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Old 23-07-2013, 21:42
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As if she thought she could just ask for a job without a CV.

Not liking this Agniezska. She seems very arrogant, argumentative, lazy and is unwilling to co-operate with her host.
The Polish woman is taking the piss I think ,,,,,she seems to understand more than what she is pretending to
I'm not a violent woman but I have an urge to punch the nasty bint
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Old 23-07-2013, 21:43
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I'm struggling to understand the pub landlord more than the Columbian guy
Me too
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Old 23-07-2013, 21:44
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Because we don't tend to go for the same reasons people come here.

We tend to emigrate for the sun or for a change, not to flee war etc
You'd think fleeing war would be a better reason than wanting a bit of warmth and should be respected more.
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Old 23-07-2013, 21:47
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Is Rick Parfitt living with the posh family.

Edit: No I think its the posh blokes wife
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Old 23-07-2013, 21:49
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The older Asian woman showing how it is done. Don't speak to them as if they are idiots.
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Old 23-07-2013, 21:49
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I think the Asian woman's mother should take over from her. The mother seems to gel with the Polish woman more than she does.
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Old 23-07-2013, 21:54
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aw the wee old Indian woman is so sweet
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Old 23-07-2013, 21:55
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I think the Asian woman's mother should take over from her. The mother seems to gel with the Polish woman more than she does.
It's hard to "gel" with someone when you tell them to bugger off out of the country.

Actually, it turned out to be a better program than I thought once it became more about building personal relationships than people trying to teach English.

As for the couple in the north east, getting someone to pronounce "liquorice allsorts" was slightly cruel - but they taught her Bingo, so she'll survive there.
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Old 23-07-2013, 22:00
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The older Asian woman showing how it is done. Don't speak to them as if they are idiots.
She has experienced what it's like to be an immigrant and it may be helping her to relate; though to be fair the older couple are also great and they haven't had that experience so may be the older Asian woman is just a nice person.
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Old 23-07-2013, 22:07
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The African woman is lovely and her story is sadly so typical of many people in her position; family, home, everything familiar to her wiped out. It amazes me when you talk to people who have been through hell like that and they can be so optimistic and ambitious for their family's future. Good luck to her.
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Old 23-07-2013, 22:28
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'Why don't you speak English?'

Why don't you go back to where you came from?!!
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Old 23-07-2013, 22:48
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I taught English as a foreign language for several years. Watching this show, I felt only sadness for these poor non-Enlgish speakers! The people (with the exception of the elderly Indian woman) trying to communicate with them were well-meaning but they were only confusing the poor students. It seemed like a good idea (the "total immersion" concept) but the students need a little help -- like being with someone who speaks clearly, simply, calmly, and consistently. And poor Fabian being subjected to that pub argument was so unfair to him!

I've also lived in four foreign countries and I know what these people are going through and how frustrating it is to not be able to express yourself. Channel 4 must have thought it would be good television to do it this way...... not effective learning.
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Old 23-07-2013, 23:29
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The African woman is lovely and her story is sadly so typical of many people in her position; family, home, everything familiar to her wiped out. It amazes me when you talk to people who have been through hell like that and they can be so optimistic and ambitious for their family's future. Good luck to her.
She was so lovely and so were her hosts. How heartwarming to see that they now feel committed to her.

Loved the Indian mum and I think the Polish girl would have learnt a lot given more time with her..

Poor Chinese girl didn't stand much chance with her hosts as welcoming as they were they didn't have a clue.
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Old 23-07-2013, 23:39
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I'm not sure what the point of this show is... is it to demonstrate that people who aren't language teachers are crap at teaching a language to adults?

I'm not sure if it's the English or the immigrants who are coming off looking worse.
This. I'm an EFL teacher and it's exhausting and demanding because it's not as simple as just 'talking to people'. My school places students with UK host families for the immersion benefits and they can be very helpful, but ultimately there is no substitute for the qualified teaching they're getting in the classroom, provided it comes from a native speaker teacher of course. The woman doing the miming is just comedy.
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Old 24-07-2013, 02:10
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You'd think fleeing war would be a better reason than wanting a bit of warmth and should be respected more.
If they're fleeing a war why do they have to leapfrog spain, Portugal, Italy, France, Luxembourg, Austria, Switzerland, Belgium, Holland and come to tiny, Crowded scruffy England.. I wonder
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Old 24-07-2013, 08:35
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She was so lovely and so were her hosts. How heartwarming to see that they now feel committed to her.

Loved the Indian mum and I think the Polish girl would have learnt a lot given more time with her..

Poor Chinese girl didn't stand much chance with her hosts as welcoming as they were they didn't have a clue.

I agree with you on all points.

It was a really interesting programme.
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Old 24-07-2013, 09:23
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What I couldn't understand is why the Polish girl is here.She is 19 ,has been in this country for 2 years, can't speak English , has never worked.
Are we paying her benefits and given her a flat?
She has family back in Poland.
If this is all true then she should be sent back to Poland , she seems very arrogant and not really interested in fitting in.

Unfortunately a lot of the English people and the learners seemed to think that talking non stop would result in being fluent.
I went to France as an au pair,the only way to learn was to attend college and to have a dictionary with me at all times , which I used continually.Within 5 months I understood everything and could speak freely with only occasionally using a dictionary.
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Old 24-07-2013, 09:29
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Documentary on Channel 4 tonight about trying to teach immigrants to speak the English language.

Anyone else watching?
They are happy to come over here and take the benefits and nhs but wont speak english?
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Old 24-07-2013, 09:54
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They are happy to come over here and take the benefits and nhs but wont speak english?
I agree ,no loyalty to our country at all , which in the end will destroy our culture, it's sad to have to live through our demise , instigated by our government and the EU.
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Old 24-07-2013, 10:02
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Interesting idea for a program but I can't see how putting these people who speak to them as if they were 2 year olds is going to teach them English
It will because their language capability has to be built up - when you start learning a language, you are at a lower level than a 2-year old who has at least been hearing the language (with much repetition) for two years before they really start speaking it - or mimicking rather.

Start with a very basic, structured introduction to words and sentence construction and build on that.

Because we don't tend to go for the same reasons people come here.

We tend to emigrate for the sun or for a change, not to flee war etc
Yeah... and Brits who move permanently abroad are still immigrants, not ex-pats. Ex-pat has undertones of a temporary, not permanent, move to another country often for work. Those who intend to move permanently and become tax resident, etc are immigrants. Though, as someone implied earlier, you don't often (ie, never) hear Polish people working in the UK referred to as ex-pats.

...but they taught her Bingo, so she'll survive there.
Bingo-type games are excellent for learning numbers randomly. It's all very well learning to chant one-two-three-four-five... etc but throw random numbers at someone - 49-55-20-88... and it's more challenging.
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Old 24-07-2013, 10:31
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What I couldn't understand is why the Polish girl is here.She is 19 ,has been in this country for 2 years, can't speak English , has never worked.
Are we paying her benefits and given her a flat?
She has family back in Poland.
If this is all true then she should be sent back to Poland , she seems very arrogant and not really interested in fitting in.
I didn't like the Polish girl either. I can see why the daughter gave up with her.

I think next week they change countries. Fabian seems to have no home/job or anything and looks like the landlord will be handing out cash to help him.
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Old 24-07-2013, 12:15
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If they're fleeing a war why do they have to leapfrog spain, Portugal, Italy, France, Luxembourg, Austria, Switzerland, Belgium, Holland and come to tiny, Crowded scruffy England.. I wonder
No need to learn our language when you can just get a free translator if you need to use public services such as the NHS, local authority, job centre etc.
You try getting a free translator in Spain/Italy/Portugal etc. They would laugh you out the door. And you would not be able to queue-jump as currently happens here...
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Old 25-07-2013, 09:33
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British TV doesn't seem to like Polish people. Tends to show them in a worst possible way. Most polish I know speak very good english and they fit in well.
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Old 25-07-2013, 09:56
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I watched this,and liked pub landlord`s line about Fabian`s progress--`He`s learning to speak English good`

Interesting programme,but I always find it hard to believe people do not speak a word of ..English? It`s surely up there as the world`s most spoken language. With English and American English in every movie,tv show,billboard,etc..someone (especially African or Polish) doesn`t speak not ONE word?!

But agree with people pointing people are arriving,getting accomodation etc..and don`t speak the language a couple of years on? They must see this place as paradise!
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Old 25-07-2013, 10:46
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Interesting programme,but I always find it hard to believe people do not speak a word of ..English? It`s surely up there as the world`s most spoken language.
Mandarin is the world's most spoken language. I don't suppose you know any?

English is interesting because there are more people who know English as a second language than people with English as a primary language.


Anyways.. there are 7 billion people on the planet.. only a tenth of them speak English.
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