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Old 30-07-2013, 18:29
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No sign of Father Figure, with Big School being paired with repeats of Mrs Brown's Boys, it has disappeared from the programme information for that week as well.

I hope both I Love My Country and That Puppet Game Show do well, they look relatively harmless like Splash and Your Face Sounds Familiar, although I imagine those who praised/criticised the latter who do the opposite for the former as we all know the shows have nothing to do with it, just the channels they're on. People say their Saturday schedule is stale but when they try new things like the puppets it gets written off before it's even aired.
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Old 30-07-2013, 18:29
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Indeed Emmedale beating EastEnders on a Monday in any circumstance would have been unheard of at one time.
Andy if you are so bothered by this why don't you go and discuss it over in the soap forums? This isn't the first time ED has won EE on a Monday so it's not really unheard of. Still fair do's to ED you can't take nothing away from it.
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Old 30-07-2013, 18:39
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Old 30-07-2013, 19:02
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I think he was just talking out of his backside (no offence) as he hasn't said what he means by that since I've asked.
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Old 30-07-2013, 19:05
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Poor..but still better then the back half of season 2 of Revenge.

That seemed to tank in the middle of season 2..... I wonder why..
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Old 30-07-2013, 19:09
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I do imagine around 600k incl +1 for the final ever episode of Skins next week.
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Old 30-07-2013, 19:42
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Adam Crozier on Itv losing the FA Cup rights:

"It's never been a secret that the FA Cup rights was something nice to have but not something we [Itv] particularly wanted to chase. In fact, we only got involved last time around due to some of the problems with Setanta. So we bid what we thought was appropriate for the FA Cup but it went elsewhere.

"But what we did get, and what was important for us, was the rights to the England friendlies. We'd already secured the rights to all the England competitive matches so we are now effectively the Home of England exclusively up to 2018. And of course we also have the tournaments which we share with the BBC. So I think we are in good shape on sport.

"Clearly there is a lot of noise about BT and Sky. By and large, what they are competing for are the pay rights as opposed to the free to air rights which we go for, so they are slightly different market places. I think for us it is less of an issue than Sky."
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Old 30-07-2013, 20:13
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Airing Run against episode 3 seemed to kill Skins. They'd have probably been better off running them over three weeks on Mondays and Tuesdays just to keep the momentum up a bit more.
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Old 30-07-2013, 20:20
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I wasn't expecting Emmerdale to beat EE last night. As someone else has mentioned. Emmerdale beating EE on a Monday night would have been unheard of and not even considered not so long ago, but its done it! LLF continues to perform brilliantly and the fact people are today trying to play down its success is really ridiculous. ITV get a solid hit and all that can be said, its only because nothing else is on.
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Old 30-07-2013, 20:27
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Adam Crozier on Itv losing the FA Cup rights:

"It's never been a secret that the FA Cup rights was something nice to have but not something we [Itv] particularly wanted to chase. In fact, we only got involved last time around due to some of the problems with Setanta. So we bid what we thought was appropriate for the FA Cup but it went elsewhere.

"But what we did get, and what was important for us, was the rights to the England friendlies. We'd already secured the rights to all the England competitive matches so we are now effectively the Home of England exclusively up to 2018. And of course we also have the tournaments which we share with the BBC. So I think we are in good shape on sport.

"Clearly there is a lot of noise about BT and Sky. By and large, what they are competing for are the pay rights as opposed to the free to air rights which we go for, so they are slightly different market places. I think for us it is less of an issue than Sky."
He's right. The BBC needed The FA Cup and I'm glad they have it, but holding onto England matches was an excellent move.
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Old 30-07-2013, 20:39
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Here's the demographics for the three main soaps for 23/7/12 and 22/7/13: http://postimg.org/image/jnlkehq83/full/
Fascinating stuff, thanks as always.

No major skew changes there worth noting, although unsurprisingly EastEnders has eradicated most in the 16-34 demographic, but still ahead of Emmerdale and Coronation Street.
Yes, quite a severe drop for EE there among young adults. In raw numbers:

Code:
Year    Child	16-34	35-44	45-54	55-64	65+	All
2012	0.613	1.83	1.05	1.34	1.1	1.657	7.59
2013	0.535	1.44	0.978	1.28	0.957	1.56	6.75
Change	-12.72%	-21.31%	-6.86%	-4.48%	-13.00%	-5.85%	-11.07%
Any explanations as to why the 16-34 drop is by far the worst, proportionally? Did the hot weather last week have anything to do with it, or is to something about the programme itself?
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Old 30-07-2013, 20:40
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LLF continues to perform brilliantly and the fact people are today trying to play down its success is really ridiculous. ITV get a solid hit and all that can be said, its only because nothing else is on.
There's only been one user who's done that.

I'm not sure if the slot & day change for Count Arthur Strong will help it much.
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Old 30-07-2013, 20:51
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There's only been one user who's done that.

I'm not sure if the slot & day change for Count Arthur Strong will help it much.
Not the slot that is the problem, Just not making people laugh like what a comedy supposed to do. To be honest it looks quite awful.
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Old 30-07-2013, 20:52
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And the Kavos doc, how would you defend that? Claims being made that not only was a "special prize" offered to members of the crew that found girls who were having unprotected sex on their holidays, but also people were paid to urinate in the street in order to secure footage for the show. Is that really what entertainment on 4 has come to ?
I wasn't talking about the Kavos show, never even heard of it *confused*
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Old 30-07-2013, 21:05
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Looks like a good line up there by BBC. Itv the best they can offer is a HP film repeat.
A repeated film, a new hour of drama and a comedy repeat! Sounds very similar to bbc1's prime time lineup last Saturday!
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Old 30-07-2013, 21:06
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The Muppets looks fun, but it's launching at tea time in high summer. I just don't think a standard LE gameshow featuring celebs but hosted by a muppet instead of a presenter will put many bums on seats, not in high summer. In the depths of winter before SCD maybe.
But if it was going to be on before Strictly they'd be showing it at about 5.30 or 6pm which in September and October hardly seems any better than at 7pm in August. They've got to put something on in August so trying out some new formats seems an obvious solution.

Yes - Chalk and Bonjour La Classe (Nigel Planer starred; it was pants) are what I'm thinking of.
That was in 1993! You can't seriously be writing off a new school-set sitcom based on two bad ones, last seen sixteen years ago. Especially when Bad Education, surely a better example to choose, was on less than a year ago and was a hit by BBC3's standards (a better reason for not doing it that Chalk, I would say).

There have been probably twenty times more unsuccessful sitcoms set in offices but you can't write that off as a setting, can you? Six months before The Office BBC1 did Office Gossip, a bloody awful sitcom with Pauline Quirke that died on its arse, so to apply that theory The Office should have been abandoned.

Not great. If the Beeb do a retrospective on BBC2 say on a Saturday evening, I dare say it will beat that. And be a better watch - it was a bit hastily cobbled together I thought.
Of course it was hastily compiled, he's just died. And the fact is the BBC haven't done it, nor do they now need to given this programme included clips from both his BBC and ITV programmes, and comments from his family. I don't know what else you need from an obituary or what any BBC one could now do better. They've decided showing his Journey of a Lifetime series again is enough, and that's fine. He did just as much for ITV anyway.

You only need to look at the line ups to see why. It's a constant diet of rubbish and repeats of rubbish. Plus the odd "landmark" Sky new programming like Mad Dogs or Stella, which nobody bothers to even try because it's on Sky1, the channel nobody bothers to watch.
The reason nobody watches the stuff on Sky One is because it's completely nondescript. They talk up their comedy and yet every single one they've done has been a light Gavin and Stacey-esque sitcom which is high on whimsy and low on jokes. The Cafe's on at the moment, what does that offer you can't get on a BBC2 sitcom? Mount Pleasant was mentioned before. I seriously can't remember which one that is. All their comedy shows are the same. There is nothing to convince people to bother searching them out. Same with their drama, they has Thorne which was doing nothing you couldn't see on BBC1 and ITV. And that Greatest Little Britons series that's getting absolutely nothing is just like everything on BBC3.

The problem with Sky, and it's always been the case, is that they're so busy trying to create an attitude and speak so much in generalisations that nobody knows what the hell it's about. You could see that when they made RISE, in all the publicity Sky never said a single thing about what actually was going to happen on the programme, and sure enough when it turned up nothing happened on it and nobody knew why they were supposed to watch it.

Same with Sky Atlantic, everyone assumed it would be imports and then they said it wasn't, but they didn't say what it was. All they do is just string a few buzzwords together about energy and quality. They don't know what the hell they're doing and nobody knows why they're supposed to be watching.

Which of these has regressed the most do we think? Sky1, MTV or Gold? These channels at their peak were must have in pay TV terms. How many would consider them must have now I wonder?
Well, Gold still seems to do alright for itself, even though I haven't a clue why people would want to pay for it to see stuff that was on BBC1 last week. Of course when it began and it used to show stuff like Carrott's Lib and The Innes Book of Records I used to salivate over the schedules in the Radio Times, and by the time I got multichannel that had all long gone. It's amazing that with a trillion channels there's not one that's like what UK Gold used to be but presumably it's simply not profitable.

Saturday Night is for family entertainment/comedy shows...

Not high profile cable drama's
Before the watershed Saturday night is for family entertainment but after ten o'clock I want adult programming, and if they weren't showing The Americans they'd only be showing a film anyway.

Wouldn't mind The One Show having a long Autumn and Winter break too. I miss variety on weeknights at 7pm on BBC1 and ITV. BBC1 are happy with TOS getting 3m against Emmerdale. I remember the days when Telly Addicts used to match or beat Emmerdale.

Endless soaps and factual clogging up primetime on BBC1 and ITV just bores me.
You wouldn't get entertainment at 7pm on BBC1 if The One Show wasn't there, you'd just get more light factual. And here's some schedules plucked at random from immediately before The One Show arrived full time, which hardly suggests a rich mix...

Week of 3rd-7th October 2005
BBC1, 7pm
MONDAY: Holidays at Home (can't even remember this, appears to be a show where people had staycations)
TUESDAY: Watchdog
WEDNESDAY: Road Rage School
THURSDAY: Hotel on Sea (docusoap)
FRIDAY: Departure Lounge (basically Top Gear but with holidays, an attempt to find a replacement for the ailing Holiday)

Week of 30th April-4th May 20078
BBC1, 7pm
MONDAY: Victoria's Empire (repeat of her series from the previous evening)
TUESDAY: Castaway (its enormously unsuccessful revival)
WEDNESDAY: Demolition (docusoap about, well, you can guess)
THURSDAY: Castaway again
FRIDAY: A Question of Sport

It's been years and years and years since you had anything like LE in the 7pm slot, by the end of the nineties it was just relentless Holiday and Watchdog spin-offs. Weekend Watchdog in particular ran for months on end and was absolutely bloody awful, a load of dumbed down rubbish I absolutely could not stand.

These days too people come home from work later, it's not like in the eighties when everyone was already sat in front of the telly by seven o'clock. Half the time I'm still doing the washing up. And back then we'd never get anything after ten whereas now we get loads of stuff there.

Intense media speculation suggests an announcement on BT Sport on Virgin Media is imminent. And that it may come bundled in with the XL package in the same way ESPN was.
I'm assuming this will be the case as BT have more to lose not being on Virgin than Virgin have not having BT. The amount of faff Virgin customers would have to go through to switch to BT is so extensive as to ensure virtually nobody will do it (I would need a new box, a new phoneline, new broadband and even a new mobile as I have it on a discount for getting the others), especially as it's not really offering much more than Setanta or ESPN had.

Well this is pretty big news: BBC Three will premiere ALL scripted comedy on BBC iPlayer seven days before the broadcast date. This isn't part of the already announced trial.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/lat...premieres.html

It'll make ratings discussion about these programmes pretty much null and void until BARB get their act together.
Don't think so, I think most people will stay wait until it comes on the telly if only because most people won't know what the shows are like to hunt them out, and they want the convenience. Everyone's forgotten it now but in the mid-noughties BBC3 did an experiment for a few months where on a Sunday they'd have another schedule on the red button so if you didn't like what they were showing you had another option, and Stuart Murphy, who was still in charge, said that he thought BBC3 viewers were less interested in watching scheduled content so they were just offering a choice. And that lasted about six months and was quietly forgotten.

No sign of Father Figure, with Big School being paired with repeats of Mrs Brown's Boys, it has disappeared from the programme information for that week as well.
Hmm, that is interesting, especially as Jason Byrne's already started plugging it, he was on 6 Music today.

"It's never been a secret that the FA Cup rights was something nice to have but not something we [Itv] particularly wanted to chase. In fact, we only got involved last time around due to some of the problems with Setanta. So we bid what we thought was appropriate for the FA Cup but it went elsewhere. "
I don't know what those problems are with Setanta because of course when they originally won them they did so when Setanta were chucking money at everything. It's true that they agreed to take on more matches when they went pop, and then extend the contract so it ran in parallel with ESPN, but they certainly wanted them at the start and Setanta were in rude health. But England is the bigger deal for them anyway, so they won't miss it.
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Old 30-07-2013, 21:07
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And the Kavos doc, how would you defend that? Claims being made that not only was a "special prize" offered to members of the crew that found girls who were having unprotected sex on their holidays, but also people were paid to urinate in the street in order to secure footage for the show. Is that really what entertainment on 4 has come to ?
I've been to Kavos before, and I had an incredible time, however, it doesn't surprise me about what I heard. It's one of those places where if someone tells a drunk person to do something, they will. There are hardly any police around there. I genuinely think it's safer over there than it is here in terms of crime, but in terms of "dirtiness" Kavos is on a whole other level. Even Magaluf was more clean than Kavos.
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Old 30-07-2013, 21:18
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What you mean like ITV trying something new ala, Splash, YFSF, and all other programmes they have had during Summer (however poor they are, excuding Splash and YFSF which are just a bit of fun)

You are a BBC fan though, you've admited it before now.
And whats wrong with being a BBC fan?
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Old 30-07-2013, 21:20
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And whats wrong with being a BBC fan?
Nothing, unless you act like a bbc fan praising every thing they do and then claim not to be one.

On these forums, you have posters such as robbiesykes (bbc fan), georges (itv fan) and dancc (ch5 fan). If you quizzed them on this, they would not deny it.
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Old 30-07-2013, 21:24
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And whats wrong with being a BBC fan?
Nothing whatsover, its makes the discussions more interesting on this thread.
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Old 30-07-2013, 21:26
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I've been to Kavos before, and I had an incredible time, however, it doesn't surprise me about what I heard. It's one of those places where if someone tells a drunk person to do something, they will. There are hardly any police around there. I genuinely think it's safer over there than it is here in terms of crime, but in terms of "dirtiness" Kavos is on a whole other level. Even Magaluf was more clean than Kavos.
I went to Kavos too. If channel 4 did pay punters to provide footage, I would be very surprised as everything I saw on ch4's documentary was pretty much there to be seen for free.

I don't think you could over-emphasise how dirty it was.
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Old 30-07-2013, 21:31
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Andy if you are so bothered by this why don't you go and discuss it over in the soap forums? This isn't the first time ED has won EE on a Monday so it's not really unheard of. Still fair do's to ED you can't take nothing away from it.
Why shouldn't it be discussed here? This is the ratings thread, where all ratings are discussed. If you don't like or don't have an interest in certain posts, why don't you just scroll past them? For example, I don't really have an interest in American or Australlian ratings so when they are posted here I'll scroll past them and not make a comment, because I know some people will be interested in American and Australlian ratings.
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Old 30-07-2013, 21:31
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You wouldn't get entertainment at 7pm on BBC1 if The One Show wasn't there, you'd just get more light factual. And here's some schedules plucked at random from immediately before The One Show arrived full time, which hardly suggests a rich mix...

Week of 3rd-7th October 2005
BBC1, 7pm
MONDAY: Holidays at Home (can't even remember this, appears to be a show where people had staycations)
TUESDAY: Watchdog
WEDNESDAY: Road Rage School
THURSDAY: Hotel on Sea (docusoap)
FRIDAY: Departure Lounge (basically Top Gear but with holidays, an attempt to find a replacement for the ailing Holiday)

Week of 30th April-4th May 20078
BBC1, 7pm
MONDAY: Victoria's Empire (repeat of her series from the previous evening)
TUESDAY: Castaway (its enormously unsuccessful revival)
WEDNESDAY: Demolition (docusoap about, well, you can guess)
THURSDAY: Castaway again
FRIDAY: A Question of Sport

It's been years and years and years since you had anything like LE in the 7pm slot, by the end of the nineties it was just relentless Holiday and Watchdog spin-offs. Weekend Watchdog in particular ran for months on end and was absolutely bloody awful, a load of dumbed down rubbish I absolutely could not stand..
That is all true of course, and if they were to go back to various commissions at 7pm they would never have the consistency of The One Show. You'd have the odd thing getting 6m, but you'd have a lot getting 2m too.

However, I've been disappointed with what they've done with this three week break, filling it with daytime stuff and repeats. There have been programmes in the past that have been stripped at 7pm and done really, really well - Trawlermen, Celebrity Masterchef and Big Cat Diary for example. So it's a shame they haven't used the break to do something like this. I'd quite like to see The One Show having a couple of breaks a year to have stripped new series. And if they're successful, they can perhaps be moved to 8pm. It's a good time to try something new out.

Saying that The Sheriffs Are Coming has done very decently indeed.
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Old 30-07-2013, 21:32
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C4 airing Southcliffe promos throughout CSI NY on 5 !
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Old 30-07-2013, 21:40
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That's because I have you on ignore when I'm logged in!
that's just rude George I thought we got on
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