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My opinion of the Marianne Faithfull episode is: get over yourself.
She blames her mother for not being able to have a physical relationship until her fifties. That's the most stupid thing that I've ever heard, the main subject of the programme was her mother and the dreadful circumstances that she found herself in because she was half Jewish. I could relate to her mother and I could empathise completely, but when that silly woman, Marianne, turned it all around by implying that it actually affected her too, that's when it turned on its head. Faithfull has always been a non-personality, a singer without any talent and someone who always thought that she was a cut above. Last night, she proved that she was a big cut below. Eva lived through hell, Marianne's hell was self induced. Eva's story was heart wrenching but was totally spoiled by her daughter turning it around by eluding that it had affected her, too. How could it have done so if she was truthful by saying that she had no idea what her mother had endured? She knew that her mother and grandmother had been raped by the Russians, she'd already been told, but why would this affect her as badly as she tried to make out? It's this bit that I just don't get. Can anyone explain? |
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I too thought it tedious in the extreme and gave up at the 45 minute mark.
My goodness wasn't she great looking when young but dire now. In comparison Liz Hurley, who happens to be in the news today still looks like a teenager despite being 48. I saw Liz Hurley in a pub in Basingstoke many years ago. I was a graduate with an establishing career in the booming industry of silicon chips.She was a stunning 18 year old in a punk dress but with no skills to speak of. Guess who became rich and famous within the space of just a few years! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...paid-cash.html |
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During the programme she said Jagger and her loved each other but she left him.
At the end of the programme she said it was not till she was 50 in a relationship and in love that she didn't need drink or drugs before having sex. Also, has she shrunk she looked small beside other people or is Mick Jagger short ? |
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It was quite an emotional story but Marianne came across like a living embodiment of Patsy from Ab Fab.
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I would have thought Sacher-Masoch was not a common surname. Is that even going to be mentioned? Nothing ordinary about her ancestry.
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Not sure what others expect from the programme, an hour of someone looking at BMDs? They tend now to find or two interesting stories in the person's family and tonight's was certainly very interesting. Not the first time that the whole programme has concentrated on one aspect.
It was obvious where Marianne Faithful got her looks from when younger just a pity drink and drugs have ravaged both her looks and voice. Quote:
I found it very interesting especially about her mother's dance roles and the slow change on what became unacceptable, and then her grandmother's story. How many celebs can say their mother and grandmother survived the holocaust only to be raped by the Red Army?
Sacher is the name of the leading hotel in Vienna from where we get the divine sachertorte. I wonder if there's a connection. Also Masoch is, I think, the name we get masochist from?!! I don't think you can ever tell the story of what happened in Germany and Austria too many times. There was some new info here, it was very dramatic and full marks to Marianne who remained serious and thoughtful about it as opposed to crying every 5 minutes. She has seen a lot of life. ![]() Quote:
Yup. Named after her maternal great great uncle Leopold von Sacher-Masoch
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My opinion of the Marianne Faithfull episode is: get over yourself.
She blames her mother for not being able to have a physical relationship until her fifties. That's the most stupid thing that I've ever heard, the main subject of the programme was her mother and the dreadful circumstances that she found herself in because she was half Jewish. I could relate to her mother and I could empathise completely, but when that silly woman, Marianne, turned it all around by implying that it actually affected her too, that's when it turned on its head. Faithfull has always been a non-personality, a singer without any talent and someone who always thought that she was a cut above. Last night, she proved that she was a big cut below. Eva lived through hell, Marianne's hell was self induced. Eva's story was heart wrenching but was totally spoiled by her daughter turning it around by eluding that it had affected her, too. How could it have done so if she was truthful by saying that she had no idea what her mother had endured? She knew that her mother and grandmother had been raped by the Russians, she'd already been told, but why would this affect her as badly as she tried to make out? It's this bit that I just don't get. Can anyone explain? Quote:
During the programme she said Jagger and her loved each other but she left him.
At the end of the programme she said it was not till she was 50 in a relationship and in love that she didn't need drink or drugs before having sex. Also, has she shrunk she looked small beside other people or is Mick Jagger short ? |
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Yup. Named after her maternal great great uncle Leopold von Sacher-Masoch
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..... Having researched my own family, I too am disappointed that the concentration tends to be on only one set of ancestors. But as it is TV entertainment, I expect all the producer wants is an ancestor with a 'story'. Whereas I enjoy learning HOW the researchers find the information. .....
They tend to direct people wanting to know more about how to do family history research to the magazine. |
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Is it just me or have they changed the format slightly?
It seems they tell the persons story for far too ling at the beginning, and their story always seems to end up tying in with the discoveries they find later in the programme, almost as if the introduction interview is done last so the subject can find a way to make the discoveries relevant to their own "struggles". It reminds me of an episode of some cheesy kids show where someone always says "i think we have all learned something today" Also, what happened to the actual ancestry, actually going back as far as they can, rather than focusing on someone's mother. It looks very much to me as if the subject already knows the history upfront, but then gets a veto as to what they want researched. In short, this is less of the documentary it used to be, and now more a reality TV entertainment show. I have seen a lot of the American version of this, and i have noticed that they also try to inject a bit more drama into it, rather than play it as a factual documentary. By the way, both that Marianne woman and him off the apprentice were the worst episodes i had seen too date. |
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When it showed the clip of her singing (when she was first discovered) I thought based on that she wouldn't pass an X Factor audition
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What is the point of this John Simpson episode when he has admitted that Sam Cody is no blood relation. A bit of indulgence for someone who has a very high opinion of himself?
He had a huge rant some years ago about his follow newsmen/women.... Now we have his second cousin... Very close relation ..... I think it's time this show was retired = very much z-listers this series, and the one person who could have been interesting IMO (John Simpson) is just there for a vague family trip... :yawn::yawn::yawn: |
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John Simpson. This is not "who do you think you are"
This is a poor attempt at a reality show Please bring back the real series where celebs find family trees |
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John Simpson. This is not "who do you think you are"
This is a poor attempt at a reality show Please bring back the real series where celebs find family trees
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Must admit am finding this quite boring.
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Must admit am finding this quite boring.
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I thought it was an interesting programme even if Samuel Cody was not a blood relation, his Great Grandmother is obviously a blood relation so it was relevant.
It showed the complexity of his family and also that elements of stories in the family can be true. |
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Is it just me or have they changed the format slightly?
It seems they tell the persons story for far too ling at the beginning, and their story always seems to end up tying in with the discoveries they find later in the programme, almost as if the introduction interview is done last so the subject can find a way to make the discoveries relevant to their own "struggles". It reminds me of an episode of some cheesy kids show where someone always says "i think we have all learned something today" Also, what happened to the actual ancestry, actually going back as far as they can, rather than focusing on someone's mother. It looks very much to me as if the subject already knows the history upfront, but then gets a veto as to what they want researched. In short, this is less of the documentary it used to be, and now more a reality TV entertainment show. I have seen a lot of the American version of this, and i have noticed that they also try to inject a bit more drama into it, rather than play it as a factual documentary.
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Is it just me or have they changed the format slightly?
It seems they tell the persons story for far too ling at the beginning, and their story always seems to end up tying in with the discoveries they find later in the programme, almost as if the introduction interview is done last so the subject can find a way to make the discoveries relevant to their own "struggles".... |
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They seem to have stopped going back very far - budget constraints?
The most striking thing about the whole programme for me was that John Simpson was asked to choose between his mother and father at the very point of his mother leaving. What an appalling choice to have to make as a small child, and how it must have affected his life. |
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Missed the first 8 minutes or so, but I enjoyed it.
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They seem to have stopped going back very far - budget constraints?
The most striking thing about the whole programme for me was that John Simpson was asked to choose between his mother and father at the very point of his mother leaving. What an appalling choice to have to make as a small child, and how it must have affected his life. |
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This series has lost it's way has it not. I wish it woud get back to its roots.
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You never see John Simpson wearing a hat - can't find one big enough I suppose
He comes across as an odious person |
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This was the most boring season of wdytya ever.
Hope things improve next season. Maybe do a non celeb version if they're running out of people. |
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Puzzled by all the negativity, I must have been watching a different series because I found all the programmes interesting in different ways.
I would like to see some of the early ones again after all the calls to return to its roots. One criticism seems to doing relatively recent stories. The first person on Who Do You Think You Are was Bill Oddie, its nine years ago but I thought a lot of the programme was about his mother's problems? I think the earlier ones showed them getting their BMD certificates and had the follow up on how to do family history but it gets repetitive after a time and plenty of information available in books, magazine and online. Perhaps once a series they should do a short piece advising people how to start and where to got for advice but not really sure it is necessary. The only other change seems to be that they are allowed to show graves, the original producer would not allow any to be shown from what I remember. |
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There is a new series of 'Coming Home' starting BBC 1 Wales on Friday 19:30h. This is their equivalent of 'Who Do You Think You Are'. There are four programmes in the series.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0071nf4 For some inexplicable reason these never get shown on network television though I am sure they would get an audience. 1 John Rhys-Davies 2 Tanni Grey-Thompson 3 Shakin' Stevens 4 John Humphrys (on the 16th December) |
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