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Old 25-09-2015, 20:50
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Possibly the best two episodes this year have been the two celebrities that casual viewers might not have bothered with because of the subject - thus missing the real point of the series.
What were the 2 best episodes, I haven't been watching this series or reading the thread, I'll download them, view them at some very much later date.
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Old 25-09-2015, 21:59
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My sister who does genealogy in a big way discovered that we are also descended frrom William the Conquerer. Henry II is our 28th great grandfather. What helped her a lot was having 14 generations going back to the 1400's all with the same surname. Then when you get back to someone with a 'name' like in our case Ralph Neville, Earl Westmorland the rest is a matter of historical fact.
So William I is your 31st great grandfather!

I've got my family traced back to 1200 on one branch but haven't found any links to royalty yet. We've got a Richard de Barkisland whose daughter married a Henry Gledhill. My particular branch of the family stayed in the same very small area of Yorkshire until the mid-1980s!
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Old 25-09-2015, 23:55
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So William I is your 31st great grandfather!

I've got my family traced back to 1200 on one branch but haven't found any links to royalty yet. We've got a Richard de Barkisland whose daughter married a Henry Gledhill. My particular branch of the family stayed in the same very small area of Yorkshire until the mid-1980s!

Yes, apparently he is, I wouldn't have a clue how to go about it, but my sister is very driven, she loves doing it and I can't count the number of times she's been to the records office. She found this out through tracing our mum's branch of the family who were from Yorkshire as well.
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Old 26-09-2015, 09:16
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I really wish some of my family hadn't been in the cotton industry.

A couple of them went over to Russia to help set things up over there and my great-great-grandfather was born there so the records are over there or may have been destroyed. Bizarrely he came back here and was adopted and his siblings ended up in a boarding house.

Makes me wonder about what happened to his parents. Only have names for them, no dates.

On the other side of family a distant relative made us of the fact that the family didn't move away from a village and got the family back to 1700 by looking at gravestones!
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Old 26-09-2015, 11:59
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deleted, wrong thread.

H77 is an idiot.
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Old 26-09-2015, 14:37
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On the other side of family a distant relative made us of the fact that the family didn't move away from a village and got the family back to 1700 by looking at gravestones!
On my dad's side of the family I've managed to get back to the 1500s, and they all lived in the same area. There's a graveyard with many of my ancestors in it. I must make a trip over there to have a look at some stage. Research on both my parents' surnames seems to indicate that they are Viking in origin, which would make sense as both families lived for centuries in what was known in the past as the Danelaw.
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Old 26-09-2015, 21:49
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Brilliant episode - I loved every minute. It made up for some really lacklustre episodes this series (and how much last week's annoyed me!)
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Old 26-09-2015, 22:59
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I watched it last night lundavra - just set your television up so that you can get any BBC not just BBC Scotland. Same with ITV, we just put in our old England address postcode when we set up the new television. We've done this at three homes here in Scotland now, and it's meant we don't miss out on stuff due to different scheduling in Scotland.
Not much help on Freeview!

I do sometimes watch BBC network online but it was not convenient to do that this week, I can wait until Monday.
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Old 26-09-2015, 23:01
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Who was it that found out they were related to god? That was a cracking one!!!
Matthew Pinsent, I think
I somehow don't think he took it seriously! It used to be fashionable in Royal families to have their tree going back to Adam and Eve, I think he just linked to someone with a tree like that,
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Old 26-09-2015, 23:08
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My sister who does genealogy in a big way discovered that we are also descended frrom William the Conquerer. Henry II is our 28th great grandfather. What helped her a lot was having 14 generations going back to the 1400's all with the same surname. Then when you get back to someone with a 'name' like in our case Ralph Neville, Earl Westmorland the rest is a matter of historical fact.
I think I have mentioned before that I went to a talk by the author of 'Glencoe and the Indians', he visited the Nez Perce tribe and was having a meal in their community centre. Whilst watching the children playing in the corner, it occurred to him that every one of those children could trace their line back to Somerled when many rich Americans visit Scotland to find their ancestry and never get beyond a poor crofter.
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Old 29-09-2015, 12:40
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Fantastic episode. Engaging 'celeb' and fascinating family tree.

Can any 'good with sums' types guesstimate how many direct descendants William the Conqueror must have. It must be in the tens (hundreds?) of thousands surely?
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Old 29-09-2015, 12:59
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Fantastic episode. Engaging 'celeb' and fascinating family tree.

Can any 'good with sums' types guesstimate how many direct descendants William the Conqueror must have. It must be in the tens (hundreds?) of thousands surely?
This website lists the 10 people with the most descendants. According to this anyone who can claim descent from even a minor royal will be a descendant of his. I should imagine, due to the fact that some of his royal descendants had many illegitimate offspring, that pretty much anyone who has English ancestry going back a few hundred years will be a descendant.

However we're probably all descended from Charlemagne and Genghis Khan too!
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Old 29-09-2015, 14:21
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This website lists the 10 people with the most descendants. According to this anyone who can claim descent from even a minor royal will be a descendant of his. I should imagine, due to the fact that some of his royal descendants had many illegitimate offspring, that pretty much anyone who has English ancestry going back a few hundred years will be a descendant.

However we're probably all descended from Charlemagne and Genghis Khan too!
Thanks for that. Fascinating stuff. Genghis Khan was a randy old bugger!

And this about a link to William the Conqueror 'tens of millions of Europeans, over 1.5 million Americans, and every single U.S. President who ever lived, from Washington to Obama' .
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Old 29-09-2015, 14:27
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This website lists the 10 people with the most descendants. According to this anyone who can claim descent from even a minor royal will be a descendant of his. I should imagine, due to the fact that some of his royal descendants had many illegitimate offspring, that pretty much anyone who has English ancestry going back a few hundred years will be a descendant.

However we're probably all descended from Charlemagne and Genghis Khan too!
And probably some even nastier people! There is a thread running on sgb about 'How many living descendants are there of Oliver Cromwell?' but the male line ran out so there are no descendants with the Cromwell surname because any descendants are through his daughter.
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Old 29-09-2015, 14:33
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I noticed someone mentioned them not picking up his relationship to Sir Humphrey Davy, his father (or grandfather) was even given 'Davy' as a second name.

I presume they must have just being trying to concentrate on one area but a pity that someone so distinguished was left out.

They could have also mentioned what happened to the children after being effectively orphaned with the mother in the asylum.

It sounds as if Frank Gardner's father might have been a spook.
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Old 29-09-2015, 14:35
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And probably some even nastier people! There is a thread running on sgb about 'How many living descendants are there of Oliver Cromwell?' but the male line ran out so there are no descendants with the Cromwell surname because any descendants are through his daughter.
Oliver Cromwell was descended from Thomas Cromwell's sister.

What is sgb?
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Old 29-09-2015, 15:48
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Oliver Cromwell was descended from Thomas Cromwell's sister.

What is sgb?
soc.genealogy.britain
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Old 29-09-2015, 16:50
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And probably some even nastier people! There is a thread running on sgb about 'How many living descendants are there of Oliver Cromwell?' but the male line ran out so there are no descendants with the Cromwell surname because any descendants are through his daughter.
As Seejay says, Oliver Cromwell is a direct descendant of Richard Williams, Thomas Cromwell's nephew, who took the surname 'Cromwell'. So both Oliver and Thomas are descendants of Thomas' father, Walter Cromwell.
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Old 29-09-2015, 20:05
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As Seejay says, Oliver Cromwell is a direct descendant of Richard Williams, Thomas Cromwell's nephew, who took the surname 'Cromwell'. So both Oliver and Thomas are descendants of Thomas' father, Walter Cromwell.
There are people related to Oliver but from what I read, there is no one descended from him with the Cromwell name from him - I suppose a descendant of his daughter could have married someone with the Cromwell name.
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Old 29-09-2015, 21:18
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There are people related to Oliver but from what I read, there is no one descended from him with the Cromwell name from him - I suppose a descendant of his daughter could have married someone with the Cromwell name.
The Duchess of Kent is descended from him. She is his 8th great granddaughter via one of his daughters. Ironic that one of his descendants is so closely related to the Royal Family!

Michael Ibsen, the man whose DNA they used to confirm the bones of Richard III, is also descended from him.
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Old 29-09-2015, 21:20
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Watching Tony Goldwyns WDYTYA on Watch now. Fascinating family history. His grandfather was Samuel Goldwyn of course and his other grandfather was Sidney Howard who wrote the screenplay for Gone With The Wind.
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Old 29-09-2015, 21:31
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I don't seem to have any exciting, famous or royal ancestors
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Old 30-09-2015, 21:05
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I don't seem to have any exciting, famous or royal ancestors
I expect you have really, you have to keep on going back and maybe sideways, to find them.
Someone researched my father's family back to about 500 years and discovered that our family came over from Ireland where they owned lots of land, he was very rich and was known as the Wool Baron. His daughter married Sir Richard Boleyn, but haven't discovered yet if he was related to Ann Boleyn.

Wonder where all the money went?

BTW, apparently I have Viking ancestry because I suffer from Dupruytens contracture, which was brought over by the Vikings.
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Old 01-10-2015, 08:22
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daisydee.
Not quite right.
It affects people from Scandinvia & northern europe so got called Viking disease
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Old 01-10-2015, 13:38
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I expect you have really, you have to keep on going back and maybe sideways, to find them.
Someone researched my father's family back to about 500 years and discovered that our family came over from Ireland where they owned lots of land, he was very rich and was known as the Wool Baron. His daughter married Sir Richard Boleyn, but haven't discovered yet if he was related to Ann Boleyn.

Wonder where all the money went?

BTW, apparently I have Viking ancestry because I suffer from Dupruytens contracture, which was brought over by the Vikings.
I've got ancestors who came from Ireland at the beginning of the 19th century but it's difficult finding out what they did when they were in Ireland. They both joined the British Army, so I can only assume that they weren't particularly well off.

That particular Viking gene seems to have missed us, despite the Viking ancestry!
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