By late November we'll all know exactly where X Factor stands so some clash with Doctor Who for one night isn't going to make any difference. If anything, such a massively hyped episode of Doctor Who would probably be the favourite to win such a clash, and indeed, would have done so a few years ago. If it doesn't then it'll show how Doctor Who has fallen since Smith/Moffat took over.

Also Samuel, what do you think of the BBC's decision to not show New Tricks on Autumn Sundays as you wanted them to? There isn't going to be much for them to dent on ITV on Tuesdays!

Speaking of The X Factor, some tweets and something in the show's forum on here suggests that it'll launch on Saturday 24th August. I think Stepping Out will then launch on the following week, the 31st.

It's the 17th August - the OP over there got his dates mixed up.

Is that early for the Xfactor or normal.

Who is acting "surprised" or "shocked"? We are merely commenting. Most people predicted it yesterday.

However I cannot remember the last time both Thursday episodes beat EE (again, if ever) and I certainly can't remember it being 700K ahead without a clash. That's quite an achievement and represents the strength of the show at the moment.

I thought you were their PR, so you actually do have a say? Thing is, only you would imagine what the ratings would be like as that's all you seem to care about. EDIT: You've gone on my ignore list.

Unlike The Voice, I can't expect ITV will run scared of the BBC and move to a Friday

It all depends on how the previous weeks of the live shows rate. If they rate well with, say, 11-12m, then a clash with Strictly shouldn't dent it too much as opposed to Doctor Who, as in that case the audience may well be split.

Even if X Factor does get dented by a million or two, if it recovers the next week or the Sunday results show, it's not exactly going to be the be all and end all then, is it?

Considering X Factor's ratings last year, I don't think many people are expecting it to be back on form this year. We can only say that when the live shows start, or it holds up well in the auditions.

It's too early to say what'll happen.

The OP is going on the fact the show will start after all the repeats of 'Best & Worst'. August 17th seems about right to me. I think they'll be looking at a finish date of December 15th perhaps, as December 8th looks a bit too early considering the show acts as sort of a lead-up to Xmas.

Are you sure? Someone on Twitter who was at the auditions also saying the 24th. Plus I think there are normally 5 Best and Worst episodes, so the fifth will air on ITV2 on the 19th, again suggesting the 24th. However they are showing the advert tonight, which would suggest the 17th unless they're giving it an unusually long 4 week advertising campaign (possible with it being the tenth anniversary).

We'll know on Tuesday/Wednesday if it is the 17th anyway as Xtra Factor Rewind will be on ITV2 on the 10th/11th if it is.

Any BB news?

Here's another interesting number they won't be reporting: Sky1's new series Greatest Little Britons pulled in 21k/0.1% at 10pm last night. It always looked like a flop, typical Stuart Murphy zany commission that one. Hawaii Five-O followed that with 9k/0.1%.

For a channel with it's position on the Sky EPG, that really is unacceptable.

Every edition of Crimewatch gets a big response from viewers and crooks get arrested as a result.It doesn't mean the viewers know the villains personally but even little bits of information or suspicions can help the police.

ED didn't win last thus EE did you may want to check that. Plus I was referring to you stating the gap. It's no surprise ED was that far ahead if anything it should have been bigger as it was a big storyline which also had a bit of publicity.

Blue Peter: 135k (1.1%) - they announced the 36th presenter during this show.

Wow that's low considering they where announcing a new presenter.

Unfortunately not, ratings on channels 3-5 are still for the full slot, according to Programme Search on Overnights.tv.

PhoneShop: 393k (2%)
Dara O'Brian's Science Club: 1.32m (6.9%)
Dynamo: Magician Impossible: 761k (3.7%)

The poster never said ED won last week? I'm more baffled about why you're getting so defensive, as it seems people are just happy for Emmerdale rather than slating EE.

Really? Makes me wonder what Emmerdale's ratings would have been tape-checked as both episodes would have finished 5 minutes early.

The poster actually did say that so check before accusing me of getting defensive.

Indeed, thank you.

As for IceDragon saying it should have been further ahead - for a show that doesn't often beat it (though more often now than it used to), is 700K not enough? That is fantastic for Emmerdale.

Can't really see it making that much of a big difference to be honest.

You did so re read your post. Plus that is a good figure for ED but for a bigger episode I was expecting it to be a little higher.

It would.

20:00 to 20:30 - 6.39m (32.9%)
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20:25 to 20:30 - ~4.00m (20.6%)

Which would mean a tape-checked rating of about 6.86m (35.3%). To say it wouldn't make a difference is absurd. Unless anyone has access to the ITV SD + HD breakdown from last night, we won't know.

Similar applies for the first episode, basically not being tape-checked is wiping 0.5m off the Emmerdale rating. Chances are it would have beaten EastEnders last Thursday and Friday being tape-checked as well.

If that is the case and the figures are not taped check which I think most probably are as DS is reporting them again now. Then yes it probably could be a little higher but it would stil be under 7mil which I was kind of expecting for this bigger episode.

It may have or may not have. Plus how do we no the figures aren't tapped checked.