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Old 19-09-2013, 12:40
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My opinion of the Marianne Faithfull episode is: get over yourself.

She blames her mother for not being able to have a physical relationship until her fifties. That's the most stupid thing that I've ever heard, the main subject of the programme was her mother and the dreadful circumstances that she found herself in because she was half Jewish. I could relate to her mother and I could empathise completely, but when that silly woman, Marianne, turned it all around by implying that it actually affected her too, that's when it turned on its head.

Faithfull has always been a non-personality, a singer without any talent and someone who always thought that she was a cut above. Last night, she proved that she was a big cut below.

Eva lived through hell, Marianne's hell was self induced. Eva's story was heart wrenching but was totally spoiled by her daughter turning it around by eluding that it had affected her, too. How could it have done so if she was truthful by saying that she had no idea what her mother had endured? She knew that her mother and grandmother had been raped by the Russians, she'd already been told, but why would this affect her as badly as she tried to make out? It's this bit that I just don't get. Can anyone explain?
It obviously had a knock on effect with her relationship with her mother.
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Old 19-09-2013, 12:59
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I too thought it tedious in the extreme and gave up at the 45 minute mark.

My goodness wasn't she great looking when young but dire now. In comparison Liz Hurley, who happens to be in the news today still looks like a teenager despite being 48.

I saw Liz Hurley in a pub in Basingstoke many years ago. I was a graduate with an establishing career in the booming industry of silicon chips.She was a stunning 18 year old in a punk dress but with no skills to speak of. Guess who became rich and famous within the space of just a few years!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...paid-cash.html
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Old 20-09-2013, 08:09
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During the programme she said Jagger and her loved each other but she left him.

At the end of the programme she said it was not till she was 50 in a relationship and in love that she didn't need drink or drugs before having sex.

Also, has she shrunk she looked small beside other people or is Mick Jagger short ?
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Old 20-09-2013, 08:21
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It was quite an emotional story but Marianne came across like a living embodiment of Patsy from Ab Fab.
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Old 21-09-2013, 14:52
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I would have thought Sacher-Masoch was not a common surname. Is that even going to be mentioned? Nothing ordinary about her ancestry.
I would like to have heard more about the Sacher-Masoch connection.
Not sure what others expect from the programme, an hour of someone looking at BMDs? They tend now to find or two interesting stories in the person's family and tonight's was certainly very interesting. Not the first time that the whole programme has concentrated on one aspect.

It was obvious where Marianne Faithful got her looks from when younger just a pity drink and drugs have ravaged both her looks and voice.
Having researched my own family, I too am disappointed that the concentration tends to be on only one set of ancestors. But as it is TV entertainment, I expect all the producer wants is an ancestor with a 'story'. Whereas I enjoy learning HOW the researchers find the information.
I found it very interesting especially about her mother's dance roles and the slow change on what became unacceptable, and then her grandmother's story. How many celebs can say their mother and grandmother survived the holocaust only to be raped by the Red Army?

Sacher is the name of the leading hotel in Vienna from where we get the divine sachertorte. I wonder if there's a connection. Also Masoch is, I think, the name we get masochist from?!!

I don't think you can ever tell the story of what happened in Germany and Austria too many times. There was some new info here, it was very dramatic and full marks to Marianne who remained serious and thoughtful about it as opposed to crying every 5 minutes. She has seen a lot of life.
Yes - that jumped out at me. Pity they didn't go in that direction.
Yup. Named after her maternal great great uncle Leopold von Sacher-Masoch
Oo-er, that would have made for some interesting investigation.
My opinion of the Marianne Faithfull episode is: get over yourself.

She blames her mother for not being able to have a physical relationship until her fifties. That's the most stupid thing that I've ever heard, the main subject of the programme was her mother and the dreadful circumstances that she found herself in because she was half Jewish. I could relate to her mother and I could empathise completely, but when that silly woman, Marianne, turned it all around by implying that it actually affected her too, that's when it turned on its head.

Faithfull has always been a non-personality, a singer without any talent and someone who always thought that she was a cut above. Last night, she proved that she was a big cut below.

Eva lived through hell, Marianne's hell was self induced. Eva's story was heart wrenching but was totally spoiled by her daughter turning it around by eluding that it had affected her, too. How could it have done so if she was truthful by saying that she had no idea what her mother had endured? She knew that her mother and grandmother had been raped by the Russians, she'd already been told, but why would this affect her as badly as she tried to make out? It's this bit that I just don't get. Can anyone explain?
Agree with all of this. I wasn't going to watch as I can't stand her, but I did find it interesting, but as you say, Marianne - get over yourself, stop blaming others for your own weaknesses.
During the programme she said Jagger and her loved each other but she left him.

At the end of the programme she said it was not till she was 50 in a relationship and in love that she didn't need drink or drugs before having sex.

Also, has she shrunk she looked small beside other people or is Mick Jagger short ?
When I met her in the early 60's, she was a waif-life creature, really tiny. Very pretty though - I found it hard to equate the way she looks today with the way she looked then.
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Old 21-09-2013, 16:32
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Yup. Named after her maternal great great uncle Leopold von Sacher-Masoch
I didn't know she was related. Thank you for posting!
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Old 21-09-2013, 17:10
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..... Having researched my own family, I too am disappointed that the concentration tends to be on only one set of ancestors. But as it is TV entertainment, I expect all the producer wants is an ancestor with a 'story'. Whereas I enjoy learning HOW the researchers find the information. .....
In the earlier series they got around that by having a follow-up programme (on another channel like BBC2 I think), this discussed how to do the research but I supposed it would get very repetitive to spend time on that every week.

They tend to direct people wanting to know more about how to do family history research to the magazine.
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Old 21-09-2013, 19:32
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Is it just me or have they changed the format slightly?

It seems they tell the persons story for far too ling at the beginning, and their story always seems to end up tying in with the discoveries they find later in the programme, almost as if the introduction interview is done last so the subject can find a way to make the discoveries relevant to their own "struggles".

It reminds me of an episode of some cheesy kids show where someone always says "i think we have all learned something today"

Also, what happened to the actual ancestry, actually going back as far as they can, rather than focusing on someone's mother.

It looks very much to me as if the subject already knows the history upfront, but then gets a veto as to what they want researched.

In short, this is less of the documentary it used to be, and now more a reality TV entertainment show.

I have seen a lot of the American version of this, and i have noticed that they also try to inject a bit more drama into it, rather than play it as a factual documentary.


By the way, both that Marianne woman and him off the apprentice were the worst episodes i had seen too date.
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Old 21-09-2013, 20:00
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When it showed the clip of her singing (when she was first discovered) I thought based on that she wouldn't pass an X Factor audition
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Old 25-09-2013, 21:17
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What is the point of this John Simpson episode when he has admitted that Sam Cody is no blood relation. A bit of indulgence for someone who has a very high opinion of himself?
He had a huge rant some years ago about his follow newsmen/women.... Now we have his second cousin... Very close relation ..... I think it's time this show was retired = very much z-listers this series, and the one person who could have been interesting IMO (John Simpson) is just there for a vague family trip... :yawn::yawn::yawn:
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Old 25-09-2013, 21:26
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John Simpson. This is not "who do you think you are"
This is a poor attempt at a reality show
Please bring back the real series where celebs find family trees
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Old 25-09-2013, 21:30
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John Simpson. This is not "who do you think you are"
This is a poor attempt at a reality show
Please bring back the real series where celebs find family trees
Exactly
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Old 25-09-2013, 21:30
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Must admit am finding this quite boring.
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Old 25-09-2013, 21:57
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Must admit am finding this quite boring.
It has got slightly more interesting towards the end, with all the lies....
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Old 25-09-2013, 23:03
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I thought it was an interesting programme even if Samuel Cody was not a blood relation, his Great Grandmother is obviously a blood relation so it was relevant.

It showed the complexity of his family and also that elements of stories in the family can be true.
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Old 25-09-2013, 23:23
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Is it just me or have they changed the format slightly?

It seems they tell the persons story for far too ling at the beginning, and their story always seems to end up tying in with the discoveries they find later in the programme, almost as if the introduction interview is done last so the subject can find a way to make the discoveries relevant to their own "struggles".

It reminds me of an episode of some cheesy kids show where someone always says "i think we have all learned something today"

Also, what happened to the actual ancestry, actually going back as far as they can, rather than focusing on someone's mother.

It looks very much to me as if the subject already knows the history upfront, but then gets a veto as to what they want researched.

In short, this is less of the documentary it used to be, and now more a reality TV entertainment show.

I have seen a lot of the American version of this, and i have noticed that they also try to inject a bit more drama into it, rather than play it as a factual documentary.
I don't know what it is but I don't like it as much. I don't even like the voiceover woman. I don't think it's the fact of something *changing*, it feels like quite a different show now
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Old 25-09-2013, 23:52
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Is it just me or have they changed the format slightly?

It seems they tell the persons story for far too ling at the beginning, and their story always seems to end up tying in with the discoveries they find later in the programme, almost as if the introduction interview is done last so the subject can find a way to make the discoveries relevant to their own "struggles"....
They certainly had an awful lot about Marianne Faithful herself last week - almost like a mini biopic. Strangely nothing about Mars Bars though....
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Old 25-09-2013, 23:54
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They seem to have stopped going back very far - budget constraints?

The most striking thing about the whole programme for me was that John Simpson was asked to choose between his mother and father at the very point of his mother leaving. What an appalling choice to have to make as a small child, and how it must have affected his life.
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Old 26-09-2013, 00:10
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Missed the first 8 minutes or so, but I enjoyed it.
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Old 26-09-2013, 01:41
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They seem to have stopped going back very far - budget constraints?

The most striking thing about the whole programme for me was that John Simpson was asked to choose between his mother and father at the very point of his mother leaving. What an appalling choice to have to make as a small child, and how it must have affected his life.
I just saw a Tweet from someone at the SoG, apparently John Simpson's was a genealogist so he knew a lot about side of the family.
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Old 27-09-2013, 16:36
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This series has lost it's way has it not. I wish it woud get back to its roots.
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Old 27-09-2013, 16:57
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You never see John Simpson wearing a hat - can't find one big enough I suppose

He comes across as an odious person
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Old 27-09-2013, 17:53
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This was the most boring season of wdytya ever.

Hope things improve next season. Maybe do a non celeb version if they're running out of people.
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Old 27-09-2013, 19:20
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Puzzled by all the negativity, I must have been watching a different series because I found all the programmes interesting in different ways.

I would like to see some of the early ones again after all the calls to return to its roots. One criticism seems to doing relatively recent stories. The first person on Who Do You Think You Are was Bill Oddie, its nine years ago but I thought a lot of the programme was about his mother's problems?

I think the earlier ones showed them getting their BMD certificates and had the follow up on how to do family history but it gets repetitive after a time and plenty of information available in books, magazine and online. Perhaps once a series they should do a short piece advising people how to start and where to got for advice but not really sure it is necessary.

The only other change seems to be that they are allowed to show graves, the original producer would not allow any to be shown from what I remember.
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Old 27-11-2013, 20:37
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There is a new series of 'Coming Home' starting BBC 1 Wales on Friday 19:30h. This is their equivalent of 'Who Do You Think You Are'. There are four programmes in the series.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0071nf4

For some inexplicable reason these never get shown on network television though I am sure they would get an audience.

1 John Rhys-Davies
2 Tanni Grey-Thompson
3 Shakin' Stevens
4 John Humphrys (on the 16th December)
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