of dogs not proven to be less important than people, why don't you prove me wrong!
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And you would kill a dog? What if one of your kids all of a sudden went for you or somebody else? ![]() ![]()
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You are missing the point because you choose to and in society there are laws to which humans must answer too and dogs too - what you are saying is that dogs are above the law and really no-one should be above the law if they attack someone there should be consequences
Breeding restrictions are readily put in place for dogs, cats, and other non-humans. Most rescues will spay and neuter before adopting out. A lot of owners are getting their non-rescues neutered too. Are such things done with humans? No! That is because humans think they are above everything else! |
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I'd surprised if you are older than 14.Your attitude and banality of your rhetoric suggest juvenile!
Oh and in terms of dogs not proven to be less important than people, why don't you prove me wrong! ![]() |
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And again, Bwahhaahahahaa!
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Oh look! No proof and you resort to name calling! How clever of you - not!
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More sarcasm? What a surprise and I don't' think! I was just proving the hypocrisy of the poster.
I only hope no one actually takes you seriously, people like you can get others seriously hurt or even killed! Look, I'm not talking to you anymore! |
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And what happens to people that offend? Are they killed? No - they are sent to correctional institutes and jail where some effort is made to rehabilitate them. I know that some countries will execute (depending on offence), but the UK does not.
Breeding restrictions are readily put in place for dogs, cats, and other non-humans. Most rescues will spay and neuter before adopting out. A lot of owners are getting their non-rescues neutered too. Are such things done with humans? No! That is because humans think they are above everything else! I am more than happy for dogs to go to jail as long as they are removed from society as they pose a danger but who is going to pay for the upkeep and ongoing costs people like you reaching into your pockets I somehow doubt it. As for human prisoners I wont get into my opinion on that. However there are big differences in the communications we can conduct in humans to try and rehabilitate and understand the reasonings not so much with dogs which makes it difficult to guess if they are going to reoffend |
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And now you are seeing things that aren't there! Figures!
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As you don't believe in humans being able to churn out babies but want dogs and cats to be able to mate and produce litters as and when, difference being dogs can have up to 11 puppies, cats up to 7 or 8 and both of which can happen three or four times a year with no regulation - hardly a responsible thing to advocate being an animal lover.
I am more than happy for dogs to go to jail as long as they are removed from society as they pose a danger but who is going to pay for the upkeep and ongoing costs people like you reaching into your pockets I somehow doubt it. As for human prisoners I wont get into my opinion on that. However there are big differences in the communications we can conduct in humans to try and rehabilitate and understand the reasonings not so much with dogs which makes it difficult to guess if they are going to reoffend |
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Please tell me where I said that I do not believe in spaying and neutering non-humans. I am actually a firm believer in the responsible breeding of all species (especially mammalians).
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Breeding restrictions are readily put in place for dogs, cats, and other non-humans. Most rescues will spay and neuter before adopting out. A lot of owners are getting their non-rescues neutered too. Are such things done with humans? No! That is because humans think they are above everything else!
I should also ask if you have such strong beliefs that humans aren't superior why do you have a pet isn't that imposing your will onto him, youre not giving them free choice on what to eat where to go etc |
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So calling a grown adult a "juvenile" isn't name calling?
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Is this not what you implied here then, oh so when it suits you to be a superior human you can impose your will on animals and have them speyed and neutered
I should also ask if you have such strong beliefs that humans aren't superior why do you have a pet isn't that imposing your will onto him, youre not giving them free choice on what to eat where to go etc I did not even imply that non-humans should not be sterilized. Although there are cons to spaying and neutering. Such as increased risk/early onset of things like hip dysplasia and incontinence. What I did say was that it is perfectly okay to do such things to non-humans, but not to humans. That is both hypocrisy and arrogance. It should also be noted that responsible ownership means ensuring that your dog does not procreate. That does not necessarily mean spaying and neutering them. |
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Except I didn't say that did I! I said, your rhetoric et al suggests juvenile!
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I didn't think you were going to speak to me again.
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I'm wasn't planning on responding to your lunatic theories but on this occasion you stated that I did something that I didn't and that you would benefit a reality check! I think I was right!
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Lunatic theories? Care to PROVE that??
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So having a kid doesn't mean imposing restrictions? That parents don't control what their kids eat or where they go?
I did not even imply that non-humans should not be sterilized. Although there are cons to spaying and neutering. Such as increased risk/early onset of things like hip dysplasia and incontinence. What I did say was that it is perfectly okay to do such things to non-humans, but not to humans. That is both hypocrisy and arrogance. It should also be noted that responsible ownership means ensuring that your dog does not procreate. That does not necessarily mean spaying and neutering them. |
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Please tell me where I said that I do not believe in spaying and neutering non-humans. I am actually a firm believer in the responsible breeding of all species (especially mammalians).
Like I said......a fool with a key board. Everyone on this thread is telling you that you are wrong, nobody is agreeing with you (or if they are I've missed it), yet you still think our right! Amazing. |
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OP - are you still here???!!!! I'd be terribly surprised but I hope you don't mind me adding in some advice.
Someone mentioned and gave the link to finding a behaviourist with COAPE. This is a great idea. I also feel that finding out exactly what happened is important. Finally to the other posters on here, how can you claim to be dog lovers when you put bickering ahead of the dog in question and the OP's worry? OP if you are there still, can I recommend two sites I know of, Pet Forums which has a Dog Training section and Dog Pages, both are full of dog owners that use positive reinforcement methods and deplore that short american dog abuser Csear short ar$e. You should find some good advice on legals and behaviourists. I really urge you to ask on these and to talk seriously to your ex if you can about this as I think you are so correct, if could upset your children and whilst I hate to cast accusations I'd be wondering why they are taking a fragile dog to a pub? I'm sorry but that's just stupid and it's another example where the dog has been let down and made to fail by the owners. My motto for my dog is 'set up for success' and it's why we only go to quiet pub gardens and she is far far more important than beer. My dog has been lead aggressive and was going through teenage tantrums when I got her. I was tempted to take the easy way out and send her off to a boot camp in Wales. I didn't. Please do not do this with your dog for three good reasons. First, mixing with lots of dogs is called swamping, the dog could react badly. Second, can you be certain that the dog is being cared for properly - behaviourists are more advanced and specialised than trainers and a training camp could well take a lot of money and do nothing useful. Third, the training has to handed over to you and your ex and you have to follow through with all the advice. Two hours handover for 1 week's 'training' seems unbalanced. For every positive I read about these places, I found far more negatives. If you want intensive training then your best bet is to find a behaviourist (if you have insurance, and please do get it if you don't) then your vet can also recommend one and get some one to one lessons. I am pleased to report that Molly is now over her lead reactivity with professional help. It has taken us 10 months but that's a long haul and I don't think that's usual but if your ex is after a quick fix then she is as bad as the short American animal abuser. Also, can I just say that you're worried about the effects of the separation. You did not mention the dog. They will be too. |
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OP - are you still here???!!!! I'd be terribly surprised but I hope you don't mind me adding in some advice.
Someone mentioned and gave the link to finding a behaviourist with COAPE. This is a great idea. I also feel that finding out exactly what happened is important. Finally to the other posters on here, how can you claim to be dog lovers when you put bickering ahead of the dog in question and the OP's worry? OP if you are there still, can I recommend two sites I know of, Pet Forums which has a Dog Training section and Dog Pages, both are full of dog owners that use positive reinforcement methods and deplore that short american dog abuser Csear short ar$e. You should find some good advice on legals and behaviourists. I really urge you to ask on these and to talk seriously to your ex if you can about this as I think you are so correct, if could upset your children and whilst I hate to cast accusations I'd be wondering why they are taking a fragile dog to a pub? I'm sorry but that's just stupid and it's another example where the dog has been let down and made to fail by the owners. My motto for my dog is 'set up for success' and it's why we only go to quiet pub gardens and she is far far more important than beer. My dog has been lead aggressive and was going through teenage tantrums when I got her. I was tempted to take the easy way out and send her off to a boot camp in Wales. I didn't. Please do not do this with your dog for three good reasons. First, mixing with lots of dogs is called swamping, the dog could react badly. Second, can you be certain that the dog is being cared for properly - behaviourists are more advanced and specialised than trainers and a training camp could well take a lot of money and do nothing useful. Third, the training has to handed over to you and your ex and you have to follow through with all the advice. Two hours handover for 1 week's 'training' seems unbalanced. For every positive I read about these places, I found far more negatives. If you want intensive training then your best bet is to find a behaviourist (if you have insurance, and please do get it if you don't) then your vet can also recommend one and get some one to one lessons. I am pleased to report that Molly is now over her lead reactivity with professional help. It has taken us 10 months but that's a long haul and I don't think that's usual but if your ex is after a quick fix then she is as bad as the short American animal abuser. Also, can I just say that you're worried about the effects of the separation. You did not mention the dog. They will be too. As per my advice a few pages back op (which probably got lost) 1. Muzzle when out, this will probably be a permanent thing. Ht it's for the dogs own good. I'd also consider muzzling around the kids until the cause has been diagnosed. 2. A trip to the vets is first point of call whenever there is such a drastic change in behaviour 3. Get a decent behaviourist is (one that uses positive reinforcement techniques) if you pm me your location I may be able to advise on some good ones to try 4. Try to keep things as stable as possible, is he/she living in one home or moving back and forth with the kids? |
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Agreed, good post shadow.
As per my advice a few pages back op (which probably got lost) 1. Muzzle when out, this will probably be a permanent thing. Ht it's for the dogs own good. I'd also consider muzzling around the kids until the cause has been diagnosed. 2. A trip to the vets is first point of call whenever there is such a drastic change in behaviour 3. Get a decent behaviourist is (one that uses positive reinforcement techniques) if you pm me your location I may be able to advise on some good ones to try 4. Try to keep things as stable as possible, is he/she living in one home or moving back and forth with the kids? Shadow and you bazaar make some good points! However, while you suggest a soft muzzle, I think, under the circumstances, a cage muzzle is more appropriate! The cage muzzle will allow the dog to breath adequately and more importantly in this weather, pant! It is also good for feeding treats through during training! Also, while you suggest permanent muzzling with which I completely agree, I think permanent muzzling around children, particularly young children should also be permanent. Unfortunately, the dog can never be trusted again imo. I also agree that a behaviourist is a good idea but it is essential that a reputable one is found and I have no doubt that you bazaar can assist there! However, while a behaviourist is important I think equally, the dog needs to get back to a regular training environment asap as this will pay dividends in terms of behaviour and temperament! |
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,Mammalians' are not a species.
Like I said......a fool with a key board. Everyone on this thread is telling you that you are wrong, nobody is agreeing with you (or if they are I've missed it), yet you still think our right! Amazing. |
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How do you prove a negative? Its customary for those putting forward any theory to provide the proof of their findings so the ball is firmly in your court I'm afraid!
You are talking to me a lot considering you weren't going to do so again! |
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What garbage! You still haven't coughed up any evidence to prove that humans are more important have you? Either put up or shut up!
You are talking to me a lot considering you weren't going to do so again!
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