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Originally posted by soulboy77: I agree it didn't seem like an episode of WDYTYA. Why on earth was the BBC featuring the history of a foreigner, surely there are more worthy and interesting Brits to cover?
Though the story was interesting this didn't feel like an episode of WDYTYA at all. |
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The Grandfather was not quite as innocent as portrayed, he was a member of the IRB and supplying arms.
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I agree it didn't seem like an episode of WDYTYA. Why on earth was the BBC featuring the history of a foreigner, surely there are more worthy and interesting Brits to cover?
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I never suggested they weren't but the programme conveniently overlooked (deliberately?) that the terrorist IRA were equally bad. Throughout the programme the British were referred to as the Occupying Force, they were not, Ireland was British. Let's not revise history for our own convenience.
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The Grandfather was not quite as innocent as portrayed, he was a member of the IRB and supplying arms.
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Tedious. This series has been the worst ever. Are they cutting costs focusing on just one ancestor?
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The Grandfather was not quite as innocent as portrayed, he was a member of the IRB and supplying arms.
The Sinn Fein and IRA of later years had absolutely nothing to do with the people of 1919-21, they simply stole the name. |
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Totally agree, I have watched every episode from all the other series but really haven't enjoyed this one at all. I have been watching the old one's on Watch and much better when they can trace back both sets of ancestors. I think part of the problem this time is the people they have chosen, hopefully we will get a few interesting one's.
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Yes, but the IRA were a legitimate guerilla army with the full support of the Irish population. Sinn Fein won a landslide majority in Ireland in the 1918 British General Election and the IRA were their military wing......an armed militia in full military uniform with ranks and everything.
The Sinn Fein and IRA of later years had absolutely nothing to do with the people of 1919-21, they simply stole the name. |
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I'm afraid I found tonight's programme thoroughly tedious. It gave the impression that the British were the " baddies" while the IRA were angels. Sadly, there was as much violence on both sides and, of course, the IRA carried that violence forward for many years after the 1920s.
How many more programmes must we have about Ireland and it's hardship? Surely the BBC can find more interesting people than O'Carroll! Also I loved the Graham Norton one on many levels. On the one hand I had no clue that he came from a Protestant background and then that his family came from Yorkshire (?) originally. I, like Graham, would have assumed they were Scottish originally. That episode is a fav and is exactly what you were after - a different angle - and a fascinating episode. Edit: Thank you - has made me do a wee Google search and sitting down for an hour. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXyRMtwSZ_M
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Yes, but the IRA were a legitimate guerilla army with the full support of the Irish population. Sinn Fein won a landslide majority in Ireland in the 1918 British General Election and the IRA were their military wing......an armed militia in full military uniform with ranks and everything.
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Full support? I would think those in Ulster, at least, would take issue with that statement!
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I love the series but I was disappointed in this as it was simply about the murder of one person and not really in keeping with the search through a family tree the show is supposed to be about.
Did I miss something or did they never say what happened to Hardy in the end? That annoyed me, surely they must have known how old he lived to be and the circumstances at the end of his life. |
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I too was surprised they didn't at least tell us to what age Hardy lived. I am sure O'Carroll must have asked. There is a Wikipedia page for Hardy though which tells us. Interesting to find out he could include Sir Arthur Conan Doyle amongst his friends.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jocelyn_Lee_Hardy |
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Full support? I would think those in Ulster, at least, would take issue with that statement!
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I'll have to put my hands up and admit that she never explicitly says she was unaware. It's about 9 minutes into the programme when she's talking to granny about her great grandad. The expression of confusion and shock she puts on when granny first starts talking about WWII led me to believe she was unaware that Italy was even on the other side. Mulling it over I'm now wondering whether she was just practicing her 'outrage at poor loyal grandad being interned' look a little too early. That's the trouble with actors, never sure when they are acting!
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And quite a few in Southern Ireland even if they did get a majority in the election.
Prior to 1914 of course the peaceful Irish Home Rule Party were the dominant one, but WW1 and the execution of the 1916 Rising leaders changed everything. |
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Hoppy Joyce was a paid assassin and torturer, he killed many Irishmen in upholding British Rule , Churchill sated that "he was an most unimpressive individual" mainly because he was an ardent supporter of Oswald Mosley fascist movement in the UK and Joyce was interned along with Mosley.
In the end the KIng and Country which he murdered for locked him up without trial for associating with Mosley which really says it all, as it was he who murdered in Dublin as judge jury and executioner. |
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... If someone can put me right please do so as it really gets to me that so few have done this.
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They won 73 seats out of 79 in what is now the Republic. Sinn Fein were a revolutionary movement with an armed militia so it does appear the War of Independence was fully supported by the (nationalist) Irish population.
Prior to 1914 of course the peaceful Irish Home Rule Party were the dominant one, but WW1 and the execution of the 1916 Rising leaders changed everything. |
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Replying to the BIB and other points from other posters. I have no problem with Irish celebs being included in the programme, especially when they are de facto "British" celebrities in that their work is as well known here as to make no difference that they are from elsewhere. To back that up one of the best was the Jerry Springer episode (yes he was born here but he is not British - but a very legitimate programme - as opposed to him just doing the American version).
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What was the percentage who voted for them, with First Past The Post voting even with 72 out of 79 there can be a lot of people opposed to them.
It could certainly be said that the majority of nationalists supported the War of Independence anyway.....it would probably be called a "popular uprising" these days. |
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I too was surprised they didn't at least tell us to what age Hardy lived. I am sure O'Carroll must have asked. There is a Wikipedia page for Hardy though which tells us. Interesting to find out he could include Sir Arthur Conan Doyle amongst his friends.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jocelyn_Lee_Hardy Blimey, a war hero and from the sounds of it a very strong and resillient man. Not that I condone him murdering people though!Thanks for that. |
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Bruce Forsyth did that for his ancestor who turned out to have been a bigamist - or at least had a family on each side of the atlantic! The ancestor had a real rollercoater career but died in poverty in New York with an unmarked grave.
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So nice to have found a forum for Who do you think you are - I really don't know why I didn't look ages ago
![]() I thought the episode with Brendan O'Carroll was okay. I generally don't like it when they only go up one or two generations - and this was more of a whodunnit. The best episode for me (so far) is the Brian Blessed one. I usually can't stand the bloke but his ancestors story was quite moving. |
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What was the percentage who voted for them, with First Past The Post voting even with 72 out of 79 there can be a lot of people opposed to them.
, I find it hard that my ex finds me a supposed Prod except the fact I have been an atheist since 11 (30 years ago-officially) never, in my heart... That is why I have an ex-catholic best friend. Oh! we are neither. we are both the same - atheists. Strange how we get on eh??? And there is your problem! |
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Blimey, a war hero and from the sounds of it a very strong and resillient man. Not that I condone him murdering people though!
, I find it hard that my ex finds me a supposed Prod except the fact I have been an atheist since 11 (30 years ago-officially) never, in my heart...