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HaloJoe
25-07-2013
Originally Posted by guku:
“This forum's a holiday on the beach compared to the old Ch4 BB forum. ”

Lol - The good old days

Nah all joking aside, that forum got so nasty one night it completely put me off the place. The hate wasn't aimed at me (at first anyway) - it was directed at a really sweet poster, the poor lad unfortunately wasn't very good at spelling, and lacked punctuation in his posts, they were a little jumbled up, but he loved BB. You could understand what he was saying though, so no big deal right? - Well his so called friend went against him one night, and 4 others jumped on him too, slating him, telling him he was 'thick' etc... You could tell he was getting upset, but the more he asked why his 'friend' was being like he was, the more shit/piss taking they gave him

That's when i jumped in and told them how pathetic they were being, i ended losing it BIG TIME with them, it was a full blown row, it was vicious stuff. A couple of people i'd got on well with jumped in too (having my back) it was absolute chaos.

But the bullying of that poor bloke make me sick, i gave up on forums for a bit after that, it was way too extreme for me!

Anyway sorry for blabbering on The point i'm trying to make is DS would never allow that to happen, the moderation on here is great, and very professional (unlike the old C4 one) - Honestly DS isn't too bad as far as forums and nasty posters go!
pettra
25-07-2013
OP - you are very courageous to make such a post in your 'early days' with us. Kudos to you! (I don't think I would have had the nerve but then I am not a prolific poster and spend most of my time in the shadows.)

There are a couple of factors you need to take account of when judging the forum.

Every year we get an influx of trolls. Sometimes it is only one or two, some can be funny - some very irritating. We seem to have had quite a lot this year. They try to turn every thread into whatever they are campaigning for (which is not real) just to get responses.

Then there are the New Thread Addicts...who make a new thread without checking if there is already a thread on the subject. This leads to endless multiple threads on the same subject. (Keeping the Admin on their toes trying to merge them all).

If you want to make a comparison with other years - then click on the options button and go to the first page of this forum. That should take you to somewhere (I think) in either BB2 or BB3. And you have all the BB years to make a good comparision of all the posts and posters now....and.....then.

Finally, if you want to escape the madness of the forum...jump into the WHATM thread...they are a friendly bunch and try to be reasonably objective.

Don't write us off - there are a lot of good peeps scattered around here!
hearditallbefor
25-07-2013
Originally Posted by pettra:
“OP - you are very courageous to make such a post in your 'early days' with us. Kudos to you! (I don't think I would have had the nerve but then I am not a prolific poster and spend most of my time in the shadows.)

There are a couple of factors you need to take account of when judging the forum.

Every year we get an influx of trolls. Sometimes it is only one or two, some can be funny - some very irritating. We seem to have had quite a lot this year. They try to turn every thread into whatever they are campaigning for (which is not real) just to get responses.

Then there are the New Thread Addicts...who make a new thread without checking if there is already a thread on the subject. This leads to endless multiple threads on the same subject. (Keeping the Admin on their toes trying to merge them all).

If you want to make a comparison with other years - then click on the options button and go to the first page of this forum. That should take you to somewhere (I think) in either BB2 or BB3. And you have all the BB years to make a good comparision of all the posts and posters now....and.....then.

Finally, if you want to escape the madness of the forum...jump into the WHATM thread...they are a friendly bunch and try to be reasonably objective.

Don't write us off - there are a lot of good peeps scattered around here!”

the point in bold is really irritating, there's so many not only daft threads that arn't going to instigate debate, but often several on the same topics, I wish people would check, or it's hard to keep up
LIZALYNN
25-07-2013
I think BBBOTS has led the way for some forum members on here to become meaner.
BBBOTS stopped being light hearted and became unpleasant especially in it's slaughtering of Callum even by the so called psycologists on the show. Rylan and Emma loved Jackie but we viewers evicted her.
Ever since then it seems the BB team has sulked about it and is using BBBOTS to get us back by spitefullly whipping up hatred towards Callum in the hope they can sway us to evict him.
MrJames
25-07-2013
This is nothing on last year.

I love the forum. When I go on the other DS forums it shocks me to see that they are no where near as frantic as the Big Brother one is.

The reason why there are so many threads on the same subject is because a) So many people make them at the exact same time as a reaction to something on HL or LF and b) It tends to be the only way to get your voice heard. The designated threads move on at such a fast pace.
yogacats
25-07-2013
Originally Posted by On The Beach:
“I joined this forum at the height of the Dazel debacle and am guessing that I witnessed this place at its very worst ... based on the volume of original posts and comments spewing out vitriol and hatred here online at the time. A pity really because a week earlier, I had enjoyed the delights of forum chat reveling in the pure entertainment of the Dexter / Gina safe house episodes ... and thought your BB community here was a sublime and perfect model of just how good a public watering hole can be at its best.

I noted many long standing members attempting to dampen or neutralize some of the most hateful comments but also witnessed many other Digital Spy lifers using the Dazel storyline as a vehicle to vent rage and anger in a totally over the top manner, ironically using the most crude, disrespectful and offensive language to present their own alleged moral high ground perspective.

Yeah. I know. It's a forum and that's fine ... but what does the level of nastiness within its pages say about our lives, our culture or our world?

The public, you and I, apparently wished to send one housemate a sobering message yesterday and the producers obliged ... and gave that housemate a series of cruel and humiliating tasks to perform ... for our viewing pleasure. (Including dressing up in a snake costume).

I had thought this years show was brilliant ... and the ratings have kind of echoed my sentiment ... so why do I feel so uncomfortable with what I have witnessed this evening?”

BRILLIANT POST!
yogacats
25-07-2013
Originally Posted by Urbane:
“ But these days the average perspective seems far removed from mine. I don't mean opinions on various HMs, but just concepts about morality/acceptability and such like.”

I know exactly what you mean. I have been astounded by the 'slant' some people on here give to situations on BB.

Some people have a very skewed, thought process (blame the victim for example) or even see things that aren't there (when people describe a situation, to suit their perception of their favourite, or against whoever they 'hate'') recounting happenings that were simply not correct, or often haven't even happened.

I sometimes think 'are you watching the same show as i am'.
yogacats
25-07-2013
Originally Posted by hisdogspot:
“14 posts in and you've decided we are all shite

... best find another forum eh ?”

And you have just succinctly proved the OPs point.
yogacats
25-07-2013
Originally Posted by On The Beach:
“I used the word many in my text and nowhere, in my original post, did I use the word all. Rest assured, if I thought the whole BB Digital Spy community was as you claim, I would have said so.

Generalising is rarely good for debate ... and you'll learn that my particular style of posting is to offer an introductory preamble to outline a theme, perhaps ask a question or two and then invite others to discuss the topic.

My approach will not appeal to all but some members may possibly enjoy my particular take on things

Sniping or attacking a poster rather than the post has never really appealed to me but I appreciate some folk use a forum to let off steam. That's up to them though, as we are discussing, (and as others have already noted), such a policy can cause conflict on a public forum.

And yeah, I'm new here! Fascinating. It would appear, from your own seasoned point of view, that I am ripe to be misquoted or instantly dismissed.

Good luck with that.

Thanks for your comments though ... and thank you to the kind folk who mailed me with advice regarding multi quoting in a forum reply. ”


I think you just wiped your bottom with them!!!

Another brilliant post OP
rosieeee
25-07-2013
Excellent thread! Articulate and interesting posts and comments as well. I enjoy reading comments on this forum. I avoid certain threads when things get too heated for the simple reason that they are so repetitive and can get unpleasant. But I do like the discussion threads where people happily state their opinion and it is possible to reply even if you disagree with comments made, without an onslaught of abuse!
BelindaJ
25-07-2013
art mimicking life really helps genuine people understand why life can sometimes work against them when fake people and so on exist.
Heartache
25-07-2013
Originally Posted by guku:
“This forum's a holiday on the beach compared to the old Ch4 BB forum. ”

Oh those were the days, and yet others on there warned us to stay away from DS as it was too vicious.
Slave2life
25-07-2013
Originally Posted by pettra:
“OP - you are very courageous to make such a post in your 'early days' with us. Kudos to you! (I don't think I would have had the nerve but then I am not a prolific poster and spend most of my time in the shadows.)

There are a couple of factors you need to take account of when judging the forum.

Every year we get an influx of trolls. Sometimes it is only one or two, some can be funny - some very irritating. We seem to have had quite a lot this year. They try to turn every thread into whatever they are campaigning for (which is not real) just to get responses.

Then there are the New Thread Addicts...who make a new thread without checking if there is already a thread on the subject. This leads to endless multiple threads on the same subject. (Keeping the Admin on their toes trying to merge them all).

If you want to make a comparison with other years - then click on the options button and go to the first page of this forum. That should take you to somewhere (I think) in either BB2 or BB3. And you have all the BB years to make a good comparision of all the posts and posters now....and.....then.

Finally, if you want to escape the madness of the forum...jump into the WHATM thread...they are a friendly bunch and try to be reasonably objective.

Don't write us off - there are a lot of good peeps scattered around here!”

I am like yourself...I usually hide in the shadows....I do say the odd thing now and again....I also thought the forum this year had been a lot better in the way of members being polite. Obviously we do have the eejits who spoil things....but apart from that it has to be the best around.
Kewpee
25-07-2013
I've been here a loooong time...perhaps too long

I try to stick to one rule 'don't sweat the small stuff'

I don't know if it's because I am getting older, or because the forum is getting nastier, but I find personally that there is significantly more small stuff year on year.
moonlily
25-07-2013
Originally Posted by guku:
“This forum's a holiday on the beach compared to the old Ch4 BB forum. ”

That's what I was thinking- blood sweat and tears but lots of laughs along the way too
DavetheSensible
25-07-2013
Originally Posted by hisdogspot:
“hehe
Middle Earth is the place for you ... with that kind of poetic language you'd be right at home ”

Destination the Desolation of Smug?
JayPee86
25-07-2013
Originally Posted by Andrew_Duncan:
“To be fair, the forum has improved since last year. It was terrible back then for a while.”

No its got worse !

Last year was wonderful, look at all the positive threads and `operation vote to saves`

Its hideous this year.

I merely dip I'm and out
tenofspades
25-07-2013
it's bad- but it's a gameshow.
Were the tasks cruel? I think the only victim was Hazel because the rest blew over.(Gina/Dexter)
I think after reading this forum can understand why Hazel got that. A lot of people wanted her out at the same time as Daley.

But I do agree it can be an unpleasant forum especially all the words thrown around like 'creep' and 'vile', and all sorts of nasty harsh judgements. Bots is worse though.
robbies_gal
25-07-2013
i dont think its as friendly as it was say 4 years ago much more twitterfied if you get my drift too many younger people and i mean no offence but they are really immature

then again im getting older and everythin annoys me
Sugar Ape
25-07-2013
Maybe people have selective memories, but this forum has always been "nasty", the thing is, it was balanced by many intelligent, witty and entertaining posts. Those days are gone sadly, and all that remains is the nasty stuff.

Johnny from BB3 was the first housemate I remember getting incredible amounts of hate on the forum, and pretty much every BB since, someone or other has been utterly slated on here.

As I said, it's ok when you've got a balance of funny well written posts alongside the hate, but I dunno.. different times, different audience.
lorrieathome
25-07-2013
Originally Posted by tenofspades:
“But I do agree it can be an unpleasant forum especially all the words thrown around like 'creep' and 'vile', and all sorts of nasty harsh judgements. Bots is worse though.”

I agree with you about BOTS. It's a nasty programme and Emma even seems to take pride in the fact that it's so awful!! The guests have been poor quality this year too - most of them are non entities.

Somehow BOTS seems less nasty though when Rylan and AJ are presenting, the emphasis is more on fun.
SG-1
25-07-2013
Theres quite a few newer posters who have no problem in trying to beat opinions down with rudeness and false accusations.
It pisses me off a little that these few people can come in and turn the place hostile but it happens most years.
I stayed away last year and enjoyed the series but this year i thought id give it another chance but the odd few posters are getting me to the point of thinking why bother posting.

This week is the week the forums gotten really nasty although its nowhere near as disgusting as the showbiz forum which im guessing is where some of the newer bb fms have come from because the posts are quite obnoxious.
That said there are also some really pleasant and nice newer members who are prepared for debate rather than just getting personal.
Scarlett Berry
25-07-2013
Originally Posted by lorrieathome:
“I agree with you about BOTS. It's a nasty programme and Emma even seems to take pride in the fact that it's so awful!! The guests have been poor quality this year too - most of them are non entities. Somehow BOTS seems less nasty though when Rylan and AJ are presenting, the emphasis is more on fun.”

BIB..totally agree, however AJ is right up there with Emma and the baying audience with the nastiness and name calling. To give him credit (and I'm not a fan) Rylan doesn't appear to take such glee in ripping into the hm's.
The whole show is utterly appalling. and perhaps that can spill over onto the forums. Great post OP
LittleMISS.O
25-07-2013
Originally Posted by vpower:
“Good post. There is always some vitriol but the last few years have been quite bad. I know it's a forum where all opinions matter but I just wish people could be more positive about their favourites rather than continually negative about their least favourite in order to big up their favourite, if that makes sense”

Agree with this completely.

I will NEVER understand the mentally of people who claim to hate someone that they 1. Do not really know. 2. Only really see in a completely surreal and unusual environment for a few hours a day (even if they watch live feed). It's not that serious! And to make it worse they spend HOURS each day talking about how much they hate this person, every little thing the person does is blown out of propositon and often twisted to justify their warped and illogical hate. Why spend so much time being negative and talking about someone who you don't like? Wouldn't it be better to spend more time talking about the person you do like. And it's often the same cluster of people who spend their days spewing hate and negativity, again why?

I used to love this forum and have read it since the very early BB's – but each year it's the same old same. The worst year for me was the Makosi year, some of the things I read on hear were completely shocking. It hasn't reached that level this year, but some people do need to take a good look at themselves and ask why they feel the need or enjoy spending so much of their time posting negative and sometime ignorant things.

But on the upside there are also plenty of people who post some really insightful and thought provoking observations. It's just a shame that a cluster often over shadow those people by posting the same bile on multiple threads time and time again. It makes no sense to me.
Wee Tinkers
25-07-2013
I think the nasty turn here might reflect the change in the show itself. The show is about manfactoring conflict & drama and we are often just lapping that up, quick to turn on HMs who have been revealed as slighting our favourite. Because bb have included it in their storyboard (after stirring the pot) we run with it. I wonder if it was a more 'gentle', slow-burning production would we be less forceful in our posts.

I dont know, I'm not here very long so i don't know what it was like in the 'olden days' :-p. Mind you, can't imagine it was a bed of roses during the Ais V Nikki debacle either!


Edit- i also think the prevalence of social networking fuels it. A lot of feeding off one another. And when you see 'hate, hate, hate' and 'creepy, creepy, creepy' bandied about in huge numbers it really highlights how cruel it can be.
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