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The Ratings Thread (Part 51)
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RobbieSykes123
31-07-2013
Interesting stats in today's Times, sorry if posted already, about where people get one or more of their daily "news sources" from. The top 10 sources are:

BBC1 news bulletins: 65%
ITV news bulletins: 37%
Sky News: 23%
BBC website/app: 23%
BBC News Channel: 22%
The Sun newspaper: 16%
BBC Radio 4: 14%
BBC Radio 2: 13%
Channel 4 news bulletins: 12%
BBC Radio 1: 10%

Shows the BBC's dominance of news, and confirms them as the most trusted news source by a country mile and a half.

Demonstrates why BBC1 and ITV1 are keen to clear schedules for rolling breaking news, though you could argue that the other way and say that so many people seem so reliant on bulletins on the main two channels that we should encourage them to break that over-reliance.

Interesting stats anyway for a thread all about them.
ronant
31-07-2013
Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“Interesting stats in today's Times, sorry if posted already, about where people get one or more of their daily "news sources" from. The top 10 sources are:

BBC1 news bulletins: 65%
ITV news bulletins: 37%
Sky News: 23%
BBC website/app: 23%
BBC News Channel: 22%
The Sun newspaper: 16%
BBC Radio 4: 14%
BBC Radio 2: 13%
Channel 4 news bulletins: 12%
BBC Radio 1: 10%

Shows the BBC's dominance of news, and confirms them as the most trusted news source by a country mile and a half.

Demonstrates why BBC1 and ITV1 are keen to clear schedules for rolling breaking news, though you could argue that the other way and say that so many people seem so reliant on bulletins on the main two channels that we should encourage them to break that over-reliance.

Interesting stats anyway for a thread all about them.”

I'm sure the Murdoch press/Daily Mail will be using these stats to say that the BBC is far too powerful and must be cut down. And the government will very probably buy that argument.

The fact is, we've all got a choice, the BBC isn't rammed down our throats. I could read The Sun online, listen to Heart, and watch ITV News. But I don't because I've chosen the BBC.

If commercial operators don't like it, they need to improve, not constantly trying to diminish the BBC. BBC News needs to stay as strong as it is - it's for the benefit of the country, and, in fact, the whole world.

Anyway - some of those stats seem a bit odd to me. Daily Mail online should be up there, and 12% of people watch Channel 4 News daily? We know that's not right. BBC News Channel has a daily reach of 6%, Sky News 3% (source: http://www.barb.co.uk/viewing/weekly...g-summary?_s=4). So actually, God only knows how they've worked out those figures. Makes no sense.
Ice dragon1
31-07-2013
Originally Posted by H of De Vil:
“EastEnders share was higher due to the fact the episode was broadcast 30min earlier than yesterday, thus boosting the share.

I wonder if Emmerdale can beat EE for the rest of the week, its quite possible.”

It will do as EE rates lower on thurs and especially Friday. I'd be more surprised if EE won it.
GeorgeS
31-07-2013
Originally Posted by ronant:
“The fact is, we've all got a choice, the BBC isn't rammed down our throats. I could read The Sun online, listen to Heart, and watch ITV News. But I don't because I've chosen the BBC.”

And I'm paying for you to freeload off me! Pay for your own news and dont send me the bill please.
ronant
31-07-2013
Originally Posted by GeorgeS:
“And I'm paying for you to freeload off me! Pay for your own news and dont send me the bill please.”

The BBC's for everyone's good George. Don't be selfish
RobbieSykes123
31-07-2013
He's a bit tetchy as he's pining for The One Show, ronant...

RobbieSykes123
31-07-2013
Originally Posted by ronant:
“So actually, God only knows how they've worked out those figures. Makes no sense.”

A Kantar Media survey of 2,600 adults on behalf of Ofcom, apparently.

And yes, it is indeed being used to beat up the BBC as you say.
Hassaan13
31-07-2013
How did Badults do on BBC3?
Georged123
31-07-2013
Originally Posted by Hassaan13:
“How did Badults do on BBC3?”

Badultly...
GeorgeS
31-07-2013
Originally Posted by ronant:
“The BBC's for everyone's good George. Don't be selfish ”

Moochers! I suppose you mummy still does your ironing too!
ronant
31-07-2013
Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“A Kantar Media survey of 2,600 adults on behalf of Ofcom, apparently.

And yes, it is indeed being used to beat up the BBC as you say.”

Hmm. Clearly people are saying they watch C4 News to make themselves look highbrow. A genuine survey then, but the results still seem a bit odd to me.

Originally Posted by GeorgeS:
“Moochers! I suppose you mummy still does your ironing too! ”

Eh? You've lost me George!
mlt11
31-07-2013
Originally Posted by ronant:
“Hmm. Clearly people are saying they watch C4 News to make themselves look highbrow. A genuine survey then, but the results still seem a bit odd to me.”

It's just like the survey where 50% of people said they were going to church over Christmas - when the actual figure is below 10%.

People give the answer that they think looks good.

The fact 12% say C4 News means 12% have heard of it and watch it maybe very, very occasionally - maybe once a month, if that.

How many people said they never watch TV news? I suspect not that many - because it wouldn't look good.
RobbieSykes123
31-07-2013
Originally Posted by ronant:
“Eh? You've lost me George!”

I believe "moochers", in the vernacular of da streetz, are those who constantly beg and cajole others to provide them with money or goods or services.

Bit rich from our resident ITVista-in-Chief - whenever I watch his channels, I am bombarded with a series of moochers every 20 minutes!

ronant
31-07-2013
Originally Posted by Hassaan13:
“How did Badults do on BBC3?”

Not very well - 293k/1.6% at 10pm, 272k/7.4% at 12.30am.

In other news there was an interesting Twitter discussion earlier between two TV drama writers and Dean Andrews, the actor, regarding Sky1's terrible ratings.

Spoiler
David Allison ‏@DavidHAllison 5h
Wow. Sky's ratings, man. There's a discussion. RT @TVRatingsUK: Also at 9pm last night Sky1's comedy drama Starlings drew 130k/0.6%.

Dean Andrews ‏@Deanoandrews 5h
@DavidHAllison it's great that drama is being made and that's a fantastic cast .... But 130k? Jeez that ain't good

David Allison ‏@DavidHAllison 5h
@Deanoandrews It's shocking. People are just not watching their homegrown content. Don't know why.

Dean Andrews ‏@Deanoandrews 5h
@DavidHAllison it's two fold 4 me mate. U don't get Sky1 free so only a minority have it & people still think BBC, itv and ch4 . If....

Dean Andrews ‏@Deanoandrews 5h
@DavidHAllison starlings was on BBC or itv it would get 3-4m but as it's not it won't cos it's 2 gentle for sky1. It's a beeb program really

Sally Abbott ‏@SallyAbbott3 5h
@DavidHAllison @tvratingsuk Blimey... That's quite shocking.

David Allison ‏@DavidHAllison 5h
@Deanoandrews V. true, but 40% of households have Sky, so that figure should be AT LEAST 10 times higher.

David Allison ‏@DavidHAllison 5h
@Deanoandrews Also, their figures, partic. for drama, are actually falling. Sky Living's overall share, for example, has plummeted.

David Allison ‏@DavidHAllison 5h
@SallyAbbott3 @TVRatingsUK Terrible, isn't it? Just having an interesting chat with @Deanoandrews about it.

Dean Andrews ‏@Deanoandrews 5h
@DavidHAllison @sallyabbott3 @tvratingsuk maybe it's as simple as people dont buy Sky for drama. Look at Mad dogs figs. 4 v popular actors..

Sally Abbott ‏@SallyAbbott3 5h
@DavidHAllison @deanoandrews Had a nosy! It does seem a bit cosy, not sure what the USP is. But then again, it's Sky 1 which I rarely watch.

Sally Abbott ‏@SallyAbbott3 5h
@DavidHAllison @deanoandrews It didn't feel very Sky but then what is Sky?

Dean Andrews ‏@Deanoandrews 5h
@DavidHAllison @sallyabbott3 @tvratingsuk getting audience figs way way below expectations. maybe people want drama from the usual channels

Dean Andrews ‏@Deanoandrews 5h
@SallyAbbott3 @davidhallison New tricks returns with 7.5m ..... Nuff said )

David Allison ‏@DavidHAllison 5h
@Deanoandrews @SallyAbbott3 Don't know about that. Plenty of multichannel drama gets watched - FX, SkyLiving, ITV2, BBC3.

David Allison ‏@DavidHAllison 5h
@Deanoandrews @SallyAbbott3 The worry is that Sky won't keep investing all that money on drama without an audience.

David Allison ‏@DavidHAllison 5h
@Deanoandrews @SallyAbbott3 Also, Dean, you're right that the death of terrestrial TV has been overstated e.g. Broadchurch (& New Tricks!).

Sally Abbott ‏@SallyAbbott3 5h
@Deanoandrews @davidhallison Reckon it's about trust (and Sky's cost) even Sky Atlantic's not that high. Didn't Madmen ratings plummet?

David Allison ‏@DavidHAllison 5h
@SallyAbbott3 @Deanoandrews Sky Atlantic's ratings are partic. bad. A risky strategy to spend £££ to attract upmarket viewers hasn't worked.

Dean Andrews ‏@Deanoandrews 5h
@DavidHAllison @sallyabbott3 it is a shame if they don't keep investing. Maybe they need to commission in line with their demographic?
AcerBen
31-07-2013
Originally Posted by ronant:
“I'm sure the Murdoch press/Daily Mail will be using these stats to say that the BBC is far too powerful and must be cut down. And the government will very probably buy that argument.

The fact is, we've all got a choice, the BBC isn't rammed down our throats. I could read The Sun online, listen to Heart, and watch ITV News. But I don't because I've chosen the BBC.

If commercial operators don't like it, they need to improve, not constantly trying to diminish the BBC. BBC News needs to stay as strong as it is - it's for the benefit of the country, and, in fact, the whole world.

Anyway - some of those stats seem a bit odd to me. Daily Mail online should be up there, and 12% of people watch Channel 4 News daily? We know that's not right. BBC News Channel has a daily reach of 6%, Sky News 3% (source: http://www.barb.co.uk/viewing/weekly...g-summary?_s=4). So actually, God only knows how they've worked out those figures. Makes no sense.”

It doesn't mean that people watch/read/listen all of the ones they ticked every single day. e.g. I like Channel 4 News but I probably only watch it about once a week or so, when there's a major news event I think they will cover well
mlt11
31-07-2013
Re the above there was an article on UK Polling Report re a survey where people unprompted are asked to name what stories they have seen in the news.

It's interesting just how low almost all the figures are - we know from BARB how many people do watch TV news (and of course people also get news from many other sources) and yet, unprompted, people can actually remember very, very little of what they have actually seen.

Or of course maybe people aren't actually paying much attention - so they "watch" a TV news programme, are counted by BARB, but really they haven't taken any serious notice of it.

See link:

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/6474
GeorgeS
31-07-2013
Anyways this is OT - unless this is the BBC promotion thread. If it is can we start a ratings thread.

The point on news, is that plurality is what the UK doesnt have, when the state runs so much of the news collection and broadcasting.
Hassaan13
31-07-2013
Originally Posted by ronant:
“Not very well - 293k/1.6% at 10pm, 272k/7.4% at 12.30am. ”

The main showing, not very good. However, the late night showing is similar to last week.
RobbieSykes123
31-07-2013
Originally Posted by GeorgeS:
“Anyways this is OT - unless this is the BBC promotion thread. If it is can we start a ratings thread.

The point on news, is that plurality is what the UK doesnt have, when the state runs so much of the news collection and broadcasting.”

The BBC is not "state-run", George!

I'm sure you well know that....

Even if the Queen has been known to appear in its studios, and Prince Charles present the weather.

Of course, our Prime Minister was once involved in running a UK TV network. Nothing to do with the Beeb though, was it...?
ronant
31-07-2013
Originally Posted by GeorgeS:
“Anyways this is OT - unless this is the BBC promotion thread. If it is can we start a ratings thread.

The point on news, is that plurality is what the UK doesnt have, when the state runs so much of the news collection and broadcasting.”

A few points

1. The UK does have plurality. The threat to it comes from Murdoch if anywhere.
2. The state doesn't run the BBC.
3. The BBC is entirely a victim of its own success. Far more people watch BBC News than other news sources, but there is plenty of choice. Damned if it does, damned if it doesn't.
Dancc
31-07-2013
Five scheduling update
*Family movie Open Season 2 premieres on Channel 5 on Sunday, August 11 at 5:30pm.
*Series 3 of Born to Kill? starts Tuesday, August 13 at 8pm.
RobbieSykes123
31-07-2013
Exactly ronant.

The reason the BBC website is so bleeding popular for folk in this country, second only to Google probably, is the fact it's so bleeding good! Not because the BBC abuses its position to lure people in and away from commercial offerings!
ftv
31-07-2013
The BBC is so dominant in local news not because it is state-run but because ITV gave up years ago and viewers vote with their remotes. The BBC is ahead in every region apart from UTV and Tyne Tees/Border.
jake lyle
31-07-2013
I expect GeorgeS will be trying to pin the blame for the 'News at When' saga on the BBC next...
Desperate stuff.
wizzywick
31-07-2013
Originally Posted by Roscoe Barnes:
“Emmerdale beat EastEnders again?!

Excellent return for New Tricks on BBC1. 7.5m in July is a terrific rating.

Channel 5 also had a very solid night.”

EastEnders is an interesting topic! For so long now people have complained that EE is about deaths, doom, misery and that storylines should be lighter so that viewers can relate to them. Yet now that the storylines are lighter it is the soaps that are full of death, doom and misery that people are tuning in to watch! There's irony for you.
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