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Old 24-11-2016, 21:53
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Hmmm, lets see.

Wasn't Matthew Pinsent also descended from William the Conqueror??
And when they did his "full" genealogy back from William, according to medieval family tree stuff as a king he was descended directly from God.

Thank goodness they decided not to tell this to Danny Dyer.
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Old 24-11-2016, 22:03
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Earl of Essex and King of the Cockneys drinks in the Anne Boleyn pub
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Old 24-11-2016, 22:22
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I love Danny. One of the best episodes in a long time.

Mr Dyer is a Diamond
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Old 24-11-2016, 22:34
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All cockneys don't walk like that.
No, some do the Lambeth Walk ... OI!!!
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Old 24-11-2016, 22:40
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Good opening episode, entertaining & interesting.

*give aaahs a look at 'is smudge*
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Old 24-11-2016, 23:24
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Good opening episode, entertaining & interesting.

*give aaahs a look at 'is smudge*

For a series they always put the very best episode first . Really enjoyed tonights not a big Danny Dwyer fan and his accent is a bit annoying but its interesting.
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Old 24-11-2016, 23:26
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Alexander Armstrong and Matthew Pinsent are both descended from William the Conqueror, if I remember correctly. Boris Johnson is descended from George the 1st, I think. Brooke Shields is also descended from Royalty but I can't remember who, I'd have to google her.

I thought DD's episode was good, but his cockney geezer persona did irritate me a bit.
I think a significant proportion of the population would find Royal ancestors if they had the resources (and luck) to be able to track back that far.

It was an interesting story but spoilt by him not knowing very much and having to play the Cockney hardman all the way through
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Old 24-11-2016, 23:31
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It's all a bit deceptive, we're probably all related to royalty if you go back far enough. Danny Dyer went back to his 15x grandfather - what they didn't say is that Danny had over 32,000 15x great grandfathers. If each of those only had an average of 2 children they would have each had 32,000 15x great granchildren. And, combined, Danny's 15x grand fathers would have had over 32 million offspring like Danny.

Going back to his 22x great grandfather, Edward III, the numbers become ridiculous.

The really tricky bit is finding all the documents to prove the lineage.
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Old 24-11-2016, 23:36
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I'm sure I read somewhere that most U.S. presidents can trace their ancestry back to the Plantaganets.
Not sure if it's true or not.
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Old 24-11-2016, 23:43
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From Cromwell plus all the way back through Royalty from Edward III to William the Conqueror.
Really enjoyed that.
Big deal as we are all related to royalty somehow, me I'm Henry the eighth, Donald Trump and Adam and Eve but not Steve.
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Old 25-11-2016, 00:22
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Actually, we are not all related to royalty. Royal families through history have married other royalty. Not much chance of ordinary jo being related to them.
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Old 25-11-2016, 00:30
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Actually, we are not all related to royalty. Royal families through history have married other royalty. Not much chance of ordinary jo being related to them.
Thats not true though. Royals tended to have very big familes as so the 4th daughter might marry someone although still nobility not as high as the royals they then have several kids etc I think most people whos families have been in Britain for more than two generations can probably find they have royal connections if you can find the documents going back far enough.
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Old 25-11-2016, 00:35
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Well I enjoyed it.
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Old 25-11-2016, 00:36
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All Hail King Danny,Earl of Essex - sorted !
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Old 25-11-2016, 00:44
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Thats not true though. Royals tended to have very big familes as so the 4th daughter might marry someone although still nobility not as high as the royals they then have several kids etc I think most people whos families have been in Britain for more than two generations can probably find they have royal connections if you can find the documents going back far enough.
Not true. Henry 8th - 2 children. Elizabeth 1st - no children. Edward 6th - no children.
James 1st - 2 surviving children. Charles 1st - 4 surviving children. William and Mary - no children.
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Old 25-11-2016, 04:07
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Not true. Henry 8th - 2 children. Elizabeth 1st - no children. Edward 6th - no children.
James 1st - 2 surviving children. Charles 1st - 4 surviving children. William and Mary - no children.
If you go back to William the Conqueror that changes though.
William the Conqueror - 10 children
Henry I - 12 children
Henry II - 10 children
John - 5 children
Edward I - 9 children

and these are just the known issues and don't count illegitimate children. From there its a numbers game, pretty much everyone in the UK who's family have been here more than three generations have a very high percent chance of being related to royalty, the hard part is proving it.

oh and Henry VIII had 6 acknowledged children. (though not a great argument as they all died as children or had no children of their own) and around another 5-10 illegitimate children.
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Old 25-11-2016, 06:09
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I`d just like to say, that is how all cockneys walk.
My husband is a genuine Cockney and he doesn't walk like that!
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Old 25-11-2016, 08:54
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According to him, he's a brilliant actor (where's the roll-eyes smiley when you need it?). If you don't want to read the whole interview, scroll down to below the baby picture.

http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2016-...-would-be-king

IMHO he is one of the worst actors I have ever seen. Chronically overacts in Eastenders
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Old 25-11-2016, 09:36
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According to him, he's a brilliant actor (where's the roll-eyes smiley when you need it?). If you don't want to read the whole interview, scroll down to below the baby picture.

http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2016-...-would-be-king
He's a one trick pony. Check out all the films he has been in. All about thugs and gangs and violence.
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Old 25-11-2016, 09:42
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I still have to watch this - it was on an hour earlier so I forgot. I can't stand Danny Dyer, Amanda Holden and one of the other celebs on [edit - just realised it is Cheryl Cole, who is advertised just as Cheryl ] but I like the programme and some of the other people featured ie Ian McKellen and Warwick Davis, so it is interesting enough to watch even if there are prats being featured.

Wikipedia on Danny Dyer says:

His 14× great grandmother was Elizabeth Seymour, the sister of Jane Seymour, who was Henry VIII’s third wife and Queen. Elizabeth married Cromwell’s son, Gregory Cromwell, and with the Seymour family’s assertion to be descended from Edward III, the line stretches back to William the Conqueror.

So how did they prove it or is it all hearsay on the part of the Seymours?
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Old 25-11-2016, 09:59
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From Cromwell plus all the way back through Royalty from Edward III to William the Conqueror.
Really enjoyed that.
fascinating stuff.... i too enjoyed it despite a strong dislike for danny dyer!
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Old 25-11-2016, 10:01
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He's a one trick pony. Check out all the films he has been in. All about thugs and gangs and violence.
exactly... hes not acting, hes just being his crass self.
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Old 25-11-2016, 10:10
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It's all a bit deceptive, we're probably all related to royalty if you go back far enough. Danny Dyer went back to his 15x grandfather - what they didn't say is that Danny had over 32,000 15x great grandfathers. If each of those only had an average of 2 children they would have each had 32,000 15x great granchildren. And, combined, Danny's 15x grand fathers would have had over 32 million offspring like Danny.

Going back to his 22x great grandfather, Edward III, the numbers become ridiculous.

The really tricky bit is finding all the documents to prove the lineage.
Once you have the link into a Royalty or even someone like Cromwell then there is lots of information but I got the impression that there was some uncertainty about more recent generations especially because of the French story which was never explained fully. It seems most likely it was Huguenots.
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Old 25-11-2016, 10:16
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He's a one trick pony. Check out all the films he has been in. All about thugs and gangs and violence.
Similarly did not like him last night but has to be remembered that some really big Hollywood names had a good career out of "thugs and gangs and violence"
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Old 25-11-2016, 10:24
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Great episode. I found it incredibly moving at the end when he found out his connection to Edward III and William the Conqueror.
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