Forum changes

The Sack · 23-07-2013, 09:31

Come on Mods do the decent thing please.

Clusterbombed · 23-07-2013, 12:13

Agreed. To get YouView news, you have to check Online Entertainment Services AND BT VIsion AND Terrestrial/Freeview AND Freeview+/Humax.

It's a bit of a mess.

David Waine · 23-07-2013, 12:14

Add my vote to that. There are nearly half a million of us now.

tony le mesmer · 23-07-2013, 12:17

I agree things need changing, too messy at the minute.

iiyama17 · 23-07-2013, 12:54

Agreed!

Phil Owens · 23-07-2013, 13:19

Second that..

The Sack · 23-07-2013, 17:33

there must be more YouView than TUTV users now.

millimole2001 · 23-07-2013, 18:36

The forums need a bit of a shake up - I wonder if most of the Freeview PVR sub forums could be merged. Then add new sub forums (?fora) for YouView and FreeTime. The BT Vision forum could maybe devoted purely to the Vision+ boxes?

psionic · 23-07-2013, 20:00

I'd welcome a separate YouView section.

Kal El · 23-07-2013, 21:12

Do it. Please

AKW · 24-07-2013, 05:19

Agree we need one

gomezz · 24-07-2013, 08:20

But where do you put it? it is not part of the Freeview platform with some catch up services added. It is not online entertainment with some broadcast channels added. It comes in at least three flavours (retail, BT and TalkTalk) and currently two different manufacturer's devices (Humax and Huawei).

Wherever it gets put many people will look in one of the existing sub-forums which they think seems more appropriate for their particular issue and start topics there. The only way to minimise that risk is to have it as a top level forum in the Digital Entertainment Services section.

iiyama17 · 24-07-2013, 09:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by gomezz

But where do you put it? it is not part of the Freeview platform with some catch up services added. It is not online entertainment with some broadcast channels added. It comes in at least three flavours (retail, BT and TalkTalk) and currently two different manufacturer's devices (Humax and Huawei).

Wherever it gets put many people will look in one of the existing sub-forums which they think seems more appropriate for their particular issue and start topics there. The only way to minimise that risk is to have it as a top level forum in the Digital Entertainment Services section.

IMHO it should be a sub-section under terrestrial as it is a platform brand name just like Freeview and Top-Up TV. Much like Sky and Freesat are located under satellite.

gomezz · 24-07-2013, 09:09

Of course the biggest current Youview related issue is the imminent launch of BT Sport. But that has spin-offs on other platforms too. So where would be best to have the main discussion topic for that?

TBH I am surpised there is no BT sub-forum in the Broadband Internet alongside Sky and Virgin. I can understand Virgin having its own forum but why Sky and not others?

smcbeath · 24-07-2013, 09:20

I agree, youview deserves its own section. Maybe it will launch on august 1st

not sure in what section though

David Waine · 25-07-2013, 06:57

Why not just stick it alongside the dedicated one for BT Vision?

barbeler · 25-07-2013, 09:54

Something that really annoys me is the YouView interface for the BBC iPlayer. I hate the way in which it automatically populates the top line before you've actually pressed a button. I always go straight to Categories and then when the categories pop up, I can never resist moving sideways instead of upwards, so that it takes you onto something completely different.

Perhaps a bit difficult to explain in words, but even after using it for a couple of weeks now, I still tend to do it.

d'@ve · 25-07-2013, 10:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by millimole2001

The forums need a bit of a shake up - I wonder if most of the Freeview PVR sub forums could be merged. Then add new sub forums (?fora) for YouView and FreeTime. The BT Vision forum could maybe devoted purely to the Vision+ boxes?

You can say that again! the DS Digital Entertainment Services section has been allowed to become way out of date and simply creating a new Youview forum won't solve the problem.

Someone mentioned nearly half a million subscribers, well the largest broadband company BT has 6 million subscribers and doesn't have its own broadband forum - while two smaller ones (Sky and Virgin Media) both do have dedicated broadband forums. Where's the logic in that?

Similarly, BT TV is tucked away as a sub-forum with an out-of-date name (BT Vision is only part of it) and is far from an "Online Entertainment Service" - it's a fully fledged TV service now and along with Talk Talk, accounts for the largest number of Youview boxes out there. Most of the BT TV discussion now takes place in Broadcasting in the guise of BT Sport!

The entire section (Digital Entertainment Services) needs a re-vamp as it's become a right old mess as it is. Where exactly Youview would fit in though, I'm not sure. Perhaps the root of the problem is the top level division between Broadband, Cable, Satellite, Terrestrial and Online Entertainment? There is so much overlap these days that a complete re-think is needed here, I think. The Cable section effectively contains only ONE operator - Virgin Media (Smallworld Cable forum contains NO posts in the last month). Why is it called Digital Entertainment Services anyway? Is there any non-digital entertainment service still going?

Time for DS to make some comment on all of this, methinks.

ecco66 · 25-07-2013, 11:21

Completely agree, it does need its own forum now

BMR · 25-07-2013, 11:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by smcbeath

I agree, youview deserves its own section. Maybe it will launch on august 1st

not sure in what section though

Terrestrial I would think?

DS Forum Support · 05-08-2013, 11:52

Hi all,

We've taken your feedback on board and agree it is time to look at how the Digital Entertainment Services forums are organised and have proposed the following changes. It would be extremely helpful to us to hear your thoughts on this before we made changes.

Quote:

Entertainment Services
Broadband Internet[LIST][*]Virgin Media Broadband[*]Sky Broadband[*]BT Broadband[*]Landline and VOIP Services (duplicated VOIP services forum is deleted)[/LIST]Cable & Satellite become one forum:[LIST][*]Virgin Media TV, Phone and V+ HD[*]Sky and Sky HD[*]BT (BT Vision forum merged into here)[*]TiVo[*]Freesat[*]Freesat+ Recorders[*]Technical[*]Non-platform specific TV[/LIST]Terrestrial [LIST][*]Freeview[*]Freeview+ Recorders[*]YouView[*]Top Up TV[*]Technical[/LIST]Online Entertainment Services

The biggest changes would be merging the HD forums into the general forums, adding BT forums as well as a YouView forum and removing a few desolate forums.

Please let us know your thoughts.

gomezz · 05-08-2013, 12:00

I think that still misses the link between Terrestrial and Online Entertainment that makes Youview a hybrid service. Perhaps a sticky in the Online Entertainment section directing people to use the Terrestrial (Freeview, Youview, TUTV etc) section?

DS Forum Support · 05-08-2013, 12:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by gomezz

I think that still misses the link between Terrestrial and Online Entertainment that makes Youview a hybrid service. Perhaps a sticky in the Online Entertainment section directing people to use the Terrestrial (Freeview, Youview, TUTV etc) section?

Yes, that list isn't including any forum redirects that would be included. Examples are links to the Virgin, BT and Sky Broadband forums in each of the provider general forums and as you rightly mention, a redirect to to the YouView forum in Online Entertainment Services.

hyperstarsponge · 05-08-2013, 12:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by DS Forum Support

Hi all,

We've taken your feedback on board and agree it is time to look at how the Digital Entertainment Services forums are organised and have proposed the following changes. It would be extremely helpful to us to hear your thoughts on this before we made changes.

The biggest changes would be merging the HD forums into the general forums, adding BT forums as well as a YouView forum and removing a few desolate forums.

Please let us know your thoughts.

Think Top Up TV might not be around much longer, Will wait and see what happens. But no one uses that service these days anyways.

Phil Owens · 05-08-2013, 12:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by hyperstarsponge

Think Top Up TV might not be around much longer, Will wait and see what happens. But no one uses that service these days anyways.

Agreed, Top up TV's days are numbered. Don't even see TUTV stuff for sale or advertised these days.

23-07-2013, 09:31	#1
The Sack Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: S6 1SW WTID UTO FTB Posts: 6,327	Forum changes Come on Mods do the decent thing please.

23-07-2013, 12:13	#2
Clusterbombed Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 207	Agreed. To get YouView news, you have to check Online Entertainment Services AND BT VIsion AND Terrestrial/Freeview AND Freeview+/Humax. It's a bit of a mess.

23-07-2013, 12:14	#3
David Waine Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: UK Posts: 2,270	Add my vote to that. There are nearly half a million of us now.

23-07-2013, 12:17	#4
tony le mesmer Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 802	I agree things need changing, too messy at the minute.

23-07-2013, 12:54	#5
iiyama17 Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Cheshire Posts: 625	Agreed!

23-07-2013, 13:19	#6
Phil Owens Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Wrexham Posts: 6,782	Second that..

23-07-2013, 17:33	#7
The Sack Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: S6 1SW WTID UTO FTB Posts: 6,327	there must be more YouView than TUTV users now.

23-07-2013, 18:36	#8
millimole2001 Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Leicester Posts: 331	The forums need a bit of a shake up - I wonder if most of the Freeview PVR sub forums could be merged. Then add new sub forums (?fora) for YouView and FreeTime. The BT Vision forum could maybe devoted purely to the Vision+ boxes?

23-07-2013, 20:00	#9
psionic Forum Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Crystal Palace TX Posts: 19,702	I'd welcome a separate YouView section.

23-07-2013, 21:12	#10
Kal El Forum Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Sunderland Posts: 102	Do it. Please

24-07-2013, 05:19	#11
AKW Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Honiton Devon Posts: 595	Agree we need one

24-07-2013, 08:20	#12
gomezz Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Buckingham Posts: 28,590	But where do you put it? it is not part of the Freeview platform with some catch up services added. It is not online entertainment with some broadcast channels added. It comes in at least three flavours (retail, BT and TalkTalk) and currently two different manufacturer's devices (Humax and Huawei). Wherever it gets put many people will look in one of the existing sub-forums which they think seems more appropriate for their particular issue and start topics there. The only way to minimise that risk is to have it as a top level forum in the Digital Entertainment Services section.

24-07-2013, 09:03	#13
iiyama17 Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Cheshire Posts: 625	Quote: Originally Posted by gomezz But where do you put it? it is not part of the Freeview platform with some catch up services added. It is not online entertainment with some broadcast channels added. It comes in at least three flavours (retail, BT and TalkTalk) and currently two different manufacturer's devices (Humax and Huawei). Wherever it gets put many people will look in one of the existing sub-forums which they think seems more appropriate for their particular issue and start topics there. The only way to minimise that risk is to have it as a top level forum in the Digital Entertainment Services section. IMHO it should be a sub-section under terrestrial as it is a platform brand name just like Freeview and Top-Up TV. Much like Sky and Freesat are located under satellite.

24-07-2013, 09:09	#14
gomezz Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Buckingham Posts: 28,590	Of course the biggest current Youview related issue is the imminent launch of BT Sport. But that has spin-offs on other platforms too. So where would be best to have the main discussion topic for that? TBH I am surpised there is no BT sub-forum in the Broadband Internet alongside Sky and Virgin. I can understand Virgin having its own forum but why Sky and not others?

24-07-2013, 09:20	#15
smcbeath Forum Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Scotland Posts: 2,247	I agree, youview deserves its own section. Maybe it will launch on august 1st not sure in what section though

25-07-2013, 06:57	#16
David Waine Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: UK Posts: 2,270	Why not just stick it alongside the dedicated one for BT Vision?

25-07-2013, 09:54	#17
barbeler Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 11,705	Something that really annoys me is the YouView interface for the BBC iPlayer. I hate the way in which it automatically populates the top line before you've actually pressed a button. I always go straight to Categories and then when the categories pop up, I can never resist moving sideways instead of upwards, so that it takes you onto something completely different. Perhaps a bit difficult to explain in words, but even after using it for a couple of weeks now, I still tend to do it.

25-07-2013, 10:18	#18
d'@ve Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Darn Sarf Posts: 28,743	Quote: Originally Posted by millimole2001 The forums need a bit of a shake up - I wonder if most of the Freeview PVR sub forums could be merged. Then add new sub forums (?fora) for YouView and FreeTime. The BT Vision forum could maybe devoted purely to the Vision+ boxes? You can say that again! the DS Digital Entertainment Services section has been allowed to become way out of date and simply creating a new Youview forum won't solve the problem. Someone mentioned nearly half a million subscribers, well the largest broadband company BT has 6 million subscribers and doesn't have its own broadband forum - while two smaller ones (Sky and Virgin Media) both do have dedicated broadband forums. Where's the logic in that? Similarly, BT TV is tucked away as a sub-forum with an out-of-date name (BT Vision is only part of it) and is far from an "Online Entertainment Service" - it's a fully fledged TV service now and along with Talk Talk, accounts for the largest number of Youview boxes out there. Most of the BT TV discussion now takes place in Broadcasting in the guise of BT Sport! The entire section (Digital Entertainment Services) needs a re-vamp as it's become a right old mess as it is. Where exactly Youview would fit in though, I'm not sure. Perhaps the root of the problem is the top level division between Broadband, Cable, Satellite, Terrestrial and Online Entertainment? There is so much overlap these days that a complete re-think is needed here, I think. The Cable section effectively contains only ONE operator - Virgin Media (Smallworld Cable forum contains NO posts in the last month). Why is it called Digital Entertainment Services anyway? Is there any non-digital entertainment service still going? Time for DS to make some comment on all of this, methinks.

25-07-2013, 11:21	#19
ecco66 Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: south east coast Posts: 15,717	Completely agree, it does need its own forum now

25-07-2013, 11:31	#20
BMR Guest Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,240	Quote: Originally Posted by smcbeath I agree, youview deserves its own section. Maybe it will launch on august 1st not sure in what section though Terrestrial I would think?

05-08-2013, 11:52	#21
DS Forum Support Forum Administrator Join Date: Feb 2000 Posts: 12,570	Hi all, We've taken your feedback on board and agree it is time to look at how the Digital Entertainment Services forums are organised and have proposed the following changes. It would be extremely helpful to us to hear your thoughts on this before we made changes. Quote: Entertainment Services Broadband Internet[LIST][]Virgin Media Broadband[]Sky Broadband[]BT Broadband[]Landline and VOIP Services (duplicated VOIP services forum is deleted)[/LIST]Cable & Satellite become one forum:[LIST][]Virgin Media TV, Phone and V+ HD[]Sky and Sky HD[]BT (BT Vision forum merged into here)[]TiVo[]Freesat[]Freesat+ Recorders[]Technical[]Non-platform specific TV[/LIST]Terrestrial [LIST][]Freeview[]Freeview+ Recorders[]YouView[]Top Up TV[]Technical[/LIST]Online Entertainment Services* The biggest changes would be merging the HD forums into the general forums, adding BT forums as well as a YouView forum and removing a few desolate forums. Please let us know your thoughts.

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05-08-2013, 12:00	#22
gomezz Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Buckingham Posts: 28,590	I think that still misses the link between Terrestrial and Online Entertainment that makes Youview a hybrid service. Perhaps a sticky in the Online Entertainment section directing people to use the Terrestrial (Freeview, Youview, TUTV etc) section?

05-08-2013, 12:07	#23
DS Forum Support Forum Administrator Join Date: Feb 2000 Posts: 12,570	Quote: Originally Posted by gomezz I think that still misses the link between Terrestrial and Online Entertainment that makes Youview a hybrid service. Perhaps a sticky in the Online Entertainment section directing people to use the Terrestrial (Freeview, Youview, TUTV etc) section? Yes, that list isn't including any forum redirects that would be included. Examples are links to the Virgin, BT and Sky Broadband forums in each of the provider general forums and as you rightly mention, a redirect to to the YouView forum in Online Entertainment Services.

05-08-2013, 12:16	#24
hyperstarsponge Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: North East Posts: 12,254	Quote: Originally Posted by DS Forum Support Hi all, We've taken your feedback on board and agree it is time to look at how the Digital Entertainment Services forums are organised and have proposed the following changes. It would be extremely helpful to us to hear your thoughts on this before we made changes. The biggest changes would be merging the HD forums into the general forums, adding BT forums as well as a YouView forum and removing a few desolate forums. Please let us know your thoughts. Think Top Up TV might not be around much longer, Will wait and see what happens. But no one uses that service these days anyways.

05-08-2013, 12:54	#25
Phil Owens Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Wrexham Posts: 6,782	Quote: Originally Posted by hyperstarsponge Think Top Up TV might not be around much longer, Will wait and see what happens. But no one uses that service these days anyways. Agreed, Top up TV's days are numbered. Don't even see TUTV stuff for sale or advertised these days.