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Old 22-07-2013, 15:29
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..ok..hope you can help here.. I expect a doddle for most of you but quite a procedure for me..

I have a laptop about 5 or 6 years old, Samsung, Windows Vista... that has run out of memory... it only had about 70gb to start with and I'm down to about 1gb.. I've done all I can to increase this, using disk clean up, removing unused programs etc.. but I've decided to get a new laptop instead with 500gb... meanwhile, because there's nothing else wrong with this one I want to upgrade it with a replacement internal HDD.. I've ordered one with 250gb capacity that was recommended to someone with the same laptop as me which I read on another forum... so I'm hoping it will be the right one and that I can fit it.. I've ordered some special tools, screwdrivers and an anti static wristband too.

what I want advice on is whether I'm doing this correctly and in the right order...
I intend to proceed as follows:

1. back up system files to extension drive [I bought one and have it connected, it has about 290gb spare]... I thought buying one of these would solve the problem but it didn't..next...
2. using heidi eraser I want to erase the disk before removing it... being a worrier I thought of 3 wipes although I've read that 1 will do...
not sure if I can work this eraser out but will have to try... I know there are instructions on youtube etc.
3. after using eraser I want to remove the old disk [and presumably hammer it or something... before disposing of... I mean do you just throw it in the bin?
4. assuming I've got this far I then need to insert the new HDD - I know I'll have trouble...
5. If I've managed this where do I go from here... do I 'format' this new drive.? if so why do I need to do that..? or can I just transfer over all the saved files from the extension drive as the new disk won't have any computer system on it... I've got the disks that came with this laptop, perhaps I should run those again.. but it was pre-installed with Vista..

if none of this works, or I'm unable to do it, I think I will have wasted only about 35 on the new drive. so I'm not too bothered, but I would like to give it a go... and use this one as a back up to my new one...

appreciate so much any advice you might be able to give...
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Old 22-07-2013, 15:46
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To be honest after reading the above I'd recommend finding a local reputable PC repair shop and get a quote for them to complete the work.
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Old 22-07-2013, 15:55
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Before going mental on the current hard buy a cheap usb caddy for a few quid and put the old drive into that as you can guarantee the moment you nuke the drive you'll remember theres something on there you needed and keep it for a month or two

But before you do anything else make sure you have burned the recovery disks as the new drive will not have any recovery partitions so you'll need a burned copy of windows and also any drivers that are needed.

Replacing 99% of laptops hard drives takes about 5-10 mins tops - just remember to remove the charger and the battery before hand and if you can use a screwdriver you will be fine and you don't really need a static wristband but make sure where ever it is connected to is properly earthed
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Old 22-07-2013, 16:00
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70gig drive seems unusually small for a 2007/8 computer ... seems like what a partition of a hard drive would be with another 50+gigs used for recovery in a D drive depending on initial setup?? & 250gig is small as well!

unless you are going for a solid state drive 500gig isn't very big either

anyway --- if recovery disks come with windows vista on them then things are relatively straight forward ... just copy personal files onto an external drive, remove old drive, insert new one (don't bother wiping old hdd, use a hammer etc once you are sure new drive performs OK OR use it as an external drive) then run windows disks .... then shift personal files over ....... anyone know if samsung supplied vista on cd/dvd back then?
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Old 22-07-2013, 16:23
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you are making a mountain out of a molehill.

just do this
1) put new drive in a USB caddy and connect to pc
2) download install and run easus partition manager and set it to copy your 70gb drive to the new drive, and set that process running. it might take half an hour or so. make sure you read the help and set it to boot from that drive
3) remove the old drive and put in the new one. put the old drive in the caddy
4) turn on pc and check it boots up and works. keep the old drive in a safe place as a backup

if you google "how to clone HDD" you should find instructions that are easy
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Old 22-07-2013, 21:03
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..thank you all very much for the advice and for taking the time and trouble... I wondered if I might be trying to do more than necessary...
..I shall get a usb caddy I think and go from there... thanks again...
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Old 22-07-2013, 22:59
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7unless you are going for a solid state drive 500gig isn't very big either
Depending on available space sometimes 1TB is the biggest available, I discovered this recently when upgrading my PS3s HDD,
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Old 23-07-2013, 08:19
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..thank you all very much for the advice and for taking the time and trouble... I wondered if I might be trying to do more than necessary...
..I shall get a usb caddy I think and go from there... thanks again...
Nobody has mentioned the type of HDD you need. Older laptops used IDE connections, all current ones use SATA and they are not interchangeable. As your laptop is "5 or 6 years old" you need to find out which was used and buy the correct type, regardless of size. Ditto for the USB caddy. Most replacement drives in Maplin, PC World, etc are now SATA regardless of whether they are laptop (2.5") or desktop (3.5").
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Old 23-07-2013, 10:02
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..thanks for your reply... I did wonder about that actually and now I think I've ordered the wrong parts...

in Device manager it says under 'disk drives':-
Samsung HM160HI ATA Device.

further down it says IDE ATA /ATAPI Controllers and details IDE Channels... I don't understand all this... but that's what I've found...

..oh well, if none of it works I shall just have to erase the disk..

or smash it up I suppose..
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Old 23-07-2013, 10:28
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Your drive is actually 160gb in size so probably has been formatted into 2-3 partions Operating system, data and recovery partition

just get someone to move your data over to the data partition and change the my documents etc settings to point at the data drive and you'll have ton's of space to play with
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Old 23-07-2013, 10:53
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if it's an IDE drive that's 160gb and you only see 70gb, it sounds like a lot of potentially usable space is going to waste. the easus partition manager will help you see what's going on there. you may have a recovery partition or it may be partitioned to allow you to store data on a seperate drive from your programs.
IF you did replace the drive with another suitable one, you can still put the old drive in an IDE 2.5" caddy and keep it as a backup or use it for portable storage, there is no need to destroy it. you could even wipe it and sell it on ebay. likewise you should be able to find replacement drives on ebay if required, usually second hand of course
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Old 23-07-2013, 10:54
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..oh thank you for your reply... I have a Samsung R60 plus, I think bought 5 or 6 years ago...

it says on 'Computer'
local disk 'C' 0.98gb free of 69.0gb [0% free]

local disk 'D' 60.3gb free of 69.9 gb [80% free]

everything seems to go on to disk 'C' although I now know how to transfer document files to disk 'D' - the same as I do to transfer files to 'expansion drive' but I didn't realise at the time that disk 'D' existed which is why I bought an external expansion drive, which I now think I didn't need really...

...but I don't know how to use disk drive 'D' for normal every day surfing and downloading etc... everything seems automatically to go on to disk 'C' and that's almost full up.. whilst disk 'D' remains with lots of space on it...

unique..
thanks for your reply too.. I 've just seen it after posting mine.. I shall certainly download the Easus programme and see what I can do with that, unless there's anything else meantime...
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Old 23-07-2013, 11:03
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Expansion drives (or external drives) are essential to backup your main drive. It's not wasted money. Everyone should have a method of doing this but many don't.

Use Easeus Todo Backup to make an Image Backup of your C: drive to the external drive.
It also allows you to make a boot CD.


Now you can fiddle with your Main Drive without worrying about losing your data.
I think Easeus Partition Manager/Master allows you to merge D: and C:.

I'd suggest that is the easiest solution.
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Old 23-07-2013, 11:29
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making a backup of your existing drive to your newly bought drive (in a caddy) would be a good start.

then you can use easus partition manager to increase the size of your C drive and shrink the D drive to the smallest size it will let you go. i presume what is on the D drive is some recovery data, so best to keep that there in case you need it.
you don't need to backup to change partition sizes, but if you mess things up then you won't lose anything. if you do a bit of a google you should find guides for doing it. it might take half an hour or so to change sizes as there might need to be data moved around on the disc to do this.
once you've done, i would suggest you run a disc scan (do this before you start the whole process too), and then defragment your C drive, as that may speed things up a bit
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Old 23-07-2013, 12:20
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..great help here thank you all very much... I'm making notes as I go along...

incidentally, I have another old desktop [an Advent - XP] that I want to erase everything on and dump... [I'm trying to downsize my pc's with another new one on the way]...

I've downloaded heidi eraser on that one, and do you think it's easy..? like everyone says? NO... 23 pages of help, do they think I've got time to read all that...I've no clue what to do with this... all I want to do is press one button that says 'delete everything on disk'.... even if it took 3 days... but it's all so complicated I think I'll give up on it... these things are supposed to be simple but they're not unless you're a techno wizard it seems to me...
..moan over.. sorry
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Old 23-07-2013, 12:37
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DBAN is often recommended here

http://www.google.co.uk/search?pws=0&gl=uk&q=dban+disk
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Old 23-07-2013, 12:51
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..I did look at Dban but I think you need to use a disk drive and both my disk drives on that p.c. are kaput... it seems you have to download it to a disk and run it from that and I can't do that... so that's why I chose eraser as it's downloadable...
thanks for your help though...
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Old 23-07-2013, 14:47
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..thanks for your reply... I did wonder about that actually and now I think I've ordered the wrong parts...

in Device manager it says under 'disk drives':-
Samsung HM160HI ATA Device.

further down it says IDE ATA /ATAPI Controllers and details IDE Channels... I don't understand all this... but that's what I've found...

..oh well, if none of it works I shall just have to erase the disk..

or smash it up I suppose..
looking up HM160HI it seems drive is SATA
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Old 23-07-2013, 15:12
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..oh is it. thanks....that's good as the new drive I've ordered is a SATA....
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Old 23-07-2013, 19:11
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Mrs Rivers - since you seem to have a 2nd almost empty partition, here's how to merge it with the main one to double your available disk space. Copy anything you need that's on the 2nd partition, eg to a usb pen drive, then -

go Control Panel, Administrative Tools, Computer Management, Disk Management.
Right click on the 2nd (empty) partition and click delete. Will now show as unallocated.
Right click on 1st (main) partition and click extend.
Follow on screen instructions and you should now have a larger single partition.

I hate to say this, but I don't think you needed to buy a new drive.
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Old 23-07-2013, 19:46
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Mr Dos !!!!!

...I don't know how to thank you... so much.... this has WORKED!!.... I now have 70gb free space... on Disk C...

it took me all of about 2 minutes....

...oh well, I learn something every day... I wonder if I can return my 40 worth of disk drives and other gumf I don't need...back to Amazon... probably not... put it down to experience...

once again... so many thanks...
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Old 23-07-2013, 19:51
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Mr Dos !!!!!

...I don't know how to thank you... so much.... this has WORKED!!.... I now have 70gb free space... on Disk C...

it took me all of about 2 minutes....

...oh well, I learn something every day... I wonder if I can return my 40 worth of disk drives and other gumf I don't need...back to Amazon... probably not... put it down to experience...

once again... so many thanks...
Ofcoarse you can, under distance selling regulations (DSR) you can return things you buy online for a full refund (as long as you do it within about 10 working days of receiving it).
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Old 23-07-2013, 19:52
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Mr Dos !!!!!

...I don't know how to thank you... so much.... this has WORKED!!.... I now have 70gb free space... on Disk C...

it took me all of about 2 minutes....

...oh well, I learn something every day... I wonder if I can return my 40 worth of disk drives and other gumf I don't need...back to Amazon... probably not... put it down to experience...

once again... so many thanks...
if you received it under 7 days ago you can return under the DSR if you have all the packaging etc
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Old 23-07-2013, 20:03
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Ofcoarse you can, under distance selling regulations (DSR) you can return things you buy online for a full refund (as long as you do it within about 10 working days of receiving it).
if you received it under 7 days ago you can return under the DSR if you have all the packaging etc
lol, which is it?
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Old 23-07-2013, 20:06
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...no problem guys... thanks very much for all your help... I've been onto Amazon and have been able to cancel all my orders as none had been dispatched yet...sorry I should have made that clear on my post that I hadn't actually received them yet... so that's good too...

appreciate all the help here from everyone...

and my new laptop arrived today too...so been busy with that... Windows 8 is a strange one...
cheers xx
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