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Old 24-12-2016, 08:03
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Perhaps he is an angry man because he alleges he was set up by building trade barons and the establishment in the 70s when he was given a 2 year prison sentence for something he still maintains he didn't do - along with a number of other men.

Ricky still fights to this day to get his name cleared 40 years on. These events have actually been dramatised in a stage play.
Yes, agree with you there.
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Old 24-12-2016, 09:23
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I have my suspicions about his tears but it can be quite moving discovering some things about ancestors - one of mine cut his own throat, one family lost three children within a week and then had about three SBC, one child died when her dress caught fire, another drank some poison found under the sink .... and five were hung. Some of these came as quite a shock, I might not have cried but I can see that I could have in some circumstances.
Yes, of course it can be moving to find out about such tragic events - but child mortality in the Victorian era was hardly unheard of. Even by the end of the 19th century, when my own grandfather was born, average child mortality was around 1:4. My great grandmother had 15 children and four of them died as infants. Her older sister lost 4 out of her first 5 children at less than one year old between 1890 and 1895.

Discovering that sort of thing WAS shocking and deeply saddening... but this was simply the harsh reality of many people's lives at that time and I understood that. Yes I was sad to find out - and I was no less so than he was - but of course I had no camera crew and director on hand demanding tears on tap.

He should also have been made to realise that losing children in infancy was not the sole preserve of the working classes. Childhood ailments, disease and prematurity were no respecters of social class and it was a fairly unusual Victorian family who never experienced the loss of one or more children.
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Old 24-12-2016, 11:11
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He should also have been made to realise that losing children in infancy was not the sole preserve of the working classes. Childhood ailments, disease and prematurity were no respecters of social class and it was a fairly unusual Victorian family who never experienced the loss of one or more children.
True, the family that lost three children within a week to Scarlatina then had a series of SBC, was quite a prosperous family.
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Old 24-12-2016, 16:02
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But him being self-employed and not taking sensible precautions when around the cart did not fit with his political spin on it. Like one ancestor having to have been a keen union activist rather than like probably like most of the union members who just wanted a quiet life and went along with what others were doing especially if there were already violent activists then.
A good point. He had his own agenda and was sticking to it.

Another question I had, when they were showing him with that beautiful horse, was how on earth were they all fed? Given the cost of feeding/buying a shire horse, surely many carters would have used simple ponies or even donkeys. Where were they stabled - that must have been an industry in itself!

You can tell my mind wandered a bit...........
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Old 24-12-2016, 17:00
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A good point. He had his own agenda and was sticking to it.

Another question I had, when they were showing him with that beautiful horse, was how on earth were they all fed? Given the cost of feeding/buying a shire horse, surely many carters would have used simple ponies or even donkeys. Where were they stabled - that must have been an industry in itself!

You can tell my mind wandered a bit...........
A few years ago there was a programme on BBC about Thames barges, they brought in a huge amount of feed and hay for all the horses in London and of course removed a huge amount of .........

Liverpool is smaller but there would be a lot of feed coming in.

Some might have had smaller ponies (equivalent of the modern courier in his car or van perhaps) but most were moving large heavy loads so would need carthorses.
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Old 24-12-2016, 23:10
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I have watched none of this series. I have no interest in any of the z listers shown so far.
I don't mind who they are if their stories are interesting,
Trouble is for me is that they only research one side of their family,
we all have 2 stories to tell
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Old 24-12-2016, 23:58
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I was surprised that he got so emotional about the living conditions as surely someone of his age would have known how grim they were for working class people. My great grandfather lived in Great Wild Street near Drury Lane in London and conditions there were just as bad. I watch all the programmes whether I like the celebrity or not as I just enjoy the history of it. Mr F will only watch if he likes them.
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Old 25-12-2016, 00:00
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I don't mind who they are if their stories are interesting,
Trouble is for me is that they only research one side of their family,
we all have 2 stories to tell
From has been written previously, they do a lot of research in both sides of the tree and see if there are interesting stories that are not too similar to things done previously.
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Old 26-12-2016, 01:21
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From has been written previously, they do a lot of research in both sides of the tree and see if there are interesting stories that are not too similar to things done previously.
Yes I read about that too,
There was going to be a Michael Parkinson story, but he had only ordinary people in his ancestry,
Just like most of us I suppose
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Old 26-12-2016, 10:01
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Although I am no fan of Ricky Tomlinson, I did find the programme interesting from a genealogy point of view. Carters were important people in many ports throughout Great Britain. Child mortality in the 16th to 19th centuries was high. Infant deaths hit all classes.

One thing that made me smile, how he believes Liverpudlians had the exclusiveness of being salt of the earth and its workers who fought for their rights. All over Great Britain, workers everywhere, were fighting for better working conditions etc, etc.

Many of us who have traced back through generation after generation, would have found similar ancestors, who by today's standards, may be called menial jobs, but were in fact the lifeblood for many villages, towns and cities.

Genealogy is not all about researching ones ancestors, but also about the social-economic history of that generation.

In my wife's tree, I have found numerous ancestors who were farm labourers or as in one census, named as a ''harlot''. In my own tree, I have ancestors who were mariners and master mariners, were a gentleman and had servants, some who emmigrated to the USA or were convicted and transported to Australia.
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Old 26-12-2016, 11:11
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Yes I read about that too,
There was going to be a Michael Parkinson story, but he had only ordinary people in his ancestry,
Just like most of us I suppose
That was what he claimed but I think he was just playing the "professional Yorkshireman" and wanted to sound boring. A well known genealogist had researched his tree and found some very interesting stories in his family.
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Old 26-12-2016, 18:46
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[quote=LaineyT;84948695]I know people might think Im being a bit picky...but hes isnt a scouser. He was born near Blackpool so he wasnt born in Liverpool.
He may have lived all his life from little in Liverpool but hes not a scouser lol.

He was upset at the state of the house his relative would have lived in but that was the times . They wouldnt have been the only ones there was 1000s of families living the same way.[/QUOTE]

This is why I rarely watch this show. It's obvious that life was very hard back then so why be surprised at how they lived.

RT was shocked that Mary (I think it was her) had 10 children. My mum was 1 of 10 as were many other families. Are they that stupid or do they think we the viewers are? I read books from that era and watch drama's do they not do this? You only have to watch Angela's Ashes to see what the condition of living was.

One of my aunt's are doing our family. One of the surnames is Smith When asked what she has ben doing she say's .. I've been looking for dead people
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Old 26-12-2016, 20:22
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This is why I rarely watch this show. It's obvious that life was very hard back then so why be surprised at how they lived.

RT was shocked that Mary (I think it was her) had 10 children. My mum was 1 of 10 as were many other families. Are they that stupid or do they think we the viewers are? I read books from that era and watch drama's do they not do this? You only have to watch Angela's Ashes to see what the condition of living was.

One of my aunt's are doing our family. One of the surnames is Smith When asked what she has ben doing she say's .. I've been looking for dead people
Has been said many times, they really need to go back to having someone explaining things to them as they trace the family and not just a series of "experts" on different topics. As has been said ten children was not unusual and she was lucky if they all survived, I would have expected quite a few deaths as infants.

You should try Welsh ancestors where some surnames are very common but being patronymic they are necessarily related.
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Old 31-12-2016, 12:16
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The most thrilling thing was the discovery that Danny Dyer has a better pedigree than Boris Johnson. I will treasure that for a long, long, time.
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Old Yesterday, 19:43
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Does anyone know when the rest of the episodes are on. I can't find any information on them.
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Old Yesterday, 19:58
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Have just been looking for the same thing - still on our series link list but hasn't rolled over to a new programme yet, and on the BBC website it says no future programmes scheduled! It would be a bit weird if they didn't show the remaining episodes.
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Old Yesterday, 21:33
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Have just been looking for the same thing - still on our series link list but hasn't rolled over to a new programme yet, and on the BBC website it says no future programmes scheduled! It would be a bit weird if they didn't show the remaining episodes.
Thanks for answering, i tried the website too and Wiki but nothing. I'm really looking forward to Sir Ian Mckellen and Warwick Davis.
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