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So much press for "Cheryl's" episode as if she is the star of this series. Ian McKellen is clearly a much bigger deal.
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Quite so. His is the one I'm deliberately watching. I'm surprised he hasn't been on already considering some of the chaff they've already had on.
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On the assumption that this is your stab at phonetic Cockney, I recommend that you listen more closely to Ray Winstone.
1 out of 10, must try harder; bloimey? gavna? brike? lirmbef? wowk? You're 'avin' a Turkish, surely? I very, very, rarely watch this show, but if that talentless individual is on, I'll be inserting red hot needles in my eyes rather than watch it. Like you say a talentless.
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I admit to not having been tempted to watch Cheryle & Amanda's ancestry stories as they do not interest me as performers. This can be a mistake though as it is what they find & how they find it which is the interesting bit. I was never a fan of David Dickinson, so didn't watch his WDYTYA when it was first aired, but watched a repeat - it turned out to be one of the most interesting I have ever watched. So who knows, when I am at a loose end, I may watch C & A's stories.
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Last night's programme showed a common weakness out of the series. A lot was made of her ancestor being shown as 50 in the 1841 Census so he would have been 15 at an earlier event but other records showed he was actually 17. But the 1841 Census rounds off ages. No one corrected her about this so she was convinced he had earlier said he was older than he actually was (not uncommon of course).
But you're right, the 1841 census rounded down for some reason. |
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Im watching this now, I think the reason he seems to have been accepted as 15 by the programme is because the master came back to reclaim him as the apprentice because his 7 years wasnt up, ergo he was 15, not 17. He was trying to say he was 17 because then it would have meant his apprenticeship years were up.
But you're right, the 1841 census rounded down for some reason. |
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Amanda Holden tonight. Hope she doesn't keep giggling throughout the whole thing like she usually does.
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I think they give advance publicity for all the shows, just the tabloids making more of her. I don't understand the reluctance to watch episodes by some people. I found the Eastenders actor a real PITA but watched it. I can't stand the Scouse ex-con but will still watch his programme. Sometimes quite obnoxious people people can be interesting.
By the way, "More or Less" is just analysing the number of descendants of Edward III. |
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Really enjoyed the Liz Bonnin ep.
Loved the way she slipped between English and French so effortlessly. All with that wonderful Irish accent. She kept the story going well I thought. In some shows I can sometimes lose the thread of who they're talking about - but Liz was very good at keeping the thread clear and concise. Very interesting story - especially on her father's side in Martinique. |
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Really enjoyed the Liz Bonnin ep.
Loved the way she slipped between English and French so effortlessly. All with that wonderful Irish accent. She kept the story going well I thought. In some shows I can sometimes lose the thread of who they're talking about - but Liz was very good at keeping the thread clear and concise. Very interesting story - especially on her father's side in Martinique. I do love the episodes that delve further back in time and don't just stick with one ancestor. Top marks for this one.
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Really enjoyed the Liz Bonnin ep.
Loved the way she slipped between English and French so effortlessly. All with that wonderful Irish accent. She kept the story going well I thought. In some shows I can sometimes lose the thread of who they're talking about - but Liz was very good at keeping the thread clear and concise. Very interesting story - especially on her father's side in Martinique. |
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We thoroughly enjoyed last night episode with Liz Bonnin. To us, her story was far more interesting than last weeks and of many others in the past. 10/10.
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Just watched this on iplayer.
This was great episode & told the story very well. |
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She has a fascinating ancestry. I wonder if the earliest paternal grandfather who married Zoe the enslaved female treated all his "slaves" equally as humans. The irony that she received blood money when slavery was abolished is a bitter pill to swallow.
The one thing that came across was her impatience at times...."Open the book!" ...the man did attempt to explain things to her first. I imagine she suspected she had black ancestry on her paternal side. |
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She has a fascinating ancestry. I wonder if the earliest paternal grandfather who married Zoe the enslaved female treated all his "slaves" equally as humans. The irony that she received blood money when slavery was abolished is a bitter pill to swallow.
The one thing that came across was her impatience at times...."Open the book!" ...the man did attempt to explain things to her first. I imagine she suspected she had black ancestry on her paternal side. I think she was just eager to learn nore, unlike some of the subjects of the programme. It's hard to be sure what happened a couple of hundred years ago. Some on past programmes have virtually accused their female slave ancestors of being raped which obviously would happen but also surround young men far from home with young women and there are sure to be relationships, many quite consensual. The women would know of course that even if they did not marry, they would probably benefit and any children would get better jobs as well as often get an education. |
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I agree. A fascinating story. Liz wasn't wrong when she said at the start that she's a bit of a mongrel, but her mixed race ancestry produced some interesting characters and stories. Such good looking people too, judging from the photos.
I do love the episodes that delve further back in time and don't just stick with one ancestor. Top marks for this one. ![]() |
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Really enjoyed the Liz Bonnin ep.
Loved the way she slipped between English and French so effortlessly. All with that wonderful Irish accent. She kept the story going well I thought. In some shows I can sometimes lose the thread of who they're talking about - but Liz was very good at keeping the thread clear and concise. Very interesting story - especially on her father's side in Martinique. |
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Excellent last night. I don't care how well known folks are I'm interested in the ancestry. Best of the series. They are back to two ancestry lines rather than the dull one ancestor/social history format.
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Same here it's the historical story that draws me in not the person starting it off. I had no idea who this one was but great story well told. Mr F will only watch episodes of people he likes.
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It has often been reported how the owners received compensation.
I think she was just eager to learn nore, unlike some of the subjects of the programme. It's hard to be sure what happened a couple of hundred years ago. Some on past programmes have virtually accused their female slave ancestors of being raped which obviously would happen but also surround young men far from home with young women and there are sure to be relationships, many quite consensual. The women would know of course that even if they did not marry, they would probably benefit and any children would get better jobs as well as often get an education. As for your last sentence, defenders of slavery thought very much the same thing - slaves were better off being slaves. |
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It was funny how she gesticulated and became more animated when she was speaking French.
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With respect, It's not hard to be sure, of what happened a couple of hundred years ago. The raping of female slaves was very much the norm. The slaves were considered chattel and not even human.
As for your last sentence, defenders of slavery thought very much the same thing - slaves were better off being slaves. Condition and treatment of the slaves varied widely just as it did for indentured and paid labour. I would think on many estates it would be better than it had been at the hands of the black and Arab slave traders back in Africa. |
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Obviously rape took place but there were also many consensual relationships formed, some of which resulted in marriage but even informal relationships could last as with her earliest ancestors. An intelligent attractive young woman would see it as a way of getting a better life for herself and any children, I would not be surprised if some were encouraged by their mothers.
Condition and treatment of the slaves varied widely just as it did for indentured and paid labour. I would think on many estates it would be better than it had been at the hands of the black and Arab slave traders back in Africa. Good episode. I think that wdytya was getting stale but I'm enjoying this series. |
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Really interesting episode, I knew next to nothing about the ethic mix in Trinidad beyond the fact it is very ethnically mixed.
I did wonder if maybe she was turning the grief on a bit when she discovered she had slave-owning ancestors, given she didn't in the same way when she found she had some who actually were slaves (and one who covered both bases). |
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Really interesting episode, I knew next to nothing about the ethic mix in Trinidad beyond the fact it is very ethnically mixed.
I did wonder if maybe she was turning the grief on a bit when she discovered she had slave-owning ancestors, given she didn't in the same way when she found she had some who actually were slaves (and one who covered both bases). |
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