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I had a Taid in Wales as well, named Jones. When I started researching the family tree I told my mother I wasn't doing her side of the family because it would be impossible. Luckily one of my Welsh relatives had already done the Jones side, so that save me a lot of work.
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#752 |
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Why the angry face
Should he rewrite his history so as not to make you angry. Moreover it's all true. It would probably serve you will to read up on it before dismissing it & showing your ignorance. Best to avoid subjects you have no knowledge of.From what I ascertain, the historians on the programme don't go in for altering a persons family ancestory / historty to appeal to the viewers. |
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I am a bit confused by some of the comments. There was nothing in the programme to suggest that she was unaware that Italy was an enemy country in WW2; it's just that she was unaware of the details of the internment camps on the isle of Man and elsewhere.
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Whenever we have anyone with Irish ancestry the story is always similar. I am fully aware of Irish history, but the English, Scots and Welsh peasants were also not treated any better by their aristocratic landlords, and famines existed in England too.
As for famines in England, Scotland and Wales, nothing comparable to the Irish situation...but being knowledgeable about Irish history you would know that, right.
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I am a bit confused by some of the comments. There was nothing in the programme to suggest that she was unaware that Italy was an enemy country in WW2; it's just that she was unaware of the details of the internment camps on the isle of Man and elsewhere.
But I've thought the same with other celebrities, surely some things crop up in everyday conversation when you are talking to older members of your family ? I think it's more likely that the celebrity has to "feign" surprise to make the programme more interesting for the viewer. |
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I don't think anyone is suggesting that she didn't know that Mussolini had formed an alliance with Hitler, it's just that many are surprised that she didn't appear to know about the internment camps. I would have thought it was fairly common knowledge for someone of her age with Italian ancestry.
But I've thought the same with other celebrities, surely some things crop up in everyday conversation when you are talking to older members of your family ? I think it's more likely that the celebrity has to "feign" surprise to make the programme more interesting for the viewer. |
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I am a bit confused by some of the comments. There was nothing in the programme to suggest that she was unaware that Italy was an enemy country in WW2; it's just that she was unaware of the details of the internment camps on the isle of Man and elsewhere.
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Well imagine that, would that be because their Irish ancestory took in the famine years and therefore is part of their history. Sorry but you don't seem to comprehend the concept of the show, the past cannot be reqritten to make it more entertaining for the viewer.
As for famines in England, Scotland and Wales, nothing comparable to the Irish situation...but being knowledgeable about Irish history you would know that, right. ![]() |
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When Tamzin went to see her Grandmother and Grandma produced a copy of Tamzins Great Grandads birth certificate, the certificate is dated 19th June 2013, presumably when the research was carried out, the certificate must have then been presented to Tamzins Grandmother ready to show Tamzin!
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When Tamzin went to see her Grandmother and Grandma produced a copy of Tamzins Great Grandads birth certificate, the certificate is dated 19th June 2013, presumably when the research was carried out, the certificate must have then been presented to Tamzins Grandmother ready to show Tamzin!
The people featured do have to give the BBC clearance, it doesn't come out of the blue for them or family members. I wouldn't be surprised if they gave them a nice dossier of their research and the family tree all nicely produced too. |
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Whenever we have anyone with Irish ancestry the story is always similar. I am fully aware of Irish history, but the English, Scots and Welsh peasants were also not treated any better by their aristocratic landlords, and famines existed in England too.
The population of Ireland in 1841 was 8m dropping to 5m in 1901, meaning the 19th century was a quite catastrophic period in it's history (when it was supposed to be an integral part of the UK). |
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Errm yes, I wouldn't think anyone would be surprised that the BBC and their researchers might obtain copies of some documents, if the family didn't have them or the condition wasn't good enough to be used on camera.
The people featured do have to give the BBC clearance, it doesn't come out of the blue for them or family members. I wouldn't be surprised if they gave them a nice dossier of their research and the family tree all nicely produced too. I am fairly certain WDYTYA researchers start by looking in to the records of certain 'celebs', just general family tree research and then research each family member (looking at criminal/army and other records) If they uncover what they believe could be an interesting history they then approach the 'celeb' with what they have found, from there the actual programme you see is constructed. |
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Errm yes, I wouldn't think anyone would be surprised that the BBC and their researchers might obtain copies of some documents, if the family didn't have them or the condition wasn't good enough to be used on camera.
The people featured do have to give the BBC clearance, it doesn't come out of the blue for them or family members. I wouldn't be surprised if they gave them a nice dossier of their research and the family tree all nicely produced too. |
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I liked tonight's one.
I cannot abide Mrs Brown; not at any price, but I thought Brendan O'Carroll came across really well. Seems like a lovely man. And he actually listened when he was being told things - which a lot of these celebs seem to find nigh on impossible - and it was a pretty interesting tale. |
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Fascinating stuff.
I don't usually enjoy so much when they concentrate on one person, but that was gripping. And how evil did Hardy look in that photo! Such cold eyes. |
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I'm afraid I found tonight's programme thoroughly tedious. It gave the impression that the British were the " baddies" while the IRA were angels. Sadly, there was as much violence on both sides and, of course, the IRA carried that violence forward for many years after the 1920s.
How many more programmes must we have about Ireland and it's hardship? Surely the BBC can find more interesting people than O'Carroll! |
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I'm afraid I found tonight's programme thoroughly tedious. It gave the impression that the British were the " baddies" while the IRA were angels. Sadly, there was as much violence on both sides and, of course, the IRA carried that violence forward for many years after the 1920s.
How many more programmes must we have about Ireland and it's hardship? Surely the BBC can find more interesting people than O'Carroll! |
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Great episode!
I note that Jocelyn Hardy has had a Wikipedia page since 2012. It was updated earlier this evening, one minute before the show was broadcast. It now includes a reference to the murder of Peter O'Carroll. I suspect Brendan, or one of his family, must have updated the page. |
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I'm afraid I found tonight's programme thoroughly tedious. It gave the impression that the British were the " baddies" while the IRA were angels. Sadly, there was as much violence on both sides and, of course, the IRA carried that violence forward for many years after the 1920s.
How many more programmes must we have about Ireland and it's hardship? Surely the BBC can find more interesting people than O'Carroll! like you, perhaps? |
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Anyone know if this will be shown on RTE ?
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The Black & Tans were indeed 'baddies' as you put it. You might want to read up on them, it's really quite fascinating.
So people can stop with the revisionist jingoistic views of this period of time. |
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I didn't think it was really a WDYTYA episode but it was an interesting programme in it's own right nonetheless. It's true that there have been several episodes on the subject of Ireland but I think this one was justified by it's uniqueness.
I hope next week we can go back to tracing the subject's family tree beyond the people they already know because I tend to enjoy those more. |
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I didn't think it was really a WDYTYA episode but it was an interesting programme in it's own right nonetheless. It's true that there have been several episodes on the subject of Ireland but I think this one was justified by it's uniqueness.
I hope next week we can go back to tracing the subject's family tree beyond the people they already know because I tend to enjoy those more. |
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I didn't think it was really a WDYTYA episode but it was an interesting programme in it's own right nonetheless. It's true that there have been several episodes on the subject of Ireland but I think this one was justified by it's uniqueness.
I hope next week we can go back to tracing the subject's family tree beyond the people they already know because I tend to enjoy those more. Im struggling to find this series interesting. |
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Tonight's episode was definitely the best episode of this series by a long way. Fascinating story and I'm glad that Brendan got to a conclusion.
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Should he rewrite his history so as not to make you angry. Moreover it's all true. It would probably serve you will to read up on it before dismissing it & showing your ignorance. Best to avoid subjects you have no knowledge of.