I watched it and thought the same thing. Pure kids shows should be on CBBC and CBeebies, there needs to be a hook for parents/adults that they see but the kids dont. Its harder for new shows starting out than ever these days, but I don't think the Beeb do themselves any favours. As it was, it was just second class Muppets. There is a show there Im sure, but if it doesn't grab at the start and make people stay there isnt much patience around.

Cheers for that, I didn't watch any tv on Saturday apart from Mo Farah, hopefully that got a great peak share.

The numbers have been out for around an hour now, yet the Twitter silence (from all corners to be fair) is deafening...

The athletics will be very important to the all-day share as it lasted over seven hours, up to the fringes of peaktime. I'm not convinced it will have averaged over 20%. The peak might have been good but long stretches would be rating nearer 10-15% I feel, what with the marathon, periods of no British interest, and whatnot. It could be a case of the athletics dragging down the day, rather than holding it up.

EDIT: PLUS...Breakfast, which usually averages a share in the mid-30s was consigned to the news channel and replaced with athletics on BBC One. So there were nearly eleven hours of athletics, out of twenty hours counted in the all-day share (06:00-26:00).

If only there was someone on here with access to the ratings - I've asked them for a free trial (again) but I've heard nothing back for almost a month... looks like there's only one thing to do.

it was announced as an early evening autumn show, so that was obviously the plan

that they brought it forward to early August meant it was obviously a stinker, I said as much weeks ago

Discuss the ratings for Eastenders ?

or

Discuss the future ratings of The X Factor ?

People have probably given up now and applied themselves to peak holiday time until XF starts given whats on offer.

Does this mean that Reflex has been moved to autumn?

NeilVW right. The lack of Breakfast would have brought the all day share down.

As for the Puppets I think it will inevitably flop partly because I don't think Family Entertainment Unless it's really really good work's in this day and age.

BBC One after this I think should just focus on Entertainment aimed purely at adults Like ITV do. I understand why the BBC try but with there LE department as it is they are never going to crack it. Focus on the adults and if they really want to appeal to kids as others have said 5.30 for half an hour is fine. After 6 the focus should be adult. That Puppet Gameshow did not suit the slot at all and it was not adult enough to be primetime. Teatime is dead really on Saturday.

Ken

OK; That Puppet Game Show 5.1 million
I Love My Country 3.6 million
The National Lottery: Break The Safe 2.9 million
Casualty 4.2 million

Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire 2.7 million


















Are these true or false? If you guess correctly you win a night out at the filming of the next series of I Love My Country!

All false!

Can I go on I Love My Country now!!!?

Ken

False. But you can have the prize for yourself.

Puppets might have started with 5m... (more likely 4m) I think it will have slid down to under 3m by the end.

Yes. Tickets on way.................oh, one slight problem. This is of course subject to recommission.............and the fact that I forgot to apply for tickets in the first place. Sorry!

I think that's extremely optimistic. More likely high 2m I reckon.

Ken

Had a peek at the first episode of the US version of The White Queen (it's available for free on the Starz website with a VPN).

If the BBC had shown this rather than their censored version, I think numbers would have held up, especially with red blooded male viewers!!

There are a number of problems. Given the show has been in the testing stages since 2009 with the Dick & Dom's The Clock is Ticking pilot and the Jake Humphrey pilot in 2011. You would've thought they would test the timing final as much as possible to show If there was a problem then to tweak the rules. There is the other side of the coin where it could have been fully tested but the eight pairs on the show have been rubbish on their timing, Obviously the contestants on last night's show don't read Bother's Bar as the pilot report that was published in August 2011 http://www.bothersbar.co.uk/?p=4217 did state nobody won it.

I do question Thames as although they had to record the whole timing final AND the reveal. Why didn't they simply re-record the reveal. They could obtain the original times from Beyond Dispute from the original recording and use those to adapt the rules we see on TV now. Unless I missed it, the article in The Mirror didn't state they had to replay the timing final rather than re-record the reveal. I am wondering if Beyond Dispute deleted/binned the results after each recordings. So they had to record both things but Beyond Dispute should also get the blame.

I would say the eight couples have been fortunate to be given a second chance and from what we saw in the first two shows.

1) One person timed it, the other was too early.
2) Both people timed it to secure the whole prize.

Simply I put it down to they had a right to moan but they were given a second chance after all. I do question Thames on how they approached this. There is also the possibility they might be the only pair in the original recording to get one of their timings right. The other fourteen people who played the timing final might have been too early and/or too late.

The unfortunate one involved is Nick Knowles. Although I do credit him as a good presenter. This is the second time in under three years he was involved with game show controversy. The first recorded series of Perfection in 2010 had to be scrapped half way through as the usual suspects could see a screen showing the questions and answers. That said, Perfection is now a staple on BBC One afternoons.

To avoid confusion. Perfection is produced by 12Yard who also produce the other two lottery shows, In It to Win It and Who Dares Wins. Break the Safe is produced by Thames.

My whole year has now been ruined!

Christ! I'm drowning in the sarcasm here!

Ken

Is there really that much sex/nudity in it?

Hunted was the same on Cinemax as it was on the BBC .

Can anyone recall what time the original Muppet Show was broadcast? I think it was screened at around 5.30 - aimed squarely at kids - but of course the adults quickly caught on. The guests were aimed at the adults as was some of the humour. Horrible Histories has done the same thing.

TPGS might do better at 5pm. Aim it at tinies and draw the grown ups in.

And remember in the old days Doctor who used to be on at 5.25 I think. So you could argue the same with that.

The Puppets was on way to late. I think their best bet next week would be to switch Pointless Celebrities and That Puppet gameshow around.

Ken

Yes. The scenes aren't longer, just shot twice. Once for BBC with clothing, sheets, hair etc. covering up, and then again for the US 'uncovered'.

Only 2.5million [16.2pct] watched That Puppet Game Show

Sunday teatime. Similar slot to The Golden Shot and Bullseye, so not a kids' slot as such.

2.5m (16.2%) for the Puppets? Can't say I'm very surprised. It's not the worst show I have seen but it shouldn't be in primetime.