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Old 22-08-2013, 14:50
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I don't have it in for him. I posted on page 15 of this thread about why I thought he completely missed the point of what his first ancestor went through. This relative was desperate, he had to feed his family, he had no work - so no income.
He had no education. The landowners and fat cats of that time exploited the poor. People starved in those days. That is why this man poached.

Gary thought it was amusing. He described him as a bit of a rogue. He even described it as comical, even after the dire situation poor people were in was explained to him. I gave up after that.
Maybe it improved with the second relative? Although other posters don't seem to think so. I didn't watch long enough to see the references to his playing days, although I don't know why they would even be included anyway. I always thought he seemed like a decent enough person, I am not a rabid football fan, so was not influenced in any way by his career.
I came away from what I saw thinking he lacked empathy, warmth and any understanding of the plight of those who went before him.
That's doing him something of a disservice.

When he was shown the death certificates of the two Pratt girls who lived less than a year he did reflect on the fact that it had been a bit comical up to that point but that that showed the serious backdrop as to what was leading to a life of poaching etc. His view of Pratt by then was of a decent chap, driven to the wrong side of the law by circumstance, that he had come to like/admire. Nothing wrong with that imo.
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Old 22-08-2013, 16:11
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You have to remember that these poaching offences were just the tip of an iceberg of simiar offences and in parochial Britain, as it was then, they knew it. Yes a dreary episode which would have been much better if they'd done short sections on more people to paint a broader picture.
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Old 22-08-2013, 16:35
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I'm another one who enjoyed it - interesting slices of contrasting social history - not the best ever, but I far preferred it to Lesley Sharpe's episode, which I found very uninvolving
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Old 22-08-2013, 18:19
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I enjoyed it - enthralled. I enjoyed how it illustrated social history: the lives of poor people and how desperate they became, the harsh sentences and how people were kept in line, high infant mortality etc. But heart warming too that Mr King helped another of Gary's ancestors.
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Old 22-08-2013, 18:36
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Far from it, the majority of pupils are on full scholarships from inner London state schools. The uniform is provided free and most are proud to wear it.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education...-the-fees.html
I felt sorry that the boy was only 8 when he was sent away to school, the same age as my grandson and I would hate for him to be sent away, I don't think he would cope.

As for the uniform, the Bluecoat school in Nottingham wore a similar uniform with Elizabethan ruff collars up to at least the 70s. I tried to get in there in the 60s but I went to the wrong church so they wouldn't have me.
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Old 22-08-2013, 20:06
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I'm another one who enjoyed it - interesting slices of contrasting social history - not the best ever, but I far preferred it to Lesley Sharpe's episode, which I found very uninvolving
Me too.

Fascinating social history - and those Kids had great uniforms.
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Old 22-08-2013, 21:17
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Well, according to Google the name Linekar - and numerous variations - dates to the Norman Conquest (the Norman side).

Might have been worth a mention ....
One of my books on surnames links it to LINACRE which derives from OE for 'flax field'.

There are often several possible origins of surnames, I tend to be suspicious of Norman origins as often someone trying to find noble origins of their family!
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Old 22-08-2013, 21:19
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You have to remember that these poaching offences were just the tip of an iceberg of simiar offences and in parochial Britain, as it was then, they knew it. Yes a dreary episode which would have been much better if they'd done short sections on more people to paint a broader picture.
Fifty or so years earlier and he would have been punished much more severely, possibly transported or hung.
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Old 22-08-2013, 21:21
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I felt sorry that the boy was only 8 when he was sent away to school, the same age as my grandson and I would hate for him to be sent away, I don't think he would cope.

As for the uniform, the Bluecoat school in Nottingham wore a similar uniform with Elizabethan ruff collars up to at least the 70s. I tried to get in there in the 60s but I went to the wrong church so they wouldn't have me.
He was lucky, in many areas he would have been working by then or soon afterwards, Girls could be sent away from home to work as maids in distant areas.
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Old 22-08-2013, 22:08
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The way they had to do that combined with the way they sent Lesley Sharp off to track someone who wasn't even a member of her family suggests maybe the programme is approaching the end of it's time.
I disagree with that. The programme skewed away from the usual familial stories and took a look at a very interesting social story for a change.
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Old 22-08-2013, 23:12
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Well - I enjoyed it!
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Old 22-08-2013, 23:22
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Errr....I really enjoyed tonight's offering....I suspect the researchers soon discovered there was no one standout family line to follow and so decided to go with the contrast and compare two family lines...and I thought it worked well because when push comes to shove it would't surprise me if this tale of survival on the bottom rung the ladder and making the most of our opportunities is typical of the majority of family histories...re Gary Lineker....God you guys are harsh
Gary Lineker makes me sick, and I am a Leicester fan but I quite enjoyed this funnily enough
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Old 22-08-2013, 23:24
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Unless the Hoare side is related to the Banking dynasty which would have produced comments on money staying with money
Is that the bloke that Princess Diana got stalkerish and obsessed with?
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Old 23-08-2013, 06:37
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Is that the bloke that Princess Diana got stalkerish and obsessed with?
Yes, I think he was part of that family
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Old 23-08-2013, 21:25
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This series has been very dull so far, I wonder if the BBC is trying to kill the programme off?
I've enjoyed all of them apart form Gary's which I'm just watching now on iPlayer (but not for much longer I think *yawn*) it's really dull.
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Old 28-08-2013, 21:21
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Blimey, Nick Hewer's Grandmother looks like the wicked witch from Wizard of Oz
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Old 28-08-2013, 21:22
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So, am I the only one watching tonight's episode with Nick Hewer
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Old 28-08-2013, 21:24
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So, am I the only one watching tonight's episode with Nick Hewer
No you're not. It is very interesting.
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Old 28-08-2013, 21:24
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So, am I the only one watching tonight's episode with Nick Hewer
Nope me too! And it's much more interesting than previous weeks!
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Old 28-08-2013, 21:26
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I love the faces he pulls when he's listening to people!
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Old 28-08-2013, 21:28
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I got a bit bored after 15 minutes tonight, maybe I should watch the repeat.
I'm still scarred from watching the Lineker one last week.
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Old 28-08-2013, 21:34
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I got a bit bored after 15 minutes tonight, maybe I should watch the repeat.
I'm still scarred from watching the Lineker one last week.
Ha-ha - know what you mean

I thought Nick's granddad Ossie had a lovely face - Nick, when he smiles, looks very like him
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Old 28-08-2013, 21:41
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Good to go so far back. I'm impressed how easily and quickly Nick was able to read that will, i found the writing quite tricky to make out.
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Old 28-08-2013, 21:41
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I like Nick Hewer and had high hopes for this, but it's not working. I've always been bored stiff by the sectarian politics of Ireland and can't be inspired to follow it.

Hewer is great though, getting down to the nitty gritty without the artificiality of so many others.
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Old 28-08-2013, 21:45
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Although I am of Irish descent nothing bores me more than Irish politics and especially the BBC version of it. I do like Nick Hewer but I quickly gave up!
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